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| FoShogun | Discussion Insanity/Mental Affliction as Zombism Source | 18 | May 10 2012, 5:30 AM EDT by IamSlowRide | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 9 2010, 2:09 AM EST
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First off, let me say hello to everyone here at ZSDW. I am new to the site but no stranger to Zombie theorizing. I was perusing the current discussion on Necro-Biology mostly because many of my previous 'non-assumptions' about Zeds had led me to carefully decide that making any predetermination about 'Necro-Biology would be a bad idea.
Now I suppose we could debate all day about whether or not making those assumptions about what a Zed is 'likely' to be like, scientifically speaking. But I thought, rather than do that why not offer an alternative idea that may be just as plausible and see if I can convince a few of you to consider this. So, here we go: Can I ask a question? Has anyone here seen Pontypool? It's a great Zed movie and I wouldn't want to spoil it too much but suffice it to say the real 'infection' is a mental affliction. So how about the idea that the Zed apocalypse will be one where an instigator i.e. a nerve agent, corporatel or militarily designed neurotransmitter/synaptic blocker reduces Humans to basic primary mental functions such as a 'eat for nourishment instinct' and also, stimulates high level agression functions in the brain. This is as plausible as I want to make it, the point isn't to fully flesh out this idea. Supposing this is the case, then this would be a low level type of outbreak where reanimated corpses wouldn't really exist, and killing a 'Zed' would be as simple as killing a human (biologically speaking). So what? Well, I would like to ask a couple of questions now that pertain to this example. What ways can you think of identifying these types of Zeds? Is it moral or ethical to kill this type of Zombie? How, if at all, would this change your survival plan?
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| trophykiller | how will you combat zanimals? (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 284 | Apr 30 2012, 6:29 AM EDT by nissassa | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 2 2010, 3:34 AM EDT
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So, you may have seen an earlier post of mine where i pointed out zombie animals(zanimals) would be a pain in the ass.
So, if my instinct(i guess that's what you would call it) is, ounce again, correct how would you deal with them? One that i'm realy concerned about is the bats. Imagine fighting something that small... that FLIES. another to be worried about are the aquatic mammals. they are underwater, after all, and VERY large. And the one that will have you crapping your pants: bears. i'm not sure how many of you realize this, but the best way to survive a bear attack(ounce its already attacking you) is to make it seem like you're not worth it. But this won't work after z-day, the bears will just keep coming until you're a zombie or it's dead. bad news. so what will you do?(feel free to give examples for all mammals)
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| StrykerPez | Real-World Zombie Biology (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 512 | Apr 19 2012, 8:05 PM EDT by Kalthurin | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 8 2009, 2:58 PM EDT
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This thread is here for all of us to contribute INTELLIGENTLY and come to a basic conclusion as to what would be the REAL WORLD causes and symptoms of being infected with Virus Z. I plan to eventually make this into a well put together page.
With the large variety of fictional zombies out there, (slow, fast, dead, undead, alive, smart, dumb, trainable, friendly, violent, mutated, radioactive, instant, delayed, etc) I find it very hard to say which ones are "right" and which ones are "wrong." Furthermore, with the advances in the sciences and medicine, along with humanity's drive for the better cure or the better weapon, we will eventually create zombies. And I'm not talking movie zombies. Call me nuts, but I think that it is all too possible for something to go wrong and the world to end up infected. That being said, I typically try to find the most likely scenario that would realistically produce what we like to call zombies. For example, I discount the notion that they eat brains or are slow and uncoordinated. The brain is one of the more well-protected organs in the body. There are far easier ways to get nutrition, and for an outbreak to be truly effective, the zombie would have to be a perfectly formed vicious predator, not a mindless, shuffling corpse that wants brains. So. Lets look at everything here like Darwinists: discount the ideas that would make for an inefficient predator, support the ideas that would lead to a zombie's success, throw away anything based in the realm of magic and fancy, and when we're done we will have the "perfect" zombie.
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| Skyler95 | Infection VS. Resurrection | 1 | Apr 6 2012, 9:00 PM EDT by Skyler95 | ||||
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Thread started: Apr 6 2012, 8:59 PM EDT
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Although there probably is a thread discussing this topic, I thought that I might take a crack at it, seeing as how I didn't find any.
------ Infection: Rabies for humans. We're talking about a widespread, most likely airborne pathogen that gets into your body and "Infects" you, causing you to lose everything that was once you, all morality and will-power, making you go rabid, craving human flesh or just developing a taste for psychotic behavior. If you're bitten, the bacteria is transferred via saliva to your body, infecting you as well. This doesn't automatically make you a slow, lumbering Romero zombie though. And there's no guarantee that it doesn't either, but for arguments sake, let's say it doesn't. As much as I hate bring a video game in the discussion, I'm going to do it. Think of 'Left 4 Dead'. Those enemies are referred to as zombies, but run fast and aren't too friendly. I'd probably say that these are the traits that an "Infected" person would inherit. I'd like to imagine that zombies won't be able to run, wouldn't you? ------
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| trophykiller | what is your version of z-day? (page: 1 2 3) | 49 | Apr 3 2012, 6:48 PM EDT by petranko | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 2 2010, 12:08 PM EDT
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So, as we all know, many people(including yours truly) have their own ideas as to what Z-day will be like, and I'm just wondering, what's yours?
Mine is a very sophisticated bioweapon that has an incubation time of any where between 20 seconds to the infected being able to overcome it(though this leaves them drained and exhausted) dependent on many variables(willpower, where there got bit, how much infected fluid actually got in, ect.). The weapon also infects all mammals. The infected form interspecies packs of no more than 20 creatures, though they may combine packs for short periods of time. The infected can learn, communicate, and even teach. Over time, shadow memories may start to shine through, starting with things they did countless times a day(things that are now instinct to you, like walking), then things they did often enough to do it in autopilot(going to walmart, talking(though this is mostly random swear words at first), DRIVING(Though not very well, they can drive. And yes, they carpool), and after that important memories like someone close to you dying at a very young age. Over time, their sentence structures can become very advanced, and they can even manipulate people by sending them on guilt trips. However, they will not pretend to be uninfected. The infected individual is fully concious, and can think normally, yet as no control over their body and is forced to watch as their body attacks other survivors. True torture. The reason it was designed like this was so that a cure would be possible. Yes, a cure, I know, strange concept.
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| metalhead'96 | Bite treatmenat | 19 | Mar 30 2012, 10:10 AM EDT by PedroAsani | ||||
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Thread started: Jun 30 2011, 5:46 PM EDT
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Okay in all zombie movies a bite equals infection. But the comic series the walking dead they have success with cutting the affected area off, does anyone think this would work or do we kill them/let them die? Do we risk mutilation and agonizing pain or let them stay until turned and tap then, or do we shoot-on-sight-of-bite?
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| JugHead421 | Length Of the Zombie's "life" (page: 1 2) | 25 | Mar 30 2012, 7:20 AM EDT by PedroAsani | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 29 2010, 11:43 PM EST
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Ok, So here is the question.
If a zombie is a reanimated human corpse or a decaying human body, how long will a zombie live before its body rots to the point of collapse? In theory a zombie would only be dangerous for a week, maybe two at the most before it decays and is no longer capable of standing, unless there is a Supernatural Evil Force behind the Zombie uprising the Apocalypse would likely only last a month or two at the most depending howevedr on the readiness of the AZDF(Anti Zombie Defense Forces). Any Thoughts?
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| daviiddd | Zombies- Fast or slow? | 7 | Mar 30 2012, 2:23 AM EDT by TreeLegs | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 2 2011, 12:07 PM EDT
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From different films we have seen different styles of zombies ranging from the fast & rather atheltic to frial & slow... what do you people believe & why?
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| Rocker.09 | Zombie Types (page: 1 2 3) | 46 | Feb 17 2012, 4:35 PM EST by legokung | ||||
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Thread started: Jan 11 2010, 10:09 AM EST
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Ya know, I don't get it. We are preparing for a zombie outbreak, and yet we don't even know how zombies are going to ACT, let alone where they are gonna come from! what are the different types of zombies! That's what I'd like to know. Rock it out!
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| Lizzrd | zombie appetite | 9 | Feb 1 2012, 3:52 PM EST by mumatil | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 15 2011, 1:01 AM EDT
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Ok, this is a dumb question. But what happens when a zombie gets full? I understand they have an uncontrollable urge to eat and most likely when their stomach is full they will just keep eating. But in theory, if a zombie could ingest so much its literally falling out of their mouths, what happens after that? The digestive system wouldn't be operational, so a zombie pit stop isn't an option.
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| Rick-ZDO | Just an evolutionary step away? | 3 | Oct 31 2011, 9:00 PM EDT by RageisReal | ||||
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Thread started: Apr 8 2011, 4:36 PM EDT
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http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/antibiotic-superbugs-crkp-mrsa-risk
Its not the Z virus yet but how many more twists would have to take to make that leap? Lets have a vague list of events for a quick scenario. lets say a new bacteria made the leap from animal to person. People being treated for it don't take all the meds for it so it doesn't go away completely and develops the ability to withstand antibiotics. So now the meds we have are useless and it infects a host that allows the bacteria to evolve again causing it to effect the brain. Effectively creating ragers. Could something along those lines happen?
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| Andre_lobo | Zombie Blood | 2 | Oct 28 2011, 1:44 PM EDT by Frag-12 | ||||
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Thread started: Oct 11 2011, 11:03 PM EDT
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Considering the high consumption of protein and the little consumption of water, the blood of a Z woul most probably be thik and dark. That would demand a lot of efford from the heart to pump it, but it would work as a "tire sealant" for wounds: coagulating fast and with minimal loss. Maybe that is one of the reasons why it is so hard to kill the without destroying the brain. Any thoughts?
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| metalhead'96 | Non-Lethal Takedown? | 3 | Aug 24 2011, 10:58 PM EDT by daman2011 | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 1 2011, 2:53 AM EDT
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Most assume zombies hunt by scent/sight. That being said, would pepper spray in mass quantities affect the ways zombies ability to chase/attack?
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| ChordsFreak | Killing a zombie | 7 | Jul 25 2011, 7:03 AM EDT by PedroAsani | ||||
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Thread started: Jul 7 2011, 9:53 AM EDT
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I am familliar that seveere brain damage is the best option to kill anything, but one thought crossed my mind. Why can't I kill a zombie by let's say shooting it in the heart at the earliest stages of infection? I do understand that at some point the undead will evolve and the fact that they lack a heart won't stop them, but in the earliest stages, when they have a body anatomy very similliar to our own, why does everyone say that massive bloodloss in a zombies body won't kill it.
All organs need blood to flow through them to get all the necesities to function properly. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, I am no doctor but am using basic knowledge of a human body. Thanks (Please consider that this question is linked with the most basic case-scenario, not an advanced accelerative-mutating virus, and please forgive my english)
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| trophykiller | Wolff's law. (page: 1 2) | 24 | Jun 20 2011, 2:48 PM EDT by Carnack | ||||
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Thread started: Jun 19 2011, 6:31 AM EDT
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So, I've been seeing a lot of people(not just on this site) say that because they saw [insert weapon] do [insert injury] to a pig carcass, that means the EXACT same effect will happen to a person. What they don't realize, is just how much weaker the pig is than a man.
You see, there's a little thing called Wolff's Law that dictates that a person's bones that recieve more pressure get stronger. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff%27s_law Now, of course, that doesn't only apply to bones. In fact, the most used example of this is muscles. When you work out, the burning feeling you get is your muscle tissue being destroyed, so it can then rebuild itself stronger. Farmers, believe it or not, actually try to prevent wolff's law from taking place, because then all the nutrients that would've made for more meat go into the bones. They even do this with the meat, in order to prevent it from being to tough. So, next time you hear some mall ninja ramble on about how his $20 dollar katana will slice through 4 people because he saw it on deadliest warrior, tell him what's what before he gets himself eviscerated by undead hordes. Disclaimer: TK is not an expert on this subject, but rather a half-sane teenager who studies anatomy WAY too much. Copyright 2011-2012 Trophykiller Industries.
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| Pwned9080 | Reality. (page: 1 2) | 26 | May 13 2011, 3:52 AM EDT by FrankLeeDeRainged | ||||
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Thread started: May 12 2011, 3:48 PM EDT
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I've been doing some calculations of an entirely human virus overcoming a city. And I just don't see it happening, at least here in the US, just about everyone has a gun and people will quickly learn that a bite is equivalent to a zombie.
So the only way a zombie virus could successfully stay alive in a single city, let alone travel to another city. Would be something along the lines of, * A long to very long gestation time. * An animal helping spread it(Rats, mice, birds). * Or being airborne. * Food or water contamination. * Even an STI(STD) would be more effective than a bite(As long as they don't show signs immediately). Now, I'm sure there are other ways it could spread and essentially overcome a human population. But without some "special weapon" a zombie virus spread by bite just wouldn't be viable. Thoughts? Criticisms? EDIT: And this isn't even taking into account military or police.
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| SovietPrince | Energy Consumption of the Undead (page: 1 2) | 26 | Apr 25 2011, 9:30 PM EDT by chitoryu12 | ||||
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Thread started: Mar 31 2011, 10:03 PM EDT
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okay, kudos to Saint357. for giving me this thought. I don't believe its been addressed before.. to be honest.. I mean, in one way or another it has, but not like this..
So, He argued that if the zombie virus/parasite/etc. utilized 100% of its hosts abilities, it would easily wear out the host.. aka muscular breakdown. I'm long past the dead coming back to life.. It is interesting, but, well, let me just shoot my idea, and add any questions or views later. The body is like a reactor. Reactors need fuel. I doubt feeding on human flesh will give you that. Granted, there is the possibility that the virus could cause the production of vitamin D or the melanin in your skin(reaction to the sun) to be a sort of solar power plant, much like photosynthesis. But, it is my view and understanding that a host would ultimately rot away and well, consume itself(fat, carbohyrates) without the replenishing of its current fuel source. So, how exactly would these zombies be pounding on my steel doors until they give way, especially if the virus would overwork the body? There are physcial limits, even to mindless husks.
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| trophykiller | zombie animals 10x greater threat than humans (page: 1 2 3 4) | 72 | Apr 18 2011, 3:31 AM EDT by TheRoamingGnome | ||||
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Thread started: Aug 27 2010, 6:43 AM EDT
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in all the zombie movies, books, ect. out there, only a relatively small portion have the animals get infected, but an even smaller portion pays attention to them at all beyond a couple dogs.
however, i get the feeling(and when i get these types of feelings, they're always right and have even saved my life a few times) that when the z-virus hits, all creatures in the mammal family will be vulnerable(for those of you who are like "not a big deal", learn what kind of animals are in the mammal family, then go check your pants because you probably just crapped yourself.) zombie dogs and wolves have an acute sence of smell that they can track you down with, zombie rodents can easily infiltrate regular defences, zombie bats... fly and will be a pain in the @ss, zombie dolphins and whales will spread it to all four corners of the earth, and then*gulp* dare i say it... zombie bears!(self explanitory) as you can tell, zombie humans, while still very dangerous, will be only a small problem compared to the animals. also, i know alot of you are wondering how the z-virus will go international, but after reading this, you should ask yourself how it couldn't.
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| GhostPride | Zombie Archetypes | 0 | Feb 26 2011, 4:56 AM EST by GhostPride | ||||
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Thread started: Feb 26 2011, 4:56 AM EST
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I posted this quite a while ago but I think it ended up in the wrong place and no one replied to it.
Anyway, what zombie types can you think of? Everyone can say one and no more. Feel free to criticise each others but keep arguments sensible and non trollish. Also if you can say what would cause the zombie's actions and/or abilities that would be great! One last thing, no shambler or rage. Everyone already knows about them. |
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| tao70 | Mortals (page: 1 2) | 27 | Feb 21 2011, 3:26 AM EST by redcomrad | ||||
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Thread started: Aug 29 2010, 1:08 PM EDT
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ZOMBIES AREN"T GOING TO LIVE FOR EVER!!!!
In my last post, we all agreed that zombies are a disease, so the host would harbor the disease and it it multiply on the host. The host is only an infected human, they would die after 1-10 years (depends how good at survival they are at) The dead host would still harbor the disease. The point is zombies don't live forever.
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