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The Perfect Bug-Out-Bag, From The Ground Up.
by JeffCee edited by Ironhand One of my obsessions is bug out bags and what should go in them. With this in mind, I'd like to figure a generic
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Bug Out Bags (INDEX)
to eject from their aircraft and survive on the ground till rescued. "Bug Out" is a military term where once this order is given, everything in camp must
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Bug Out Bag - is biggest
"Is there some kind of weight ratio that can be used to determine what weight can safely and comfortably be carried by a person? I need this kind of info for myself, and for planning my kid's BOBs." Well it's not just the weight, but where you are carrying it. Two differently strapped rucksacks can make 60 lbs feel like a breeze or a nightmare.
Really, the only way is to load up a bag, adjust the straps until the weight is as comfortable as possible, and then go walking. As for the distance that seems acceptable, that varies between people as well.
I have a few personal tests that I do when sorting out a BOB.
"Sunrise Sunset" Since most people agree that daylight travel is the only safe way, how far can you travel on the longest day of the year, and the shortest? The sunrise-sunset times are 17 hours for longest, and 7 hours 27 minutes for the shortest. This is a comfort and endurance test, done at walking speed.
"Something is digging into me" How much ground can you cover in one hour, at jogging speed? Doing this will make it painfully clear if anything pokes, jabs or rubs. Change the packing order, move straps, use a pair of socks to pad out the shoulders.
"Eject! Eject!" Some people are concerned that the zombies are sprinters. And Raiders are a problem that concern me. Either way, ditching the weight on your back might save your life. So how quickly can you do that? My preference (learned from my diving gear) is to extend the shoulder straps all the way using your thumbs pushing the plastic holders up, and then just pull them outwards, allowing the whole BOB to drop. Takes less than a second once you have rehearsed a few times.
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Nov 5 2009, 7:05 PM EST by
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can I get some input on my bug out bag---be harsh!!!
To gear this up from the ground up, expect to be in $3000 range, but this is the best gear in every category. I'd feel confident trekking 20 miles in a day if the roads were clogged to my base of operations at my parents house. I can give a list of best places/prices to get most of this stuff. Not to mention every bug out bag needs an SAS manual or stored on your iphone as mine is.
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Sacrifices and Survival - working title
this.” Torno explained and showed them. He help up a picture, a smiling woman and two children started out from it, and a Zippo lighter. “The picture
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Dominckmagas' Story
, pulled the pin out of one of the grenades, and placed it grenade on the ground, and the rock on top of the safety lever. He then ran to catch up
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My real, being implemented, world wide Z out break plan
As for the refining of the oil, One of my Bug Out Buddies (we actually have a group of us who are thinking of ways to survive future hurricanes) is a Chemical Engineer who works at one of the large refineries in the Houston area.
He is working with me on setting up a small refining system. (probably with centrifuges, not a cracking tower(too dangerous))
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Apr 23 2010, 9:39 PM EDT by
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build your dream home
I don't know what my surroundings are; you haven't specified. If I am supposed to make up some surroundings, then I would be in the forest; if I have to bug out, I'll stay in the woods. Anywho, I have a fair amount of equipment left; I have been scavenging along the way and even looted a body a few days ago. I am going to climb up a tall tree and tie my tent up it and sleep there for the night, which is what I usually do; they can't reach me up there, and I'm practically invisible to other people. If there aren't any tall enough trees nearby, I'll scout around and find a location that's hidden but easily escapable, and not use my tent – just my sleeping bag, so I can get the heck out quickly if need be.
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Mar 18 2011, 12:19 PM EDT by
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My Survival Plan
I would suggest more prep and not reliance on raiding and taking another persons home.
Here is a plan for a Bug out Bag-
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Perfect+Bug-Out-Bag%2C+From+The+Ground+Up.
Why you must prepare-
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Panic
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Apr 19 2011, 8:42 AM EDT by
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B.O.B food - enough for 72 hours? Really?
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough that I understand the 72 hour rule for getting to a pre-thought out BOL, even though that varies a lot from person to person.
@2wheeledspeed, I have, at a slight push, 6 weeks worth of food for one person in my BOB, and it's not that heavy for me (it's on my video), I could definately walk for several hours straight with it in one go.
It might seem like a lot, but my food supply and everything else is at home, and i fully intend to stay at home. If i bug out, chances are i'd go to a relatives or friends house, and the absolute furthest is around 20 miles away.
Say if there's widespread riots and violence and i wanted to get away for a bit to let it die down, there's plenty of countryside to hold up in near me, and I learnt as a kid how to hide in it. Thats just my situation.
The only issue i have is that so many videos on youtube -and quite a few posts/profiles on this site- all seem to go with the 72 hour rule, and i can't help but feel this is mainly a conformist/trend thing rather than thought-out agreement on *everyones* behalf. Am I making myself coherent?
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May 31 2011, 5:13 PM EDT by
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you pack like a woman
"Spray: If you are seriously telling me that eating carbohydrates is how you keep yourself going while "hardcore" climbing/backpacking I'm going to have to call you out on not doing either of those things. Energy bars are in general a bad idea. Meant more for a power breakfast than real camping. If you want something that will actually keep you going (not to mention aid in repairing your muscles that get damaged by all that exercise) try beef jerky, or dried fruit, or even raw ramen noodles if you seriously need all those carbs." again, loosing the point, were not talking about your main foodstuff, were talking about something to chew on in the maybe 10hrs it takes you to set up shop. beef jerky is another good idea though i dont think id eat it if i knew how long it was sitting in my bug out bag waiting for zday.
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Apr 17 2008, 3:00 PM EDT by
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Non-Essential Comfort Gear
Oh a pillow I forgot that but i suppose i'll use my blanket :)
I do plan on a covered hammock just because it keeps you off the ground protects you from bugs and compacts to something about half the size of a two liter bottle.
Oh did i mention it could be used as a fishing net? So I guess its a multipurpose comfort item :)
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Aug 5 2009, 8:13 PM EDT by
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Anyone else notice....
"If the administration changes, the United States will most likely go to war with Iran, and ammunition prices in bullets of military usefulness will go up.
Gun owners are going to see prices go up either way, in other words. Though I don't see Obama taking the lead on gun control issues, it'll most likely come from Congress and Obama will simply tolerate it. Obama isn't an aggressive president, regardless of conservative propaganda on the matter. He's disappointed much of the left." Even if we go to war in Iran, it would not be a ground campaign for a long time. By the time the shelling and cruise missles were done, the air campaign finished, and the troops got to shooting, a good six months of ramped up production would have taken place.
A war with Iran would more likely up prices as more Americans would feel insecure and want to stock up.
I've not seen the current administration take the lead on anything. Even healthcare was a "I want reform with X, Y, and Z, but I will take any two of the three, you guys in congress work it out."
You always run the risk, however, of a second term president deciding to actually keep some of his promises. There certainly isn't any pressure from the party for him not to burn bridges for a continuation of his party through the current VP.
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Mar 26 2012, 5:51 PM EDT by
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***************'s Survival plan
I'm new, so I do hope I'm doing this right.
Anyhow. my survival plan. Feel free to critisize
I wound up pretty lucky all things considered, I live in a pretty isolated area. The closest town to me is about a 15 minute drive and is almost too small to be called a town, the population is very small. This is the type of place that rolls up the sidewalk after 6pm. Its almost the perfect place backwoods and rural. The population is about 1300. For the whole county it is around 7500. I live in a bend in the river that leaves deep fast flowing water on 3 sides. The bends of the river almost close together (600ft) and make where I live about a 15 acre island. There are only 3 houses on this little pseudo island. My house, my parents house, and a 3rd house that is currently empty, my family owns the whole place.
When Z day comes the plan is to bunker down in my parents house. Its an old bedford stone house, so the walls are thick and strong. Its 2 stories and a basement. I think the best idea is to put everything on the top floor, and destroy the staircase leading up to it, and use a ladder to get up and down. Then block all the doors and windows with the wood from the porches, or from trees. I also plan to cut out the floor in front of each door and window on the ground floor, so any zombie breaking in would just fall into the basement, and be trapped because the stairs down to it will be removed as well, then they can be killed.
As far as food, we have whatever food is combined in our two houses which is a decent amount, since you tend to buy a lot when you don't feel like buying from the local overpriced mom and pop place, and the closest chain place is an hour away. Also we own a few head of cattle, and there would be fishing from the river. Hopefully that would hold us over long enough to plant a large garden. Depending on the time of year their may already be a crop in the field, though it would not be ideal food.
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Apr 12 2011, 8:58 AM EDT by
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Something you wan't but can't find, afford, or build just yet.
One thing that I can't afford yet, is a massive propane tank to use on the generator my parents bought a few months back. I have seen some truly massive ones at some of the chicken houses around here. If I could find one large enough, I could have power for times I really needed it for a very very long time.
I would also like to build some time of system to generate power from the river, If not for power, at least a water wheel and irrigation system.
Lastly, I would love to find some place I could buy a stainless steel canteen the exact size and shape as the us military issue one. I would love to have a stainless canteen that fits in my canteen cup and bag.
Seriously, If anybody could link something like that for me, I would be forever grateful.
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May 17 2011, 5:58 PM EDT by
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What would you do right before SHTF
well seeing as this is just before a complete SHTF/WROL/ collapse/etc.
Screw the fear of being incarcenated. Theres a way to get things in a small town like I'm in.. just march in with rifles, let everybody clear out, and then stock up on any essential things.. and when the blue helmets arrive, well.. they've brought my barricade materials.. and I've always wanted a blue armored roof!
last pragraph was a joke. I'm assuming for the most part I'd be covered up on most things, so i'll say get as much extra ammo, water, etc. Find a nearby freshwatrer stream or lake, and set up a 'mini base' with some trustable people so they can start purifying and filling barrels of the precious liquid.
In the days just before SHTF, I'll contact (if i havent already) my trustable 'allies' and we'll lock down a small section of the community. Once SHTF, we establish a perimeter, and then a buffer around that so the various Designated Marksmen can watch the open ground. There is a warehouse district nearby, perfect staging place. Set up barricades, set up death warnings, etc.
Admit only those who have a skill and are trustable. officers, defecting military units(and their family perhaps), farmers, doctors, and anyone else who is useful. The funny thing is just beyond the warehouse district is alot of arable farmland. Win there eh?
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Sep 21 2010, 10:27 PM EDT by
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extreme weather conditions
I partly agree with Ghostinthedarkness : you can't be prepared for everything. But I think you can acquire survival skills, especially about weather conditions.
I have the chance to travel a lot in my job, and nothing's better than experience. My usual "trick" consists in imitating local people, used to extreme weather conditions since generations.
Exemples :
- 1 month ago in Mali (dry season), there was more than 130° Farenheit. I was wearing long-sleeved shirts and a keffieh (tied up in Bedouin way) and I gave up my walkers (too much heavy) for simple cloth tennis shoes (lighter, and better to feel rocks and stability under your feet).
- last year in Peru, I did like the Quechuan Indians, chewing coca leaves to fight both tireness and "soroche" (altitude disease).
- and so forth...
Imitating local people isn't the only way : a good knowldge in botanics, a medical background, bushcraft experience... Personally, I conceived a Bug Out Bag (always packed!) adaptable to as many conditions as possible. I also conceived a SDC and a Disaster Kit in this way. Maybe they aren't perfect, but I conceived them according to my experience of extreme weather conditions. In fact, they cannot be perfect (you can't anticipate everything), but I do think they can be useful to fight the Z-menace regardless of weather conditions.
Freelancer47: thanks for your newspaper trick, I didn't know it!
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Apr 12 2010, 12:47 AM EDT by
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My Zombie Plans
"Ok heres what you should do, in my house there is only one way upstairs, the steps, so I would barricade the whole first floor, as my first defense. Then get everyone upstairs and destroy the steps so no one will be able to go up or down the steps including zombies. Then I have what you could call a second floor porch, which it to high for a normal person to climb. So on that porch I would have a rope ladder that we can lift up and to if someone needs to get down or up. In my house we only have a small .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun, not much, but we would use it in last defense. Seems like the perfect plan." I've got the perfect stair set-up. In my tiny, two story apartment (single apartment building with a garage and some other storage space underneath), we only have one way in and one way out: the external stairs. The stairs go up to a small landing and form a 90 degree angle toward the door (on the right). We have two windows that flank the stairs, one that is inside the angle formed by the steps and one on the outside the angle, both of which are on the same wall as the door, naturally. The steps are easily defensible from either window. Our steps create a true "killzone." But even as defensible as my apartment is, we aren't going to last long without food, which we don't have a lot of stashed away yet.
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Jan 2 2011, 1:18 PM EST by
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Ironhand's BugOutBag
is easy up with a tree, one string and 4 stakes. Other designs are out there, but the point is - easy and quick. You can also make a ground shelter
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Jun 18 2010, 5:51 PM EDT by John_234
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Parthian Tactics
Hey bud,
"INFECTED" are vulnerable because even though they are dead, they were once human beings.
As reanimates they now operate on a more simple, primordial level. They are not supernatural,they are still a mass of organic matter,take out our legs and we both fall. All they are is a less perfect, less functioning version of us, they operate from deep within the cerebral cortex(brain stem, where our survival instincts reside . Shoot us in the head ,destroy our brain function and we die, shoot them in the head and destroy their brain function, they die too!!
When a live human being is subjected to Mace or pepper spray in our eyes and nose, we are incapacitated not only from our brief lack of sight or our inability to smell, but from the pain involved but the duration is significantly shorter as our body's immune response is to attack the irritant by producing tears in our eyes to flush out the agent and to flush out the "IRRITANT" by increasing the fluid production in our mucous membrane's within our nasal cavity(snot).
Although the "INFECTED" will not have any reaction to the "IRRITANT" as they no longer have functioning pain receptor's , they will still lose their ability to see and smell and therefore lose their ability to be aware of their "PREY but since they were actively engaged in hunting "prey" when they lost their senses, they remain still waiting to re-engage with the hunt, much like we would do if we were on a deer hunt and lost sight of our target, we would remain still trying to re-acquire our target, so lucky for us deer cant use swords or we would be screwed!! In closing, since they cant flush their eyes or nasal cavity, even though they cannot feel any pain, the effect is essentially a blackout of their senses for up to thirty minutes, chop chop!!
Robby
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