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Q. The world has gone to the zedheads, what will become of the internet?
A. whatever we do with it.
Do any of the members of this Wiki have any internet equipment (could you make your own network to cover about 50 square miles or larger)? What will happen to all of the knowledge that is stored here when there is no more internet? If there is any way that a person (or group of persons) could get a large database up and running when the zombies attack and then transmit it over any large area on the common internet frequencys (or what ever they are, I am not tech-savvy in this area) WITH OUT NEEDING A PASSWORD!!! (TO KEEP THIS INFORMATION ALIVE WE WILL NEED AS MANY PEOPLE STUDYING IT AS POSSIBLE!) that would be very usefull.
We would only need information on how to make and procure (and similar) stuff for living and coming back to our current tech level within a couple of decades (dont try saving MMORPG's and other things like that, they wont serve much use when the zeds are knocking).
if anyone has any comments, please put them on a thread below or just add stuff to this page, try to be serious.
Cylon1994
I also do not have much experience in this field but I can offer some info. First off many people think of the internet as this invisible world. It's actually many computers. Take this Wiki for example. Wetpaint (The people responsible for this Wiki's ability to be created) probably owns some computers or storage units underground. When you add something to the wiki your computer sends the data to those computers "Wetpaint" owns. There will be 2 issues with keeping the internet up. The first is that when the power goes out so will the storage units and computers and this means that they won't be accessible. Assuming you turn the power back on you will then have to find a way for YOU to connect to the server. Via Wifi (Wireless Fidelity), Cable (Comcast, Verizon ETC), or Satellite. The satellites will probably fall from the sky within the first week to a few months and then you won't have that and then the cables underground will start to fall apart (When you lose cable internet someone usually comes to fix it but in an undead world they won't) so they will stay broken. And Wifi is kinda the same as cable. It only works if your within 30-40 feet of a router and the router needs to be on and connected to a computer that can send data packets back and forth.
In simple terms you will be better off giving your friends the "Zombie Survival Guide" then trying to turn your computer on.
Andy: Provided satalites are still in service, you could build a wireless network to bounce off of those. Putting a sat in orbit's actually not that hard, it's just expensive now becasue of all the buracricy; If your attitutude is simply "Get it done," you can ignore the red tape and put the pod in space at about 1/100th the "list price."
Tebben: This brings up a good point. If we could still have access to sufficient electricity, why not at least try to establish a Post Z-Day Intranet. This site offers a system for establishing a "wireless mesh network" using their long range ethernet bridges. These bridges have a range of ~50 miles (80 km). If everyone added one of these to their fortifications, we could attempt to form our own Z-net. Yes, this would be very unlikely, but if we're talking about really trying to stay connected, it's worth considering.
BigBDave: There won't be power for internet, phones, and etc.. Who is going to run the power plants.
BanditJack: This is one area were I can rightfully claim I know something about it. First off, a wireless network, with today's technology, will not go further than a few hundred feet (this was at the Defcon hacker convention, obstruction free) with one router. Second, wireless internet connections are sketchy. They fade in and out for all kinds of reasons. It is much more advisable to use the wired connections already in place. With no(living)body around, you can plug in to any phone/cable line and be connected. Powering your computer should allow you to connect to another person jacked into the network with a powered computer (in theory, however, there is no medium for the two to interact; no go-between servers)
An intranet, however, is easy. Please see exhibit A.

Andy REDDSON:
I submit to you that internet-equipped remote satellite trucks could keep the internet running at at least 9Ø% efficiency, even without satellites to bounce signals off of. One need only to redirect the signals from one truck to another (or, preferably, the dishes de-installed from the trucks and installed on towers, giving them 1,ØØØ% greater range). Keep in mind that all satellites are at LEAST 5Ø miles from the dish (the edge of the atmosphere), so they have at least that much range.
What parts of the vast information out there is salvaged will depend on what you can recover, or save beforehand. For example, I have saved on a stand-alone unit many pages of this site. If you recover that computer, you’re welcome to the pages (but only if you share with all).
Rebuilding the internet will like as not happen the same way it was originally built- One page and one image at a time, though now mostly focused on survival, less on commerce (mostly of a questionable legality or morality, and much of it both).
Quickrace89: All things on the internet are stored on computers - servers - and when you go to a website, you're sending a request for information to a server, and the server gives it to you. There's two main ways of sending this data - satellites, where the satellite gets the request and forwards it to the server, and cable, where it heads down the wire to the server. Zombies like chewing on cables, so I'm going to go with satellites, at least until they all fall down. The cables may very well work, but they're going to have to be secured from mischievous skin jobs. I personally own two servers that I built myself (one 147GB 15kRPM and one 2TB 7.5kRPM), and probably have the parts to build a third. I've backed up some of this wiki (the most important bits IMO) and I plan to back it all up. If at all possible, I WILL be running these servers once I get power up after Z-Day, via satellite.
A. whatever we do with it.
Do any of the members of this Wiki have any internet equipment (could you make your own network to cover about 50 square miles or larger)? What will happen to all of the knowledge that is stored here when there is no more internet? If there is any way that a person (or group of persons) could get a large database up and running when the zombies attack and then transmit it over any large area on the common internet frequencys (or what ever they are, I am not tech-savvy in this area) WITH OUT NEEDING A PASSWORD!!! (TO KEEP THIS INFORMATION ALIVE WE WILL NEED AS MANY PEOPLE STUDYING IT AS POSSIBLE!) that would be very usefull.
We would only need information on how to make and procure (and similar) stuff for living and coming back to our current tech level within a couple of decades (dont try saving MMORPG's and other things like that, they wont serve much use when the zeds are knocking).
if anyone has any comments, please put them on a thread below or just add stuff to this page, try to be serious.
Cylon1994
I also do not have much experience in this field but I can offer some info. First off many people think of the internet as this invisible world. It's actually many computers. Take this Wiki for example. Wetpaint (The people responsible for this Wiki's ability to be created) probably owns some computers or storage units underground. When you add something to the wiki your computer sends the data to those computers "Wetpaint" owns. There will be 2 issues with keeping the internet up. The first is that when the power goes out so will the storage units and computers and this means that they won't be accessible. Assuming you turn the power back on you will then have to find a way for YOU to connect to the server. Via Wifi (Wireless Fidelity), Cable (Comcast, Verizon ETC), or Satellite. The satellites will probably fall from the sky within the first week to a few months and then you won't have that and then the cables underground will start to fall apart (When you lose cable internet someone usually comes to fix it but in an undead world they won't) so they will stay broken. And Wifi is kinda the same as cable. It only works if your within 30-40 feet of a router and the router needs to be on and connected to a computer that can send data packets back and forth.
In simple terms you will be better off giving your friends the "Zombie Survival Guide" then trying to turn your computer on.
Andy: Provided satalites are still in service, you could build a wireless network to bounce off of those. Putting a sat in orbit's actually not that hard, it's just expensive now becasue of all the buracricy; If your attitutude is simply "Get it done," you can ignore the red tape and put the pod in space at about 1/100th the "list price."
Tebben: This brings up a good point. If we could still have access to sufficient electricity, why not at least try to establish a Post Z-Day Intranet. This site offers a system for establishing a "wireless mesh network" using their long range ethernet bridges. These bridges have a range of ~50 miles (80 km). If everyone added one of these to their fortifications, we could attempt to form our own Z-net. Yes, this would be very unlikely, but if we're talking about really trying to stay connected, it's worth considering.
BigBDave: There won't be power for internet, phones, and etc.. Who is going to run the power plants.
BanditJack: This is one area were I can rightfully claim I know something about it. First off, a wireless network, with today's technology, will not go further than a few hundred feet (this was at the Defcon hacker convention, obstruction free) with one router. Second, wireless internet connections are sketchy. They fade in and out for all kinds of reasons. It is much more advisable to use the wired connections already in place. With no(living)body around, you can plug in to any phone/cable line and be connected. Powering your computer should allow you to connect to another person jacked into the network with a powered computer (in theory, however, there is no medium for the two to interact; no go-between servers)
An intranet, however, is easy. Please see exhibit A.
Andy REDDSON:
I submit to you that internet-equipped remote satellite trucks could keep the internet running at at least 9Ø% efficiency, even without satellites to bounce signals off of. One need only to redirect the signals from one truck to another (or, preferably, the dishes de-installed from the trucks and installed on towers, giving them 1,ØØØ% greater range). Keep in mind that all satellites are at LEAST 5Ø miles from the dish (the edge of the atmosphere), so they have at least that much range.
What parts of the vast information out there is salvaged will depend on what you can recover, or save beforehand. For example, I have saved on a stand-alone unit many pages of this site. If you recover that computer, you’re welcome to the pages (but only if you share with all).
Rebuilding the internet will like as not happen the same way it was originally built- One page and one image at a time, though now mostly focused on survival, less on commerce (mostly of a questionable legality or morality, and much of it both).
Quickrace89: All things on the internet are stored on computers - servers - and when you go to a website, you're sending a request for information to a server, and the server gives it to you. There's two main ways of sending this data - satellites, where the satellite gets the request and forwards it to the server, and cable, where it heads down the wire to the server. Zombies like chewing on cables, so I'm going to go with satellites, at least until they all fall down. The cables may very well work, but they're going to have to be secured from mischievous skin jobs. I personally own two servers that I built myself (one 147GB 15kRPM and one 2TB 7.5kRPM), and probably have the parts to build a third. I've backed up some of this wiki (the most important bits IMO) and I plan to back it all up. If at all possible, I WILL be running these servers once I get power up after Z-Day, via satellite.
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The internet would surely fall within the first few weeks/months, the real need is for people to obtain Shortwave or HAM radios for long distance communication to the other Living colonies around the world, A Shortwave Radio can (at the right time of day) travel half-way around the world!
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