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Z-ready Z-ready |
.223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jan 21 2008, 12:56 AM EST Why are they all grouped together in one all inclusive category? They are completely different rounds (.22lr v the other two) and I would never refer to an AR-15 as a .22 rifle. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
 wulfgar87 |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jan 21 2008, 2:16 AM EST Because most people don't make the distinction between .22lr and every other .22 caliber cartridges like .223....which is a .22 whether you call it that or not. They just say .22s are under powered and go on their way. The section is called .22 rifles not .22lr rifles so I just through out a bunch of .22 caliber cartridges to get the point across that .22 doesn’t mean .22lr and that all .22s aren't underpowered. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Z-ready Z-ready |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jan 21 2008, 8:10 AM EST I believe that .22 is the accepted term for .22lr, but then again I don't hang around a lot of gun nuts. If you have an issue with that I think changing it to .22lr rifle instead of .22 rifle would be the better solution, because as is it includes too many different cartridges to make a meaningful paragraph(.22 BB, .22CB, .22Short, .22long, .22longrifle, .22WRF, .22WMR, 5.7x28mmFN, .22 Remington Jet, 5.5MM Velo Dog, 5.43 mm Louis Mattis, 5.45mm Soviet, .22-250, .220 Russian, .220 Swift, .224 Weatherby Magnum, .225 Winchester, .218 Bee, .22 Hornet, .223 WSSM, .221 Remington Fireball, .222 Remington, .222 Remington Magnum, 5.56 NATO, .223 Remington, 5.6 x 50 Magnum) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jan 21 2008, 11:11 AM EST Feel free to rewrite it...thats what this sites for. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 alicestar |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 1:37 AM EDT i dont get how any of you are saying a .223 is a .22 you see that little 3 on the end of it? try loading one into the other and tell me how that goes idiot! 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Angry_Ayrab |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 2:31 AM EDT Yeah, its no comparison other than the fact that the diameters are close. The amount of powder behind a centerfire .223 is ridiculous compared to a .22lr. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 2:52 AM EDT yeah but size doesnt say much, weight on the other hand translates into force. the standard .223 JHP uses a 36gr bullet with 1,124lbs of force! the standard .22LR JHP uses a 31gr bullet with 104lbs of force the standard .223 can handle up to a 77gr bullet whereas the .22lr only goes to 40gr. these are numbers off of the manufacturers websites so please dont bother arguing the numbers. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Angry_Ayrab |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 3:01 AM EDT "yeah but size doesnt say much, weight on the other hand translates into force.Alice, your right. But the military uses the standard 55 grain bullet, I am not sure what the ballistics are for it thoug. Personally I would go with a mossberg 590 9-shot with a collapsable stock and ghost ring sights, just cause 12 gauge ammo is everywhere and boomsticks just rock. Do you find this valuable? |
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wulfgar87 |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 10:37 AM EDT "yeah but size doesnt say much, weight on the other hand translates into force.Wow you actually just proved my point...thanks. If you'd bothered to read the section that this thread is referring to you'd know that I never said that .22lr and .223 cartridges were interchangeable (if you think I did please find a quote). The point was that all cartridges that fire a .22 caliber bullet are not under powered and they do fire .22 caliber bullets (break out a caliper if you don't believe me). Also, your comment in an above post about the 3 in .223 having some significant in the diameter of the bullet is void. By that logic the 5.56 NATO would shoot a .218 diameter bullet (it doesn't). Those are just the names of the cartridges if you don't believe me, again get some calipers and measure the diameter of the bullets in the 3 cartridges. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 3:45 PM EDT "Wow you actually just proved my point...thanks.wulf, that comment wasnt pointed at you for once. I wont lie, you do know what your talking about but you gotta lay off the defense, drink some decaf or something! Do you find this valuable? |
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minidude0 minidude0 |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 8 2008, 8:12 PM EDT You call him an idiot? And then you tell him to lay off. a .22lr is along with .223 because they both start with .22 IDIOT IDIOT LOSE NOOB NOOB LOSER IDIOT IDIOT UP YOURS NOOB LOSER IDIOT. That is what you sound like. 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Angry_Ayrab |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 9 2008, 12:19 AM EDT "Wow you actually just proved my point...thanks.Good point wulf, I just pulled out the caliper and to my surprise, my .223 ammunition was .218 in diameter. So we Americans really need to clean up our act and go with the metric system, nice job. In regards to the .308 though, my caliper shows that my round is actually 0.30 diameter which comes out to be 7.62mm. The calipers are very accuarate and it shows that it is exactly the size of the ak round in diameter. Dang, we really need to switch to metric system. I do know that when the rounds say .223 or .308 they produce less pressure than their mil-spec counter parts, so guys make sure you get a gun that says 5.56 and 7.62 and not just the .223 or .308 (in other words, get one with a high pressure mil-spec barrel). Do you find this valuable? |
 klesh |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 9 2008, 7:10 PM EDT "Wow you actually just proved my point...thanks.for once i completely agree with wulfgar with no challenges at all. he is 100%, he knows his .223 as we have discussed it before. all in all the .223 is roughly the size of a .22 so is all the other .22esk bullets that are said. you obviously CANNOT but a .223 into a .22lr becouse of MINISCULE differences in bullet size and LARGE difference in cartridge diameter. i dont know why alicestar is trying to knit-pick his way back into the right. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DEFiANCE665 DEFiANCE665 |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Apr 12 2008, 1:54 AM EDT "yeah but size doesnt say much, weight on the other hand translates into force.sorry to say it, and dont want to argue, but you are wrong... look up the aguila sss its a 60 gr sub sonic round, .22 short case with a longer bullet... i would post a URL but they are in the process of updating the site... Do you find this valuable? |
 ALMostFoul |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 11 2008, 5:42 PM EDT "sorry to say it, and dont want to argue, but you are wrong... look up the aguila sss its a 60 gr sub sonic round, .22 short case with a longer bullet... i would post a URL but they are in the process of updating the site..."He is right. Aguila ammo is kick ass. It makes a good smacking sound when it hits things too. Do you find this valuable? |
 Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 11 2008, 5:50 PM EDT The .223 caliber IS the 5.56MM (it’s metric versus standard, nothing more). They are both .22 cal LR with HUGE shell casing, which means more propellant. In theory, at least, the shot form stripped .22 (lr or shorts) are usable to reload a 556/223 (but ill-advised since the shot becomes distorted in the process). Do you find this valuable? |
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klesh |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 13 2008, 7:24 AM EDT "The .223 caliber IS the 5.56MM (it’s metric versus standard, nothing more). They are both .22 cal LR with HUGE shell casing, which means more propellant. In theory, at least, the shot form stripped .22 (lr or shorts) are usable to reload a 556/223 (but ill-advised since the shot becomes distorted in the process)."ACTUALLY, the 5.56 and .223 are the same in metric versus standard BUT when you buy a .223 round and buy a 5.56 round there are very subtle differences in the casing. this is why some guns that fire this round take 5.56 and work better while others will take .223 and work better. Do you find this valuable? |
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Maktesh Maktesh |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 13 2008, 10:25 AM EDT I don't know if this has been stated yet but the best primary weapon for zomies would most definately be the .22lr, no doubt about it. The rifles are light, easily portable, the ammo is abundant, let alone interchangeable with most target pistols. both .22lr pistols and rifles are accurate and due to the low kick easy for even a fire arm novice to handle. They are not nearly as loud as other weapons and are relatively easy to silence. But despite all this the most important bit it whether it'll actually get the job done, and the answer to that is yes. Most people will simply disregard the .22lr for being to small or ineffective, but the rounds have more than enough oomph to penetrate the skull. It is not uncommon for the cround to ricochet off the back of the skul as well resulting in the bullet bouncing around in the brain cavity. This little effect would make the round even more effective and desirable simply because who says every headshot will be a kill? Zombies seriously don't need the upper portions of the brain used for higher functions such as reasoning. The most important bits to takecare of would be the motor functions portions of the brain towards it's base. Albeit, I know that i will be carrying along with a .22lr pistol and rifle a heftier "Oh Sh*t Insurance Policy", most likely some form of smaller sawed off shotgun (which would require a bit of work) or simply a large caliber pistol, if a zombie is only a few feet away I want to be sure that it'll only take one shot, but for any distance work, I would stick with a .22lr. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ninja-elbow ninja-elbow |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 15 2008, 2:35 PM EDT Best not rely on that Maktesh. Plenty of ballistics proof out there proves you wrong. If .22lr was such a viable defense round, it'd be used more often as a defense round; zeds or not. 22lr is good for small game, practice, fun (plinking) and if it's all you got - then you better be good with it - it'll work for defense. No round will produce head shots. Only shooter skill does that. Get yourself a .22lr rifle and practice the heck out of that thing. You'll be good with your .22 and the skills you get with that will translate to a larger caliber rifle. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Maktesh Maktesh |
RE: .223 v .22lr v 5.56mm
Jun 16 2008, 10:25 AM EDT Ninja-Elbow, I think you entirely misunderstood what I wrote. Of course no specific round will produce headshots, but i guarantee you that a novice marksman will be ten times more accurate with a .22lr than a haigh calibre assault rifle. This is most obvious with pistols. Have you ever compared a .22 track pistol and a 9mm defense round? The larger calibre obviously takes much more skill to aim and utilize effectively. In the case of a zombie apocalypse there will be many people who have never even fired a gun before in their life and the .22lr is simply the best weapon to put in their hands, it's easier to manage than an assault round, hence why you start children out with it, and the ammo is much easier to find. Secondly, it is simply ridiculous to bring up the .22lr's usefullness as a defense round. It's small, making it borderline useless against humans, i mean sure, it will work, but theres a reason the military and police take stopping power into account when choosing their armaments. A larger calibre round is great for normal use, the bigger the round the more likely it is to incapacitate in a single shot to the chest, the most likely area to be shot. With zombies all the rules change for the most part, you can shoot a zombie in the chest all you want. It doesn't matter the size of the round or the stopping power, a zombie is just going to get back up and keep going until you get it in the head, which the .22lr round has plenty of power to penetrate. Taking this all into consideration the interchangeability of the .22lr between pistols and rifles, let alone it's size, weight, and availability make it a perfect round for the Zombie Apocalypse. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
