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woody100Sep 13 2008, 2:28 PM EDT
unless its a full length japanse katana made from carbon steel and you can prove that, chuck it.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 13 2008, 8:48 PM EDT
"unless its a full length japanse katana made from carbon steel and you can prove that, chuck it."Remember, go with what you have, not what you want...Unless you already have a katana fitting your description, then it's all goody goody for you.
Everyone else, If you don't have anything better to use, then use it...Some people aren't rich and can afford such nice pieces so make it hapen with what you have.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 13 2008, 10:18 PM EDT
"If a katana's the only weap to hand, then you're better off comitting Seppuku."Well, that too...Only if there's too many of them to flee; if you can run away, start hoofing it like yesterday!!!
Against unarmed / unarmored humans then it's a good bit of kit.
comonsense
Sep 13 2008, 10:19 PM EDT
. . . katanas are something used to cut off people's heads, however it dulls over time, i just have to say, if you get one cool, but don't use it unless you are desperate, reallll desperate
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 13 2008, 10:34 PM EDT
". . . katanas are something used to cut off people's heads, however it dulls over time, i just have to say, if you get one cool, but don't use it unless you are desperate, reallll desperate"I'll take the crowbar before a katana...A crowbar can be used so I can get away from them by prying a door or manhole open so I can hide, but the Leechman's hiding in the sewers along with the giant centipede...Not fun.
comonsense
Sep 13 2008, 10:41 PM EDT
"I'll take the crowbar before a katana...A crowbar can be used so I can get away from them by prying a door or manhole open so I can hide, but the Leechman's hiding in the sewers along with the giant centipede...Not fun."... ? what's the leadman? and i ment by if it's the only weapon you have, of course the crowbar is reallllyyyyyyyyy usefull im just saying that the katana can be used if you need too
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 13 2008, 10:51 PM EDT
"... ? what's the leadman? and i ment by if it's the only weapon you have, of course the crowbar is reallllyyyyyyyyy usefull im just saying that the katana can be used if you need too"He's from a Resident Evil game along with the centipede...I'll pm you on that later.
That's true...It all depends on a person's needs..
comonsense
Sep 13 2008, 10:59 PM EDT
cool and yeah thats also true
byates
Sep 13 2008, 11:34 PM EDT
Can your katana pass this test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpPxC6zEgRo
Or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrSYQLgR8Y
Or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldQ4fcDfspw
one last one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ3-qF4Aq-4
Or would you even dare try? If you are unwilling to do things like this in practice, that will carry over into real life and you will hesitate at the wrong time.
HeavenlySword
Sep 14 2008, 12:24 AM EDT
I just tested my katana again. It passed all these tests. It is now nicked in 4 places. The tip is also slightly deformed (on the last test I made an incorrect stab)
But this is my training katana, and it is built more massively so it will require more skill and power to use. My normal use katana (in event of zday, it will be outdoors primary melee weapon) would be slightly set from the step on test. My other katanas I will leave in our vehicle, just like our .50 sniper rifles and most of the ammunition.
byates
Sep 14 2008, 12:45 AM EDT
"I My normal use katana (in event of zday, it will be outdoors primary melee weapon) would be slightly set from the step on test. "I would be worried about a blade with that little spring to it. The standard for a master knife maker is a 90 degree bend, I would not expect less than 10 degrees to deform any usable blade.
HeavenlySword
Sep 14 2008, 3:47 AM EDT
"I would be worried about a blade with that little spring to it. The standard for a master knife maker is a 90 degree bend, I would not expect less than 10 degrees to deform any usable blade."I'm just being paranoid with my current expensive tool. Maybe it won't be set. But until I can get one by Paul Chen or Howard Clark, I'm not even going to cut anything with it.
I know a L6 Tool Steel custom from Howard Clark can be bent to 160 (it takes 2 men) degrees without a set, but that costs enought to almost buy a semiauto .50
Also, my training katana is also scapel sharp, capable of heavy duty use should I need to use it for killing, but its less efficient due to higher weight.
ALMostFoul
Sep 14 2008, 3:50 AM EDT
GOD DAMN KATANAS, AGAIN!
woody100
Sep 14 2008, 3:55 AM EDT
nah i dont coz im not gonnna get a one that may or may not fly off the handle when i swing it.
byates
Sep 14 2008, 11:33 AM EDT
"I'm just being paranoid with my current expensive tool. Maybe it won't be set. But until I can get one by Paul Chen or Howard Clark, I'm not even going to cut anything with it.Check out the reviews here
"
http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/authentic-japanese-swords.html
BTW, I will sound like I am putting the katana down, but I do own two, along with other large balded weapons and many knives. Some people just go overboard talking them up, I try to balance things out.
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 16 2008, 11:20 PM EDT
The Katana is a weapon that at the time it was used, and for what it was used for is fantastic. However i think that movies and anime have overperpetuated it's usefulness in real-world situations, it takes skill and technique to sucessfully decapitate a human with a sword, and a large number of techniques using that style of sword focus on the vitals of a body, not on instant decapitation. it also takes a good quality sword to perform a decaptiation in a single stroke. while you can purchase a sword of that quality for as little as $200, there are more economical tools one can have on hand that would do just as well. i'd take a $30 cold steel kukri machete before i'd buy spew out $300 for a katana i'd never use.
european designs are more sturdy anyway.
alicestar
Sep 16 2008, 11:47 PM EDT
please people, use a Katana, theirs not enough room at the ZSDW to house all of you and i would hate to have to start kicking people out. YOUR DEATH IS OUR VICTORY!!! thank you
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 16 2008, 11:53 PM EDT
rofl i love it.
comonsense
Sep 17 2008, 12:21 AM EDT
"Give the boy his due, he's going down FIGHTING!"i agree partialy but he has a .50 cal rifle
comonsense
Sep 17 2008, 12:25 AM EDT
once again use it if you need to or just run away simple
HeavenlySword
Sep 17 2008, 1:41 AM EDT
Serbu Arms Semiautomatic BFG 50A- Capacity 10 rounds. Cycle Rate- under 100 ms (Very high). Weight- 29 pounds (Ridiculous). Reliability- Very high.
Legality, of all components, and 10 rounds Magazines- Legal in all 49 sane states (So far). Compatibility with BORS and Zeiss SAM computer-assisted targeting systems- Yes.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 17 2008, 2:57 AM EDT
"Serbu Arms Semiautomatic BFG 50A- Capacity 10 rounds. Cycle Rate- under 100 ms (Very high). Weight- 29 pounds (Ridiculous). Reliability- Very high.How much did your fancy rifle cost you?
Legality, of all components, and 10 rounds Magazines- Legal in all 49 sane states (So far). Compatibility with BORS and Zeiss SAM computer-assisted targeting systems- Yes."
A bazillion dollars?
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 17 2008, 1:10 PM EDT
"How much did your fancy rifle cost you?its about $5000, anybody who would attempt to carry a .50 cal as a defense weapon is zombie bait. Argue whatever you want, the .50 was designed as a a long range weapon against lightly armored targets. its heavy, its designed for two man sniper/spotter tatics, the ammo is heavy, and no matter what you say, you aren't going to be picking zombies off from 2000 yards out.
A bazillion dollars?"
the thread is talking about the practicality of katanas as a self defense weapon against the undead, not what weapons we'd carry given the choice.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 17 2008, 1:27 PM EDT
"its about $5000, anybody who would attempt to carry a .50 cal as a defense weapon is zombie bait. Argue whatever you want, the .50 was designed as a a long range weapon against lightly armored targets. its heavy, its designed for two man sniper/spotter tatics, the ammo is heavy, and no matter what you say, you aren't going to be picking zombies off from 2000 yards out.Naw, I thought it had to do with how I look better with a high 'n tight haircut *Sarcasm ends here*
the thread is talking about the practicality of katanas as a self defense weapon against the undead, not what weapons we'd carry given the choice."
I know...I just had to ask.
If the Katana the only thing available, I'll take it; I'd suck with it at first until I got the hang of it's basic usage since it seems to require a different set of skills to use than let's say, a falchion which I do know how to use devestatingly well >:)
geenius3ab
Sep 17 2008, 3:24 PM EDT
Katana can be better than an any gun in the world, and can also be useless like an bazooka in the hands of an child....If your experienced than the edge won't get dull easily and can last real long...In the hands of an beginner it might break after 30 zombies.....Katanas are silent and won't attract the attention of zombies and in the right hands an katana in the hands of an expert could kill an zombie in an blink of an eye (Seriously i really mean it.) ...Don't know why people don't think katanas (Of coarse those 30$ katanas will break easily..But those japanese sword making masters could easily last for years.) are good.....Those people who can't use katanas and haven't used one are all ignorant and cannot accept the fact that katanas can be the most deadly weapons in the world.......
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 17 2008, 4:16 PM EDT
sorry green, i was saying that to heavenly sword, not to you, yours is a valid point in examining the cost of a weapon.
geenius, it is foolhardy at best to say that katanas are the most deadly weapons in the world. firearms are the deadliest weapons in the world simply because: they've killed the most peple, other than that chemical weapons are, but those are a tad impractical.
alicestar
Sep 17 2008, 5:15 PM EDT
actually, religion is the deadliest weapon ever and has killed more people than guns or blades combined
byates
Sep 17 2008, 6:30 PM EDT
"Katana can be better than an any gun in the world, and can also be useless like an bazooka in the hands of an child....If your experienced than the edge won't get dull easily and can last real long...In the hands of an beginner it might break after 30 zombies.....Katanas are silent and won't attract the attention of zombies and in the right hands an katana in the hands of an expert could kill an zombie in an blink of an eye (Seriously i really mean it.) ...Don't know why people don't think katanas (Of coarse those 30$ katanas will break easily..But those japanese sword making masters could easily last for years.) are good.....Those people who can't use katanas and haven't used one are all ignorant and cannot accept the fact that katanas can be the most deadly weapons in the world......."WOW, impressive, you and I could stand at opposite ends of a football stadium, you with your katana and me with my rifle and you could take me out? Or, did you mean if the man with the gun is incompetent, you could might be able to deal with them? Check your history, the gun made the katana obsolete in Japan. Not the modern cartridge firing gun, but the old, old matchlock gun. Katana's are good, when used within their limits. A katana will never be more deadly than willful ignorance.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 17 2008, 7:39 PM EDT
"sorry green, i was saying that to heavenly sword, not to you, yours is a valid point in examining the cost of a weapon.Oh, you're fine, I thought you were HeavenlySword there for a hot second...My apologies...By the way, guns, explosives and NBC warfare are currently the deadliest things available...
geenius, it is foolhardy at best to say that katanas are the most deadly weapons in the world. firearms are the deadliest weapons in the world simply because: they've killed the most peple, other than that chemical weapons are, but those are a tad impractical."
geenius, They can be very deadly, but most people don't and will not have the proper skills to make them so before they break from misuse....Also, you're misusing the term ignorant, thus making your claim null and void...I'm sorry if I prefer the Gladius, the Claymore, the Cutlass and the Falchion over the Scimitar, the Tanto, the Wakizashi and the Katana...
byates: I remember watching a special on that...The troops with guns that used the volley method slaughtered those without guns and those that shot all nilly-willy....
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 17 2008, 7:41 PM EDT
"actually, religion is the deadliest weapon ever and has killed more people than guns or blades combined "Well, you're right...However, it's employed the use of guns, blades, nooses, stakes and countless other weapons in its Name...
comonsense
Sep 17 2008, 9:15 PM EDT
you know that in england, alongggggg time ago the officers used pikes (i think) instead of guns (muskets) and thats how they would dissipline their soldiers correct me if i am wrong, so katana can be a symbolic items if you know what i am saying
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 17 2008, 9:48 PM EDT
"you know that in england, alongggggg time ago the officers used pikes (i think) instead of guns (muskets) and thats how they would dissipline their soldiers correct me if i am wrong, so katana can be a symbolic items if you know what i am saying"symbolism doesn't mean shit to the undead.
3DayAsylum
Sep 17 2008, 10:02 PM EDT
Eh, I like my Gerber...
http://www.gerber-tools.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Blunt-Nose-black-07520.htm
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 17 2008, 10:07 PM EDT
"symbolism doesn't mean shit to the undead."Akin to acts of kindness, rage, fear, happiness, sadness...None of those will affect them, unless the Skin-jobs are just savage humans that look dead...Then in rare instances could symbolism work, especially if a certain individual repeatedly slashes several of them with a katana, they'll be more wary of that person, or if someone kills a lot of them with a gun they'll be wary of that person too, more so when they're armed....
If they have any life in them, they will know fear, anger, sadness, happiness, but they may not be able to display it the same way a normal person would because of the infection killing all their higher thought abilities...I'll personally have more difficulty killing these types as they aren't truly dead and *I'm not known for a malicious incline, but I'll send them my prayers with a loaded M9.*
*Line from the poem 'Dozer' by Matt Lewinski*
Back to the subject...
HeavenlySword
Sep 18 2008, 12:55 AM EDT
"Oh, you're fine, I thought you were HeavenlySword there for a hot second...My apologies...By the way, guns, explosives and NBC warfare are currently the deadliest things available...I do not reccomend having a Katana as a sole weapon. I do not reccomend having only melee weaponry. I do not reccoment having melee weaponry if you had to choose only one weapon (stipulating you have sufficient ammunition, of course)
geenius, They can be very deadly, but most people don't and will not have the proper skills to make them so before they break from misuse....Also, you're misusing the term ignorant, thus making your claim null and void...I'm sorry if I prefer the Gladius, the Claymore, the Cutlass and the Falchion over the Scimitar, the Tanto, the Wakizashi and the Katana...
byates: I remember watching a special on that...The troops with guns that used the volley method slaughtered those without guns and those that shot all nilly-willy...."
Let me get this straight. If only 1 weapon, M4. Stock will survive major bashing, very sturdy, accurate, AND very reliable. If 2 weapons, get a non-ammunition using weapon plus a rifle of your liking.
My katana saves me bullets against a single, or 10 Zs. Against a horde, its flamer time (now that I have finally done the required parts inventory) .
Offtopic, does anyone here want to buy a flamer? Or want the designs? This iteration of the design gives greater safety at a higher cost, but is lighter due to things such as aviation grade alumminum. I am not sure what napalm mixture will give the most range for it yet, does anyone here know where to buy benzene?
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 18 2008, 1:20 AM EDT
"I do not reccomend having a Katana as a sole weapon. I do not reccomend having only melee weaponry. I do not reccoment having melee weaponry if you had to choose only one weapon (stipulating you have sufficient ammunition, of course)OK, you cleared that up:)
Let me get this straight. If only 1 weapon, M4. Stock will survive major bashing, very sturdy, accurate, AND very reliable. If 2 weapons, get a non-ammunition using weapon plus a rifle of your liking.
My katana saves me bullets against a single, or 10 Zs. Against a horde, its flamer time (now that I have finally done the required parts inventory) .
Offtopic, does anyone here want to buy a flamer? Or want the designs? This iteration of the design gives greater safety at a higher cost, but is lighter due to things such as aviation grade alumminum. I am not sure what napalm mixture will give the most range for it yet, does anyone here know where to buy benzene?"
They'd better not be Condemned's schematics or that's just cheating...XP
HeavenlySword
Sep 18 2008, 1:26 AM EDT
who is condemned?
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 18 2008, 1:31 AM EDT
"who is condemned?"It's a videogame...They have a bona fide schematics set for a home-made flame-thrower that you can study and copy...Probably a dud design, but worth a try nonetheless.
geenius3ab
Sep 18 2008, 3:09 AM EDT
"WOW, impressive, you and I could stand at opposite ends of a football stadium, you with your katana and me with my rifle and you could take me out? Or, did you mean if the man with the gun is incompetent, you could might be able to deal with them? Check your history, the gun made the katana obsolete in Japan. Not the modern cartridge firing gun, but the old, old matchlock gun. Katana's are good, when used within their limits. A katana will never be more deadly than willful ignorance."Do ya wanna say that zombies can fire guns??...Im really skilled at using an katana (As i have been saying in my previous posts.) ...Of coarse i won't go to an gun fight with an freaking katana (People say that the best samurais could see the bullets leaving from the gun..But it' just some rumor, although the best samurais who survived some of the wars had to be able to see SOMETHING cause how the hell else would they survive some wars against guns only with their swords...) but were up against zombies not freaking each other....
geenius3ab
Sep 18 2008, 3:16 AM EDT
"I do not reccomend having a Katana as a sole weapon. I do not reccomend having only melee weaponry. I do not reccoment having melee weaponry if you had to choose only one weapon (stipulating you have sufficient ammunition, of course)Hey have said here somewhere before that i after i see an zombie outbreak going on outside the first place where i will head is the gun shop, i wont get myself rifles but 4 pistols and some ammo will do good......
Let me get this straight. If only 1 weapon, M4. Stock will survive major bashing, very sturdy, accurate, AND very reliable. If 2 weapons, get a non-ammunition using weapon plus a rifle of your liking.
My katana saves me bullets against a single, or 10 Zs. Against a horde, its flamer time (now that I have finally done the required parts inventory) .
Offtopic, does anyone here want to buy a flamer? Or want the designs? This iteration of the design gives greater safety at a higher cost, but is lighter due to things such as aviation grade alumminum. I am not sure what napalm mixture will give the most range for it yet, does anyone here know where to buy benzene?"
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 18 2008, 8:58 AM EDT
"Hey have said here somewhere before that i after i see an zombie outbreak going on outside the first place where i will head is the gun shop, i wont get myself rifles but 4 pistols and some ammo will do good......"Why 4 when ome primary and a backup will do?
I'm sure you have your reasons O_o
byates
Sep 18 2008, 10:20 AM EDT
"Do ya wanna say that zombies can fire guns??...Im really skilled at using an katana (As i have been saying in my previous posts.) ...Of coarse i won't go to an gun fight with an freaking katana (People say that the best samurais could see the bullets leaving from the gun..But it' just some rumor, although the best samurais who survived some of the wars had to be able to see SOMETHING cause how the hell else would they survive some wars against guns only with their swords...) but were up against zombies not freaking each other...."Well if you want to bet your life on them not being able to use weapons, it is your life. Think Rage zombies, and the possibility that others would be able to use weapons.
I have no doubt that a Samuri could see the bullets coming out of the guns used back then, they were big and slow-moving. And, I am sure that the myths that you so feverently believe say they could have dodged those bullets, on purpose and not just by accident. As far as survival, the Drunkards Walk algorithm could explain that.
geenius3ab
Sep 18 2008, 11:23 AM EDT
Lol even they wouldn't be able to dodge all of em!..If it would be one on one than it would be totally different but if there are bullets coming everywhere it won't matter if you jump away from one bullet if there are bullets everywhere.Of coarse it takes luck to survive in that age but just that you would know samurais weren't as incompetent as you think...
Lol this is just stupid!...You are betting your life on the same thing as me, that the zombies can't use weapons...I mean basically i think your plan is that hiding in an barricaded house will be really safe cause the zombies aren't so strong that they could push it away..But what happens if one of the zombies has an weapon named an BAZOOKA :D:D:D ....I just mean in reality you aren't ready for zombies who can use weapons too, in some point you still think that the zombies are dumb animals in human bodies...
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 18 2008, 2:03 PM EDT
"Lol even they wouldn't be able to dodge all of em!..If it would be one on one than it would be totally different but if there are bullets coming everywhere it won't matter if you jump away from one bullet if there are bullets everywhere.Of coarse it takes luck to survive in that age but just that you would know samurais weren't as incompetent as you think...They aren't skin-jobs then...They're heavily diseased cannibals with weaponry.
Lol this is just stupid!...You are betting your life on the same thing as me, that the zombies can't use weapons...I mean basically i think your plan is that hiding in an barricaded house will be really safe cause the zombies aren't so strong that they could push it away..But what happens if one of the zombies has an weapon named an BAZOOKA :D:D:D ....I just mean in reality you aren't ready for zombies who can use weapons too, in some point you still think that the zombies are dumb animals in human bodies..."
Plan for conventional warfare tactics plus biological warfare at the moment a skin-job 'evolves,' picks up a bazooka and blows byates house to bits and be done with this horridly childish argument!
What does this have to do with a Katana anyways!?! O_o
feralucce
Sep 18 2008, 2:05 PM EDT
WOW, impressive, you and I could stand at opposite ends of a football stadium, you with your katana and me with my rifle and you could take me out? Or, did you mean if the man with the gun is incompetent, you could might be able to deal with them? Check your history, the gun made the katana obsolete in Japan. Not the modern cartridge firing gun, but the old, old matchlock gun. Katana's are good, when used within their limits. A katana will never be more deadly than willful ignorance."
The thing about willful ignorance is this... it is a two edged sword. I agree with you, at 100 yards, a man with a sword is no threat to a trained gun wielder.
You are, however forgetting some important statistics.
1) in most police combats (this includes Nat guard, police, swat and reserves) the average hit rate is estimated as 4.3%. This is from trained individuals aiming for center mass.
2) the FBI, Federal marshals, military and police training teach that a man with a blade is deadly within 30 feet. Pace it out...that is more than you think
but this discussion is forgetting the most important thing.
Even if you have an AK with a double wound drum feed on it, you have 100 bullets. Even with one shot one kill. In a zombie invasion I am willing to bet that there will be a lot more than that and the rest will come running at the sound.
With the sword, it is HARD to cut through bone and destroy the brain.
The perfect defense is to not be there. Flee
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 18 2008, 2:12 PM EDT
"WOW, impressive, you and I could stand at opposite ends of a football stadium, you with your katana and me with my rifle and you could take me out? Or, did you mean if the man with the gun is incompetent, you could might be able to deal with them? Check your history, the gun made the katana obsolete in Japan. Not the modern cartridge firing gun, but the old, old matchlock gun. Katana's are good, when used within their limits. A katana will never be more deadly than willful ignorance."Yeah, that's made the most sense out of all of this...You get props : )
The thing about willful ignorance is this... it is a two edged sword. I agree with you, at 100 yards, a man with a sword is no threat to a trained gun wielder.
You are, however forgetting some important statistics.
1) in most police combats (this includes Nat guard, police, swat and reserves) the average hit rate is estimated as 4.3%. This is from trained individuals aiming for center mass.
2) the FBI, Federal marshals, military and police training teach that a man with a blade is deadly within 30 feet. Pace it out...that is more than you think
but this discussion is forgetting the most important thing.
Even if you have an AK with a double wound drum feed on it, you have 100 bullets. Even with one shot one kill. In a zombie invasion I am willing to bet that there will be a lot more than that and the rest will come running at the sound.
With the sword, it is HARD to cut through bone and destroy the brain.
The perfect defense is to not be there. Flee"
RUN, FORREST, RUN!!!
feralucce
Sep 18 2008, 2:18 PM EDT
Thank you...
addendum: go to your flee market and buy a 4 dollar machete... just as effective and since the blade is not make of a HARD steel, it won't snap when you hit something hard like bone
byates
Sep 18 2008, 3:59 PM EDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sHTJAKN-5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNiX_l-HEGM
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 18 2008, 3:59 PM EDT
i'd still take my spiked ball bat over a blade. i would like to point out what i feel to be a few holes in your earlier statment.
The manuals that teach the 30 foot rule teach it not because its true fact, they teach it people keep their guard up, because its easy to get cocky when you are the one with the gun and he's got the knife. compare how long it takes to dash 30 feet to how long it takes to draw and pop off rounds.
i'd also like to know where you get that 4.3% fact from. because if police officers only landed 4.3% of their rounds i think we'd have alot more dead cops.
you look at any legit knife manual it gives you these three general rules.
1. Don't lead with the knife, keep it close to your side.
2. don't let them know you have it untill you use it.
3. stab their side and back untill they quit moving
no granted, these tactics wouldn't work on a zombie, but the only reason i'd ever use a knife on a zombie is because i have no other option besides my bare hands.
geenius3ab
Sep 18 2008, 4:16 PM EDT
"Thank you...Now we reached the point why some people think that katanas are better than machetes...Katanas have an better edge than machete that means it will cut through things with less force applied, katanas are REALLY flexible (Flexibility is an big plus for an sword..And machetes aren't flexible at all.), and the stabbing abilities of the katana are heavenly compared to an machete (Lol machetes aren't meant for stabbing at all i know.)....For an person who doesn't know anything about sword handling should choose an machete cause machetes are more durable than katanas , but an person with katana handling experience should choose an katana cause if the person knows how to use the katana than they would have to use less force for slicing zombie necks, and the katana won't break too (Katanas durability is really good if it's in the hands of an experienced user...It won't most definately break if handled correct.).....And katanas were made to cut THROUGH humans so to people who made katanas considered bone too (It will cut through bone like a thin stick if sliced straight and with a bit of force.).
addendum: go to your flee market and buy a 4 dollar machete... just as effective and since the blade is not make of a HARD steel, it won't snap when you hit something hard like bone"
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 18 2008, 4:23 PM EDT
for a person that has so much knowledge about swords, you have a limited knowledge about machetes. the traditonal "latin" machete is made to be thin and flexible, so its better suited to cutting thick brush. not to mention, they can be picked up at ANY hardware store. katanas are far from durable blades, durability for swords (to me at least i could be wrong now) generally means that the sword can take a beating, not "make sure you swing me at the correct angle to that bone so i can slice in and not nick my edge, or "make sure that zombie doesn't move too much so i don't snap in two."
feralucce
Sep 18 2008, 5:26 PM EDT
Genius...
They are flexible... they are made from the same steel as leaf springs.
You bring your katana... I'll bring my machete... We'll set up Ballistics gel dummies with bone analogue... we'll see which and who is more effective...
My point is this... a katana was NOT meant to contact another hard surface. The temper line is VERY hard, hence the reason that the edge stays so well... if you contact anything hard, each time you strike, you run the risk of actually shearing the temper line completely off.
My opinions are based on 1) experience as a blacksmith (sca 15 years). 2) a martial artist (15 years). 3) a sword maker and vendor
Now... Let's say you are right and I am wrong on teh basic structure of high carbon steel, tempers, tang and edging... My point is still valid...
1 sword vs 1k zeds = you deadimified with extreme prejudice.
Best defense is to not face them directly. You are not rambo, you are not immune, and even if you are an olympic class athlete, you do not have the endurance to do this hour after hour., day after day.
Keep in mind that the strikes that are considered killing blows on a human will only slow a zed down. Therefore IF you have the training to use the weapon effectively, you will be fighting to overcome trained reflexes... which, without major effort to retrain them (and a facility to do so), you will not be swinging head shots.
This thread is named "be real" for a reason.
Ironically, you never see someone WITH the training to use the weapon arguing it's ability, as they know there is a time and place. The one person I know qualified is also a gun nut, so he's prepared as well.
feralucce
Sep 18 2008, 5:36 PM EDT
Addendum:
4.3% is from national studies presented in the Federal Marshal's combat training courses - not in a manual and video footage to support it
The 30 foot rule has nothing to do with cockiness. It has to do with the fact that, if you are standing fast against that man, you have an adrenal response with GREATLY affects your accuracy. The only way you are not affected thusly is if you have severe mental problems that affect your amigdala and as such you should seek psychiatric help before WWZ breaks out since you will not have a Fight or flight response either and that can and will end your life.
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 18 2008, 5:54 PM EDT
"Addendum:i'm sorry, 30 feet is still a big ass gap,assuming you have a gun drawn and properly held, if you can't hit him, you deserve to get stabbed.
4.3% is from national studies presented in the Federal Marshal's combat training courses - not in a manual and video footage to support it
The 30 foot rule has nothing to do with cockiness. It has to do with the fact that, if you are standing fast against that man, you have an adrenal response with GREATLY affects your accuracy. The only way you are not affected thusly is if you have severe mental problems that affect your amigdala and as such you should seek psychiatric help before WWZ breaks out since you will not have a Fight or flight response either and that can and will end your life. "
the more i think about the 4.3 perfect the more i understand the reasoning 1. it makes people practice harder at the range. 2. it may actually be true considering all the shoot outs police get into.
i'm not talking shoot outs, or barriers, i'm not even talking zombies.
i'm talking two men, one with a sword, and the other one with a pistol. weapons at the ready even a green soldier is gonna plug the guy with the sword, now there are other physics involved, stopping power, momentum. but no matter what gun i'm using if the gun shoots straight, your ass is getting hit plain and simple. this is the last thing i have to say about this katana arguement
there is a reason that the cultures that developed firearms became the ruling bodies of the world. guns are better than swords, history has proven it multiple times over and over far more effectively than i can argue it.
having said that, even with all the guns i wanted, i wouldn't be caught without a melee weapon.
geenius3ab
Sep 18 2008, 6:04 PM EDT
"Genius...Lol no one would be so dumb to attack 1000 zeds head on....With an katana you should be able to take 100 zeds at most (But after that you would be quite tired.)..
They are flexible... they are made from the same steel as leaf springs.
You bring your katana... I'll bring my machete... We'll set up Ballistics gel dummies with bone analogue... we'll see which and who is more effective...
My point is this... a katana was NOT meant to contact another hard surface. The temper line is VERY hard, hence the reason that the edge stays so well... if you contact anything hard, each time you strike, you run the risk of actually shearing the temper line completely off.
My opinions are based on 1) experience as a blacksmith (sca 15 years). 2) a martial artist (15 years). 3) a sword maker and vendor
Now... Let's say you are right and I am wrong on teh basic structure of high carbon steel, tempers, tang and edging... My point is still valid...
1 sword vs 1k zeds = you deadimified with extreme prejudice.
Best defense is to not face them directly. You are not rambo, you are not immune, and even if you are an olympic class athlete, you do not have the endurance to do this hour after hour., day after day.
Keep in mind that the strikes that are considered killing blows on a human will only slow a zed down. Therefore IF you have the training to use the weapon effectively, you will be fighting to overcome trained reflexes... which, without major effort to retrain them (and a facility to do so), you will not be swinging head shots.
This thread is named "be real" for a reason.
Ironically, you never see someone WITH the training to use the weapon arguing it's ability, as they know there is a time and place. The one person I know qualified is also a gun nut, so he's prepared as well. "
ALMostFoul
Sep 18 2008, 6:20 PM EDT
with a 4.3 % hit average, I'm assuming that means the police were being shot at well? And the 30 pace blade danger comes from needing to unholster weapon, aim and fire.
byates
Sep 18 2008, 6:28 PM EDT
"Lol no one would be so dumb to attack 1000 zeds head on....With an katana you should be able to take 100 zeds at most (But after that you would be quite tired.).."Spoken like someone that has never been in a serious fight.
alicestar
Sep 18 2008, 6:45 PM EDT
"Lol no one would be so dumb to attack 1000 zeds head on....With an katana you should be able to take 100 zeds at most (But after that you would be quite tired.).."wow, give talking them to death a try, its about your only chance at survival geenius3ab
alicestar
Sep 18 2008, 7:01 PM EDT
"with a 4.3 % hit average, I'm assuming that means the police were being shot at well? And the 30 pace blade danger comes from needing to unholster weapon, aim and fire. "dont forget you have to first identify the threat.
DaveBall
Sep 18 2008, 8:31 PM EDT
"Lol no one would be so dumb to attack 1000 zeds head on....With an katana you should be able to take 100 zeds at most (But after that you would be quite tired.).."Here you keep saying you have skills with a Katana LoL!!! If you were a new age samarii, you would never say B.S. like that. NOW WE ALL KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!!!
comonsense
Sep 18 2008, 9:32 PM EDT
"symbolism doesn't mean shit to the undead."i ment to your other comrades but yeah i know that
TMacc
Sep 18 2008, 10:07 PM EDT
Wtf, every single time i get an email update for this website some dumbass is off rambling on about katanas and their application. Im gonna just make this short and to the point. #1. Try Tamashigiri Cutting. #2. When you try and finally realize you can't cut through simple mats your anime heroes could annihilate with a flick of the wrist, go cry in a corner. Please people, I know this wiki is about the fictional situation of a zombie apocalypse, but when referencing to actual practices and items... Dont bastardize years of an ancient civilizations art form and military practices. A katana is glorified by pop culture and stories of famous samurai like Musashi. FYI. The majority of records and tales written in reference to Musashi was written BY HIMSELF. Believe me, Im sure at least a couple things are a bit tweaked from what actually happened. In conclusion, go invest in a machete. This is sturdier blade for what your money can buy and for whatever hacking you will do with it.
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 12:49 AM EDT
100??
try 2-5. That's with training... Keep in mind that they don't use tactics and they are NOT afraid...
again I say... get away... only real chance
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 1:04 AM EDT
"100??Yeah, get out of dodge....No Tenchu Assassin garbage, no being Rambo and saving the day....Otherwise you're gonna die; if you have a deathwish, then be my guest and go that route...Otherwise:
try 2-5. That's with training... Keep in mind that they don't use tactics and they are NOT afraid...
again I say... get away... only real chance"
JUST GRAB YOUR SHIT AND FUCKING RUN!!!
geenius3ab
Sep 19 2008, 2:40 AM EDT
"Spoken like someone that has never been in a serious fight. "Lol....Miyamoto Musashi (The best swordsman who ever lived in Japan.) could win against 80 swordsmen from an sword school (All of them were better than just some beginners.) alone...I took it from an HISTORICAL FACT...And zeds are unarmed (And those slow zeds are,,,,Slow...But ragers will be quite difficult to handle.)..
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 3:06 AM EDT
"Lol....Miyamoto Musashi (The best swordsman who ever lived in Japan.) could win against 80 swordsmen from an sword school (All of them were better than just some beginners.) alone...I took it from an HISTORICAL FACT...And zeds are unarmed (And those slow zeds are,,,,Slow...But ragers will be quite difficult to handle.).."But the real question is: Are you Miyamoto Musashi?
NNNOOOOO!!!!! No offense to you, but:
10 run of the mill Resident Evil 1 skin jobs will kill YOU and ANYONE ELSE from today as they will overwhelm you and eat you...Skin-jobs excel at group-based efforts....One human against such groups will certainly perish and join their ranks.
Plus, Miyamoto Musashi would've probably been SMART, called his forces that weren't infected back once he realized he was dealing with foes that turned his men into rotting freaks and FLED so he and his men could decide what to do from there...
geenius3ab
Sep 19 2008, 6:37 AM EDT
"But the real question is: Are you Miyamoto Musashi?Nope thats not true!..The time that Miyamoto took 80 swordsmen head on he was really called an animal, he wouldn't refuse any challenge and he wouldn't care if the enemies would be dead or not ..He really is an guy who didn't use his brains back than (It was few years before he became known as the sword saint)....And Miyamoto took on the 80 men ALONE (No one helped him, there were people attacking him from behind with SWORDS.), he wouldn't care if his men were dead he would kill all of em without an flinch of an eye (I red about his personality and other things from an documentary book.)..
NNNOOOOO!!!!! No offense to you, but:
10 run of the mill Resident Evil 1 skin jobs will kill YOU and ANYONE ELSE from today as they will overwhelm you and eat you...Skin-jobs excel at group-based efforts....One human against such groups will certainly perish and join their ranks.
Plus, Miyamoto Musashi would've probably been SMART, called his forces that weren't infected back once he realized he was dealing with foes that turned his men into rotting freaks and FLED so he and his men could decide what to do from there..."
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 6:41 AM EDT
but you are not Miyamoto Musashi
and again... KILLING BLOWS WITH A KATANA AGAINST A HUMAN ARE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR ZEDS... MOST katana battles resulted in DEATH FROM BLOOD LOSS...
but I would like to reiterate... NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE - YOU ARE NOT MIYAMOTO MUSASHI
Extreme cases do not make good survival advice... There are recorded cases of people immune to aids, don't cound on being immune to the Z virus. There are recorded cases of people having parts of their head blown off with a gun and surviving - don't expect to be one of those. There are cases of people surviving some INCREDIBLE THINGS... BUT if you are stating that YOU are that good... then I would know your name... EVERYONE would know your name... you would frigging famous.
But I don't. Katana = good weapon. Standing and fighting = bad idea. You + katana + standing and fighting = 1 zed dragging a damn katana on the ground.
You are not Ash. Run away.
As it was said in that movie... run, Forest, run.
I will reiterate...not debating the efficacy of a katana... debating it's use in a zombie invasion and the effectiveness of the morons who want to use it.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 6:54 AM EDT
"Nope thats not true!..The time that Miyamoto took 80 swordsmen head on he was really called an animal, he wouldn't refuse any challenge and he wouldn't care if the enemies would be dead or not ..He really is an guy who didn't use his brains back than (It was few years before he became known as the sword saint)....And Miyamoto took on the 80 men ALONE (No one helped him, there were people attacking him from behind with SWORDS.), he wouldn't care if his men were dead he would kill all of em without an flinch of an eye (I red about his personality and other things from an documentary book.).."Well, perhaps you should seek a better role model then....One that's not homicidal crazy.
ferraluce's got it down here...It has nothing to do with a quality Katana itself as much as who's using it....That's where the real quality comes in.
geenius3ab
Sep 19 2008, 6:54 AM EDT
"but you are not Miyamoto MusashiI know im not Miyamoto Musashi lol!...But ya know that 80 thinking people who swing an sword at you and come from the back are certainly harder to kill than 100 zeds....And i have mentioned that i will only attack zeds if there are 20 or less of em, if more than i will most likely retreat or start to shoot em with hand guns...
and again... KILLING BLOWS WITH A KATANA AGAINST A HUMAN ARE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR ZEDS... MOST katana battles resulted in DEATH FROM BLOOD LOSS...
but I would like to reiterate... NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE - YOU ARE NOT MIYAMOTO MUSASHI
Extreme cases do not make good survival advice... There are recorded cases of people immune to aids, don't cound on being immune to the Z virus. There are recorded cases of people having parts of their head blown off with a gun and surviving - don't expect to be one of those. There are cases of people surviving some INCREDIBLE THINGS... BUT if you are stating that YOU are that good... then I would know your name... EVERYONE would know your name... you would frigging famous.
But I don't. Katana = good weapon. Standing and fighting = bad idea. You + katana + standing and fighting = 1 zed dragging a damn katana on the ground.
You are not Ash. Run away.
As it was said in that movie... run, Forest, run.
I will reiterate...not debating the efficacy of a katana... debating it's use in a zombie invasion and the effectiveness of the morons who want to use it. "
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 9:16 AM EDT
but they're not...
I will honor you wiht a head shot when you are turned
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 10:16 AM EDT
"but they're not...Nah, beat him to deanimation with an electrified baton like from Half-Life 2...They actually make those and sell them at the local military surplus store...I plan on purchasing one and getting certification along with pepper-spray/mace and handgun certifications and any other certifications available when I do my State Security Guard training : )
I will honor you wiht a head shot when you are turned"
Geenius: You won't have the certification for your sword though....BWAHAHA!!!
Although I'll highly doubt that anyone's really going to care on Z-day....Go ahead, hack a few skin-jobs up...Nobody's stopping you >:)
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 1:18 PM EDT
Nah... All human life is precious... which is kind of what this is about.
Jannew
Sep 19 2008, 2:37 PM EDT
I have notices that this wiki is full of people who are (more or less) ninjas.
geenius3ab
Sep 19 2008, 2:50 PM EDT
Wait what do you mean by ninjas????...Ninjas don't really have much incommon with katanas....
Jannew
Sep 19 2008, 3:06 PM EDT
Lol i just said- you are a bunch of ninjas here!
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 3:44 PM EDT
"Ninjas don't really have much incommon with katanas"
thank you captain obvious.
Ninja... Samurai... To and katana... same martial art, different sides of the conflict...
What Jannew is saying is that there are a lot of people who OVERESTIMATE their martial prowess and think that they can be morpheus and neo in a zed invasion. These are the same people who think that they will score 95% head shots.
another way to word it is "There seem to be a lot of people on this wiki that think that they have elite skills and will survive...
These are the same people that think the Katana is more than a match for a Master with a rapier...
I am thinking about honoring them with the headshot now... to acknowledge my esteem.
Jannew
Sep 19 2008, 4:06 PM EDT
Yeah. The Little Brucie boys is a clan of its own.
byates
Sep 19 2008, 6:02 PM EDT
I would be willing to bet that every zombie, at least the classical Romero type, will be dead after being attacked with a katana. Of course they were dead before, so it is a safe bet.
Jannew
Sep 19 2008, 6:27 PM EDT
"I would be willing to bet that every zombie, at least the classical Romero type, will be dead after being attacked with a katana. Of course they were dead before, so it is a safe bet."The problem is that you may also be dead... or at least infected.
byates
Sep 19 2008, 6:48 PM EDT
"The problem is that you may also be dead... or at least infected."Not me, I will be moving away from the action, let the "hero" have all the fun.
Jannew
Sep 19 2008, 7:02 PM EDT
I meant the dude who is the hero :).. i myself would be sitting away looking through a sniper scope.
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 19 2008, 7:05 PM EDT
i'd feel a hell of alot safer using melee's against romero types than against the faster moving modern style zombies.
alicestar
Sep 19 2008, 8:05 PM EDT
i don't know, with the Romero zeds they usually grabbed there victims from dark corners from behind where as new age zeds just run at you and are prone to being tripped or busted in the legs by a 2x4. lets face it, neither option is high on my list. ill leave the lone samurai to do his thing while im buggin the fuck out town after all the 30 seconds that he lasts is a head start I wouldn't have otherwise!!
feralucce
Sep 19 2008, 8:29 PM EDT
Max brooks points out that there are times when some may need to be sacrificed to protect the rest. I believe that we have found one of those
I am done with this thread... he's either a) convinced of his superiority, b) mentally handicapped or c) trolling...
either way... a waste
alicestar
Sep 19 2008, 10:01 PM EDT
"Max brooks points out that there are times when some may need to be sacrificed to protect the rest. I believe that we have found one of thosewell put feralucce, but i think ill remain on the thread to keep bashing his delusional ass whenever he decides to come back
I am done with this thread... he's either a) convinced of his superiority, b) mentally handicapped or c) trolling...
either way... a waste
"
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 10:02 PM EDT
"well put feralucce, but i think ill remain on the thread to keep bashing his delusional ass whenever he decides to come back "I will too...
*Throws alicestar an electrified baton for the bashing*
alicestar
Sep 19 2008, 10:11 PM EDT
"I will too...hmm, lightning in a stick.........
*Throws alicestar an electrified baton for the bashing*"
*tests on self*
sweet, im gunna have fun with this
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 19 2008, 10:14 PM EDT
"hmm, lightning in a stick.........Geeinus is screwed... >:)
*tests on self*
sweet, im gunna have fun with this"
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 19 2008, 10:39 PM EDT
i agree there
although it lead to an interesting point.
would stun guns or tazers work on a zed?
it was always my understanding that the electrical impluses interfere with your bodie's own natural ones. causing not only spasms, but pain as well. would it be enough to make a zed start flailing around on the ground?
i've been hit with the capacitor from a disposalbe camera in the calve and it was enough to make my leg go out.
alicestar
Sep 19 2008, 10:58 PM EDT
maybe, ill give the last samurai here one and let him test it though because im not getting that close. sorry ill watch from the rooftops!
brandon_a_boyer
Sep 19 2008, 11:01 PM EDT
they do make those stun shells for the shotguns now, although i can't imagine the range would be better than 50ft.
given the choice i'd probably rather have the 00buck.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 20 2008, 12:06 AM EDT
"they do make those stun shells for the shotguns now, although i can't imagine the range would be better than 50ft.It would work since the body has to have a slight electrical current running in it in order to function...Period. That's why I discredit the idea of dead skinnies, rather, they're infected primal beings, like in 28Days+Weeks later, but I don't think they'll be crack-fiends that can run at a bazillion miles an hour.
given the choice i'd probably rather have the 00buck."
That's why my electrified baton and batteries are going with me on Z-day....No splatter, but still a Skin-job on the ground in convulsions, unable to bite me....If I have to even get that close to one to begin with.
Yeah, if I could find them I'd carry some tazershells too if I wanted to apprehend some people for their gear but not exactly kill them....but in general the 00Buck does the trick....Along with slugs.
Therefore,
I postulate that a shotgun and stun-baton are a much better combo than a pistol and Katana for escape and evasion in an Urban setting and most other CQB settings too >:P
HeavenlySword
Sep 20 2008, 2:38 PM EDT
Who is the last samurai?
Also, genius3ab, if you were ever in a real fight, you would know taking down that many opponents by yourself is about impossible.
To agentgreen: screw that, assault rifle and katana are more complimentary; one takes down opponents at sufficient range, the other allows you to cut down the one or 2 zeds blocking the exit to the alley without making much of a noise.
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 20 2008, 3:39 PM EDT
"Who is the last samurai?*Both of us get into a heated argument and engage each other with our chosen melee weapon, H/S makes some crazy Matrix move off the wall but I parry and shock him though the grip over his full-tang Katana....H/S wakes up in a jail-cell dayspa once again but this time with Geenius, who was defeated in a similar fashion*
Also, genius3ab, if you were ever in a real fight, you would know taking down that many opponents by yourself is about impossible.
To agentgreen: screw that, assault rifle and katana are more complimentary; one takes down opponents at sufficient range, the other allows you to cut down the one or 2 zeds blocking the exit to the alley without making much of a noise."
feralucce
Sep 20 2008, 4:15 PM EDT
Okay..not done with the thread - just with the screaming monkey stick...I mean katana
I do not think that a tazer, stungun or cattle prod would have any real effect. I mean, in dead flesh, a stun gun will cause twitching and apparent animation for a few hours until neuron's degrade bast functioning. But zombies tend to keep coming long into decomposition. Once decomp sets in there are no further response to electrical stimulus. In short, this seems to indicate a motive source OTHER than neural interface- so short (very short) term incapacitation may be possible on fresh ones, but Rots are most likely not infected.
I recommend that you check out the comic series "The Walking Dead." Not only is it an engaging read and a good story, the writer is very well read, has some good thoughts and there are many situations that cover a lot of what we discuss here.
alicestar
Sep 20 2008, 4:31 PM EDT
"Okay..not done with the thread - just with the screaming monkey stick...I mean katanathe human body is 70%water, im sure we can find a way to make electricity work
I do not think that a tazer, stungun or cattle prod would have any real effect. I mean, in dead flesh, a stun gun will cause twitching and apparent animation for a few hours until neuron's degrade bast functioning. But zombies tend to keep coming long into decomposition. Once decomp sets in there are no further response to electrical stimulus. In short, this seems to indicate a motive source OTHER than neural interface- so short (very short) term incapacitation may be possible on fresh ones, but Rots are most likely not infected.
I recommend that you check out the comic series "The Walking Dead." Not only is it an engaging read and a good story, the writer is very well read, has some good thoughts and there are many situations that cover a lot of what we discuss here."
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 20 2008, 5:53 PM EDT
"the human body is 70%water, im sure we can find a way to make electricity work"I agree...The Uber rotted ones wouldn't be too responsive, but responsive enough so they'll get temporarily paralyzed allowing me to curb-stomp it or boot it away from me while it's down....
HeavenlySword
Sep 20 2008, 11:21 PM EDT
"*Both of us get into a heated argument and engage each other with our chosen melee weapon, H/S makes some crazy Matrix move off the wall but I parry and shock him though the grip over his full-tang Katana....H/S wakes up in a jail-cell dayspa once again but this time with Geenius, who was defeated in a similar fashion*"WTF...
As i indicated to you before... If i saw an THINKING opponent, then its going to be the big guns. Really big guns. And lotsa smaller faster shooty guns.
*agent green dodges multiple .50 bullets in matrix-time, but then is wiped out by a hail of .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO. Genius charges and slices up bullets in half mid air, and a few hundred undead along the way, but the sliced up halves still hit him. Both wake up in intensive care facility, and resume fighting each other*
alicestar
Sep 21 2008, 12:33 AM EDT
"WTF...*Alicestar appears out of nowhere like a shadow with guns fires 4 well placed rounds into the four matrix idiots and vanishes without a trace*
As i indicated to you before... If i saw an THINKING opponent, then its going to be the big guns. Really big guns. And lotsa smaller faster shooty guns.
*agent green dodges multiple .50 bullets in matrix-time, but then is wiped out by a hail of .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO. Genius charges and slices up bullets in half mid air, and a few hundred undead along the way, but the sliced up halves still hit him. Both wake up in intensive care facility, and resume fighting each other*"
problem solved, next!
HeavenlySword
Sep 21 2008, 12:42 AM EDT
There's only 3 of us... agent green, me, and genius3ab.
Unless you plan on shooting yourself.
feralucce
Sep 21 2008, 1:26 AM EDT
so... this has gone from a real discussion with some intellectual merit to the online equivalent of the special olympics...
I rest my case though... the people arguing for the sword and standing their ground are now arguing the semantics of matrix like abilities...
you are not neo... you do not know kung fu... and zombies are not a matrix phenomenon...
take the blue pill and wake up
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 21 2008, 3:16 AM EDT
"WTF...Well, I wasn't wiped out, I was rendered unconscious...Thankfully my carbon-fibre armour saved my beautiful complexion >:)
As i indicated to you before... If i saw an THINKING opponent, then its going to be the big guns. Really big guns. And lotsa smaller faster shooty guns.
*agent green dodges multiple .50 bullets in matrix-time, but then is wiped out by a hail of .223/5.56 NATO and .308/7.62 NATO. Genius charges and slices up bullets in half mid air, and a few hundred undead along the way, but the sliced up halves still hit him. Both wake up in intensive care facility, and resume fighting each other*"
ferraluce: Don't dis the Special Olympics; those people [my brother being one of them] have to overcome a lot more than we have to so, let's leave that insult off the table...As you will see, we eventually get back to the topic even without being reminded of what we're supposed to be talking about.
BACK TO THE TOPIC: I mean, we pretty much answered the question...If you have skill, then use it....If you don't and have no other options, take it anyways....If you have other options, go for the one you know best. :)
feralucce
Sep 21 2008, 9:00 AM EDT
I had typed a snarky response... but since this is the special olympics, here's your hug... here's your medal. Let it drop please...
WE've never debated the concept of if you know it, then use it. We were debating that the people that want that damn sword... don't know how to use it. We were debating the concept of standing and fighting.
but hey... you've got mail, Ed...
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 21 2008, 3:00 PM EDT
"I had typed a snarky response... but since this is the special olympics, here's your hug... here's your medal. Let it drop please...Nope nope I won't-Alright, for the sake of peace I will drop it this time.....The idea that arguing online is stupid is 100% correct, but the Special Olympics doesn't involve dumbasses :P
WE've never debated the concept of if you know it, then use it. We were debating that the people that want that damn sword... don't know how to use it. We were debating the concept of standing and fighting.
but hey... you've got mail, Ed..."
Oops, I've been known for making summary projections like that...My bad. But still, that seems like the most logical summary on tnat part of the topic.
The only mail I get are offers from the military, [which I consistently decline] my Outdoorsman magazines and bills....My name isn't Ed either...That's actually the guy down the street that fought in the Korean War that could pound most people on here's scrawny asses into the ground [even mine]...
feralucce
Sep 21 2008, 3:21 PM EDT
Special Ed... crank yankers... "I've got mail."
NM... figured it was the kind of show you watched...
anyway... good luck with your fancy sword...
AgEnT_GrEEn
Sep 21 2008, 3:26 PM EDT
"Special Ed... crank yankers... "I've got mail."Nah, don't watch much TV....You're good though:)
NM... figured it was the kind of show you watched...
anyway... good luck with your fancy sword... "
No Katana for me...Either a machete, a falchion or a cutlass.
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Yesterday, 8:09 PM EST
LET IT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Carnack
Yesterday, 8:16 PM EST
Actually katanas (while cool as hell) are not very practical. First of all you could just get a good machete and shave a couple of pounds from your carry load. Second of all a samurai had speed and flexability as well as the blade. That pack with all that gear will hinder you to the point where a machete would be better.
wasr762
Yesterday, 8:21 PM EST
"Actually katanas (while cool as hell) are not very practical. First of all you could just get a good machete and shave a couple of pounds from your carry load. Second of all a samurai had speed and flexability as well as the blade. That pack with all that gear will hinder you to the point where a machete would be better. "ya that along with that and that it would splatter everywhere. just use a bat or something
KailaKrush
Yesterday, 8:26 PM EST
We do not all gain black belts once z-day comes. How skillfully can you swing a katana at the force needed to sever a head without knocking out one of your team mates?
I'm going to guess not that skillfully.
Stick to a crowbar.
Carnack
Yesterday, 8:36 PM EST
"We do not all gain black belts once z-day comes. How skillfully can you swing a katana at the force needed to sever a head without knocking out one of your team mates?Oh I would go with a blade but forget chopping the head off. Just split the skull.
I'm going to guess not that skillfully.
Stick to a crowbar."
KailaKrush
Yesterday, 8:39 PM EST
"Oh I would go with a blade but forget chopping the head off. Just split the skull."I could just see it going all wrong for me.
Swinging around and then next thing you know I fall off balance and land into the arms of a very hungry zed...
zombehs
Yesterday, 8:41 PM EST
where do u live. If doomsday comes im heading to ur place for swords.
Carnack
Yesterday, 8:58 PM EST
"where do u live. If doomsday comes im heading to ur place for swords."Who? Me?
And Kaila go for a control stroke rather than a power stroke.
KailaKrush
Yesterday, 9:08 PM EST
"Who? Me?THATS WHAT SHE SAID
And Kaila go for a control stroke rather than a power stroke."
Deadwards
Yesterday, 9:28 PM EST
Bah' you guys lack creativity, go out with a crowbar, or make Homer Simpson's defender, the chain, wrapped around a cinder block.
feralucce
Yesterday, 11:10 PM EST
"Bah' you guys lack creativity, go out with a crowbar, or make Homer Simpson's defender, the chain, wrapped around a cinder block."creativity rarely allows you to survive...
Pardon my language... FUCK KATANAS... Seriously... they have no use asside from fighting and you are going to hurt yourself... not to mention that you will break it VERY fast...
A small hand axe... Buy World War Z... make a lobo...
Carnack
Yesterday, 11:36 PM EST
"creativity rarely allows you to survive...Actually the real thing is VERY strong but to the rest of your comment yeah there are better and cheaper and easier to find options.
Pardon my language... FUCK KATANAS... Seriously... they have no use asside from fighting and you are going to hurt yourself... not to mention that you will break it VERY fast...
A small hand axe... Buy World War Z... make a lobo...
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feralucce
2 minutes ago
"Actually the real thing is VERY strong but to the rest of your comment yeah there are better and cheaper and easier to find options."How many people here have actually done live steel combat? I have.
Any sword, without the proper care, will break... FAST... we're talking about an apocalypse here.... MILLIONS of zombies...
and all the people proposing Katanas are kids who watched the matrix. The damn thing is a DUELING WEAPON... it is not made for mass combat. No sword is. The thing is, if you are trained with it, it is one of the ultimate weapons, but for what this about, KATANAS SUCK...
The weapon is amazing... I am not faulting the weapon...I am talking about the wielders... a bunch of kids and paramilitary survivalists that have not spent the years required to master this weapon. Unless you are already a master at something, do not expect to have time to learn it during the apocalypse...
Take a katana... I will kill you myself
GhostToast:
If I HAD to have a katana, I'd make it sephiroth's
