Q. The world has gone to the zedheads, what will become of the Internet?A. whatever we do with it.
Do any of the members of this Wiki have any Internet equipment (could you make your own network to cover about 50 square miles or larger)? What will happen to all of the knowledge that is stored here when there is no more Internet? If there is any way that a person (or group of persons) could get a large database up and running when the zombies attack and then transmit it over any large area on the common Internet frequencies (or what ever they are, I am not tech-savvy in this area) WITH OUT NEEDING A PASSWORD!!! (TO KEEP THIS INFORMATION ALIVE WE WILL NEED AS MANY PEOPLE STUDYING IT AS POSSIBLE!) that would be very usefull.
We would only need information on how to make and procure (and similar) stuff for living and coming back to our current tech level within a couple of decades (don't try saving MMORPG's and other things like that, they wont serve much use when the zeds are knocking).
if anyone has any comments, please put them on a thread below or just add stuff to this page, try to be serious.
Cylon1994
I also do not have much experience in this field but I can offer some info. First off many people think of the Internet as this invisible world. It's actually many computers. Take this Wiki for example. Wetpaint (The people responsible for this Wiki's ability to be created) probably owns some computers or storage units underground. When you add something to the wiki your computer sends the data to those computers "Wetpaint" owns. There will be 2 issues with keeping the Internet up. The first is that when the power goes out so will the storage units and computers and this means that they won't be accessible. Assuming you turn the power back on you will then have to find a way for YOU to connect to the server. Via Wifi (Wireless Fidelity), Cable (Comcast, Verizon ETC), or Satellite. The satellites will probably fall from the sky within the first week to a few months and then you won't have that and then the cables underground will start to fall apart (When you lose cable Internet someone usually comes to fix it but in an undead world they won't) so they will stay broken. And Wifi is kinda the same as cable. It only works if your within 30-40 feet of a router and the router needs to be on and connected to a computer that can send data packets back and forth.
In simple terms you will be better off giving your friends the "Zombie Survival Guide" then trying to turn your computer on.
Andy: Provided satellites are still in service, you could build a wireless network to bounce off of those. Putting a sat in orbit's actually not that hard, it's just expensive now because of all the bureaucracy; If your attitude is simply "Get it done," you can ignore the red tape and put the pod in space at about 1/100th the "list price."
Tebben: This brings up a good point. If we could still have access to sufficient electricity, why not at least try to establish a Post Z-Day Intranet. This site offers a system for establishing a "wireless mesh network" using their long range Ethernet bridges. These bridges have a range of ~50 miles (80 km). If everyone added one of these to their fortifications, we could attempt to form our own Z-net. Yes, this would be very unlikely, but if we're talking about really trying to stay connected, it's worth considering.
BigBDave: There won't be power for Internet, phones, and etc..
Who is going to run the power plants.
BanditJack: This is one area were I can rightfully claim I know something about it. First off, a wireless network, with today's technology, will not go further than a few hundred feet (this was at the Defcon hacker convention, obstruction free) with one router. Second, wireless Internet connections are sketchy. They fade in and out for all kinds of reasons. It is much more advisable to use the wired connections already in place. With no(living)body around, you can plug in to any phone/cable line and be connected. Powering your computer should allow you to connect to another person jacked into the network with a powered computer (in theory, however, there is no medium for the two to interact; no go-between servers)
An intranet, however, is easy. Please see exhibit A.
Andy REDDSON:I submit to you that
Internet-equipped remote satellite trucks could keep the Internet running at at least 9Ø% efficiency, even without satellites to bounce signals off of. One need only to redirect the signals from one truck to another (or, preferably, the dishes de-installed from the trucks and installed on towers, giving them 1,ØØØ% greater range). Keep in mind that all satellites are at LEAST 5Ø miles from the dish (the edge of the atmosphere), so they have at least that much range.
What parts of the vast information out there is salvaged will depend on what you can recover, or save beforehand. For example, I have saved on a stand-alone unit many pages of this site. If you recover that computer, you’re welcome to the pages (but only if you share with all).
Rebuilding the Internet will like as not happen the same way it was originally built- One page and one image at a time, though now mostly focused on survival, less on commerce (mostly of a questionable legality or morality, and much of it both).
3dcheesenips: I was researching this for hours and came up with a solution. This kind of problem needs professionals (Though I'm sure that we have many people here that can help too :] ) . First off, we need to know the area in advance. EX: We choose a spot in a mountain or other secluded area from zacks. First off, multiple powerful generators and solar powered blablabla. Stuff that will work during the war and beyond. The generators are for the beginning of the war, when the site will encounter so much traffic, the wiki'll prob be shut down! We also need them because, well, for this:
It's possible to cover 20 miles with wireless if we need to. But fortunately, we require about 1000 feet of it, so that's about 5 high powered wireless hotspots, as the good ones go up to 200 feet, but i recommend to get HIGH quality ones, as the zeds will probably chew through them on their first raid :) . In the future, anyone who lives in Nevada or somewhere else were lots of military bases are, and i know this is wrong, but when it's abandoned during the war or at the very beginning of it, it would be THE BEST if someone could take a wireless hotspot thingy from there, as those can go, well REALLY FAR. We're talking 600ft+ at some points! . The power generator is needed to power the routers/hotspots. Read Moptophaha's (below) article, because he has some great ideas that you could incorporate into the base. This is a company that can do what we want, as they make 20 mile hotspots for mines. The company's called
Glentel.
I also think that we should have a donate button for big projects in the near future, and that we should write a book. If we could have a user and judges vote (like wetpaint) to choose the best articles and topics, we should put it into a book, since laptops will be hard to carry when your running from zeds. I could ask one of my family members who wrote a book on which company we should use.
Quickrace89: All things on the Internet are stored on computers - servers - and when you go to a website, you're sending a request for information to a server, and the server gives it to you. There's two main ways of sending this data - satellites, where the satellite gets the request and forwards it to the server, and cable, where it heads down the wire to the server. Zombies like chewing on cables, so I'm going to go with satellites, at least until they all fall down. The cables may very well work, but they're going to have to be secured from mischievous skin jobs. I personally own two servers that I built myself (one 147GB 15kRPM and one 2TB 7.5kRPM), and probably have the parts to build a third. I've backed up some of this wiki (the most important bits IMO) and I plan to back it all up. If at all possible, I WILL be running these servers once I get power up after Z-Day, via satellite.
SuperSoldierRCPmy high school has many wireless networks but I'm going to have to military trained IT super firewall it and only people of importance or banks store ect will have then after i get that set up ill try to steal a truck like Andy said i know we have a couple on base. 1 for my main base the second for my other colony and the 3 will go with the troops(mainly just sit on a hill or Recon, stats, and planning an attack, that sorta thing
Quickrace I've done the same backed up most the sever weapons, peoples locks, farming and what know great minds think like lol. PS if you haven't back this sever up u might want to
Moptophaha
I think that setting up a network is a great idea. However, an Internet would be too difficult to set up and maintain, especially if the survivors are initially quite spread-out. I think that if everyone who sets up a base installs a wireless router and signal amplifier, powered by a generator, which is in turn powered by humans (I'm no expert, but for lack of a better analogy, you ride a bike with one wheel, turning a turbine which generates electricity), then communication would be possible between bases. Perhaps if the outbreak lasts years, then the survivors could consider setting up a more permanent and secure network, but I believe that wireless technology would be sufficient, at least initially, for base communications.
DevilNuts: The power is going to be out, the gas pumps are not going to be running. Take the illustration above, replace the computers and cable with two cans and a string. That is all the comm you will need with the next guy over. Riding bikes will not generate enough power to run a laptop and router, and honestly, what can you possibly need to send over to the next building that you can't just yell out the window? You guy's aren't going to be playing Call of Duty.
Xenoshunta818: There are other methods than riding a bike to power a generator!
it is easy to buy a cheap petrol generator from Mitre10, or Bunnings. Petrol may be a problem, but it isn't hard to siphon plenty of fuel into a few drums in a short time. There is also the noise problem. Anybody with a basement will be fine, but if not, it is possible to make a muffler which will reduce the noise level, and to soundproof the specific room of the generator. Yelling out the window might aggravate the Zeds...
DevilNuts: Gas generators give off carbon monoxide. If you completely soundproof the room, you will die from the poisonous gas. Also, gas goes bad after about a year (my timeline may be a little off, but gasoline does not last indefinitely).
Xenoshunta818: There would still be a way to soundproof a room and filter gas, surely! Otherwise all those hearing test people would die! If gas goes off in a single year, that means nobody will be able to drive after one year of apocalyptic hell, unless they make their own petrol. is their any way to increase the standard life of petroleum? If it was sealed in an air tight container would it take less time for it to go bad?
Sadakado: If I could control a tower of some sort, I may be able to rig it (or have someone with a lot more expertise) to rig the tower so it can send/receive wireless signals.
Laptops from all-round would be able to communicate (provided they have power).
Dalsworth: The chances are that the satellites will stay in space, because they're designed that way. So we will have satellite Internet. It'll probably be slow and sporadic. Most cables would probably rot/get chewed on. So it's use satellites [expensive], or make towers. Powering them indefinitely would be extremely hard, even in a non-zombie world.
WheelerKid:
If generating power is a concern,
look into more than just kinetic or petrol generators
if you have made some elaborate base, why not through some solar panels on your roof?
(or steel it off your now dead neighbor's house)
or use kinetic but on a larger scale
(Windmill/turbines)
or if you have water source(running water)
water wheel/ water turbine
plus in a complex you could rig like 20 bikes to a generator
and mandate physical exercise from your co-survivors
it'll keep em strong and supply you with power
DevilNuts: Assuming you have a good power source, you will need to make contact in person first with anyone you wish to connect with. Your home network uses a class C IP address that is never seen nor recognized by the outside world. If you are going to be connecting a bunch of class C home network addresses, you need to make sure you and the other participants are on the same sub-nets, or communication will be impossible and the network cards will not see each other.
Just make sure you have someone who knows how to network.
Yoyo20k: I am semi experienced in the computers field and you people don't realize something, satellites are run by people and don't work by themselves. It's not as easy as bam connected, there is a request made by the satellite to the main hub to allow your internet. If nobody there is allowing you (most likely at the point of an apocalypse there will be no power) it won't grant you access to use it's functions. Unless you have your own satellite to launch, good luck. Our best bet would be stripping power lines and putting cables on there, even at that point, you need a crap load of cables and power. If I can i'll make a basic diagram of how a satellite Internet access works.
NOTE: Just for the record, satellite waves are 1,000 times stronger when sent then when they actually reach the surface.
Lenin89:
Yoyo20k is totally right, we can´t rely in the satellite technology... maybe some work sometime long but it wouldn´t hold for long! It´s more important to bring up a special communication system - maybe is NERD always needed in a team (but that´s not only what I´m ... ;DDD but I´ve learned IT-Specialist with some cisco certifications on a financial institute) ;) but anyway, here my 2 cent:
wrt54 gl + hooked up with a inverted satellite dish or an can (or both) can provide a wlan network for a huge area, which gives us some more possibilities not only a way of communicating with other (e.g. modern cellphone can do a sip call in a network... and getting a server running ain´t that hard - I got one as backup on my eee 701 running and some more demons ... ;D )
these can be used to provide a network, also we should never secure these networks (i mean wpa wep keys etc), so we can use "auto ap" on the wrt54gl to freaking make a growing network out of the base station (its so easy, just trust me I´m willing to post a technology part/how to later on and add some more things)!
The good thing about the wrt54 gl is that it can be used easily with a battery!!!
So you all maybe think - hey why should we use a wireless network we got radio to communicate!? It´s easy: wireless network cameras especially with motion detection (if the cam got an vlc takeable stream you can use the vlc player to do the motion detection, making it easy to watch out) they provide security etc... also a wireless rover with a wrt54gl is possible, spying on our undead enemies... hmm rss feeds on display can inform a huge part of a city... also streaming things like TV etc. there are nearly endless things...!
But all needs power...! Just to be honest, in the beginning power isn't a problem, but later on when plants automatically shut down.... and some more later on we have some ways to get our asses power ;)
IngerAlHaosului:
I don't think that the internet will be a priority for most survivors(survive, get food) , communication will be word of mouth radio at best. Maybe after the zombie fret is over but even then i still believe that its improbable that any one will have the resources to make a wan let alone the internet. I believe that it will take centuries if not more for society to get back to a 1960 level of technology, i am not talking of just using the stuff available i am talking making new stuff new computers, new cars, new oil rigs and coal mines, new power plants, etc.
DeacanWell, there will no longer be an internet. Sorry. I will attempt to explain why the internet will cease to function. The internet, as you understand it, is a collection of thousands of server farms, each hosting website domains. With power stations across the world going dark, these server farms will also cease to work. What this will be like is when you type in a website, and it can't find one. This means that everything from google to ZSDW will go offline.The concept that you wish that you are refering to is called an intranet. What you will need to do is set up a server farm. From there, you can establish an interface, which isn't truely that difficult, and set up your own little version of the internet. Setting up an intranet is a very useful tool that you can utilize, for not only reseaching practices, but also for social purposes. All of this can be wireless, though that could lead to leaks in security. Linking up all the computers through hardlines is a little more time consuming, but much more secure. To power all this, you can use solar generators. Other means of generating electicity can also easily be utilized.