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Springatron |
Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 18 2007, 11:41 PM EST I really hated this thing. He seemed very uninformed on the subjects based in reality. Like weapons. Nothing can piss me off more than some one misinforming the masses about possible survival tools and weapons. Now it also seemed jump in tone. Being light hearted and laughable one moment than being completely serious the next. One or the other would have been nice. But here I am criticizing where I have yet to dare to tread. Just for the record I wanted to love this thing, I really did. 3 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you? |
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kamrine kamrine |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 12:02 PM EST you hated the survival guide? how can you hate it? i'm not sure i follow when you say uninformed. can you explain a bit? i'm just not sure i understand your frustration. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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vanrulzz |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 12:21 PM EST I haven't fully read the guide (omgwtfbbqcrazy!) so could you explain exactly what you mean? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 2:22 PM EST I can't speak for Springatron but I found most of the weapons section to be misinforming. 1. He states that a crossbow can put a bolt through a zombie's head at over a quarter of a mile. Thats 440 yards....its hard to get a bullet on a 6x6 target a 440 yards. At most with a really good $600+ xbow you're talking about 60-70 yards on a stationary target. 2. He says xbows are silent...they aren't. They make a fairly loud thunk sound that verges on .22lr volume. 3. He says you can't put a bayonet on an M16 because the rifles so "Frail". Tell that to the 3 preban AR15s I have sitting in my safe with bayonet lugs on them. 4. He states that the M1 carbine is still in production in 2003. They actually stopped producing them in 1945 but continued to use them through Vietnam. They're actually one of the harder C&R rifles to get your hands on for a decent price. The only ones I know of in the market right now is a batch that just got returned from Italy that nobody wants because they're in such crappy condition with a price tag bordering on ridicules. There are also companies that make reproductions but again the prices are nuts for the performance you're going to get out of that rifle. 5. He states that almost all older military rifles were designed for hand to hand combat...not true. He then states that you have to use proper technique in melee combat or you'll just end up breaking the rifle. I find that funny since that also applies to the M16 which he already said can't be used in melee combat. It can be used in melee you just need to use the proper technique. Theres more but im running out of space :) Also his supply lists are very vague and laughable to anybody thats ever been on any kind of extended hike/backpacking trip. Luckily its got "Humor" stamped on the back of it so I went into it expecting to be entertained not informed and in that respect it's a pretty good book. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sandbagger |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 2:28 PM EST If your comparing the subject matter of ZSG with more established survival guides, there is no comparison. Considering Zombie survival is a stand alone subject. If you havn't read "World War Z' , Brooks' followup, you will find how the guide and the book cross index. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sandbagger |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 2:33 PM EST "I can't speak for Springatron but I found most of the weapons section to be misinforming.At least Wulfgar noticed the "humor" stamp on the back cover. I agree with you on the weapons assisment,I would have used the Ruger Mini-14 as an exampl of a perfect fireare for the task, but than again, Brooks is probably not well acquianted with firearms, and their various functions. So we have to give him credit for trying. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 3:34 PM EST err i meant ridiculous when i was talking about the carbine prices....damn spell check :) 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Springatron |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Dec 20 2007, 5:26 PM EST Thanks for stepping in there for me wulfgar. You hit most the points I am adamant about. I realize that it was humorous, it's a zed survival book, I was smiling through 50% of the book. Maybe I built it up too much in my mind and let myself down. Whatever. I thought it was a dry read. I have not read any of his other works I am like eight books into a series right now and haven't gotten around to reading any. Sorry. As for the reasons I disliked the ZSG is some view it as a end all, be all of zombie survival. It's just his poor analogies of weapons and gear really turn me off of the book. I saw it as a misinforming of the masses. Some people haven't had the experience of carrying all that they have to use, eat and drink, some have never had to carry weapons for months at a time, fire them, clean them and rely on them. I guess I'm trying to say that his descriptions of weapons and gear seemed like guesses and rumors. For the most part the false ones. The tactics are okay, flawed though. It wasn't just one thing, it was a combination of many flaws that added up. Misguiding the unknowing completely. Point to add to wulfgar's list. I have had the chance to swing the M16A2 around a little and have had the chance to "Fix bayonets," on a M16A2. It was designed to beak bones a puncture flesh. Pretty most of what he said about the M16 and the AK47 was wrong. Period. The book would have you believing that and assault rifle might cost you your life rather than save it. Best bet people is to experience some long back packing trips and get out to fire different firearms. Find what you are comfortable with a practice. Live out of a hooch for a few weeks and only eat what you can pack or catch... you figure it out. Read an edible plants and animals guide, read some Army/Marine survival guides. They will have packing lists and every thing. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sporezombie sporezombie |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
Apr 13 2008, 4:31 PM EDT I still think the Zombie survival gudie has alot of good information at least it has the biology down and you can use the thinking process to find a good weapon for your self. Plus it gets people out of movie strategies to survive. I for one had a resedent evil strategy till The Guide now i'm constantly re-thinking the idea of survival. Do you find this valuable? |
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alicestar |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 4 2008, 2:07 AM EDT "I still think the Zombie survival gudie has alot of good information at least it has the biology down and you can use the thinking process to find a good weapon for your self. Plus it gets people out of movie strategies to survive. I for one had a resedent evil strategy till The Guide now i'm constantly re-thinking the idea of survival. "at least you guys are looking at the guide objectively. being from my background there is only a handfull of people on earth that I would take any kind of survival advice from and it just so happens max brooks doesnt make it on that list. most of you guys know what your talking about like Springatron and Wulfgar. I would listen to them, for the most part they know how to survive. Do you find this valuable? |
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sporezombie sporezombie |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 20 2008, 2:08 PM EDT "at least you guys are looking at the guide objectively. being from my background there is only a handfull of people on earth that I would take any kind of survival advice from and it just so happens max brooks doesnt make it on that list. most of you guys know what your talking about like Springatron and Wulfgar. I would listen to them, for the most part they know how to survive. "I know they are right about weapons but i already have a good idea for weapon selection and it may have base in the Gudie i have other more established sources to base my decisions. My reply merely meant that the guide does well that it breaks hollywood's far more un-realistic ideas on the subject. I use it as base but others don't in the end both choices look like survival to me. Do you find this valuable? |
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Haloeclipse Haloeclipse |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 20 2008, 3:29 PM EDT i liked the guide, its a good book, but it taught me nothing I didn't already know or expect. And I agreee, so much of the weapons sections were kinda uninformed, but at least he took a stab at it. It was a call to awareness, and thats what the guide should be remembered as. The combined knowledge of this wiki far exceeds the guide, but he helped make people aware, which means lives saved when it finally happens. I forsee a religion with Brooks as its deity, or at least its prophet. "There is no god but Brooks and The guide is his prophet!" ;) j/k Do you find this valuable? |
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sporezombie sporezombie |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 20 2008, 5:13 PM EDT "i liked the guide, its a good book, but it taught me nothing I didn't already know or expect. And I agreee, so much of the weapons sections were kinda uninformed, but at least he took a stab at it.Thank you Haloeclipse that is what i'm getting at and the religion is funny and your probally right Do you find this valuable? |
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ScottishZombieFodder |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 21 2008, 4:00 PM EDT I thought the Survival Guide was a good read i didnt pay much attetion to the firearms section seeing as theres barely any guns in Scotland anyway, the info about defense and offense and where the best areas was quite good i found it to be rather valuable. Do you find this valuable? |
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sporezombie sporezombie |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 21 2008, 4:12 PM EDT Yes, but i think if your in scotland you have a good chance for castle settlements have you read World War Z the follow-up book it's good Do you find this valuable? |
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lordofwar1 |
RE: Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
May 26 2008, 5:45 PM EDT Really, I thought the Guide was great, but I too felt that he had some dated notions as far as weapons go, The man called an M16 a second rate weapon, Now I do prefer the Ak (I keep mine near me at all times) but come on. Other than that, i thought it was a great guide. Do you find this valuable? |
