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KR555 |
Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 7 2008, 11:44 PM EST accuracy vs reliability? fighting for your life which one you choose? any suggestion? 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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NANOFLY NANOFLY |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 8 2008, 12:15 AM EST I would have to go for a mid ground, a good reliable and accurate 30.06 hunting rifle for me. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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roverbruce roverbruce |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 9 2008, 12:03 PM EDT reliability is important because most encounters are close (less then 20ft). When selecting your weapon ammunition can be important as different brands can be more or less reliable. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 9 2008, 6:45 PM EDT there are so many factors to consider. size weight balance capacity reliability accessibility for all of these i like the israli arms UZI, the colt M4-A3 carbine,and the HK MP-5sd although you might find that they are hard to get your hands on the civilian (semi-auto) versions are on the market and easy to purchase if you have a felony free record! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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klesh |
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Mar 14 2008, 9:28 PM EDT "accuracy vs reliability? fighting for your life which one you choose? any suggestion?"accuracy is relavent to the shooter. reliability is a key factor for long term. as long as it fires every time in a relitivly strait flight path your set. PS: you need lots of ammo. It is fun to have and shoot and know its there if you need it but even better if its cheap military surplus. ****cough cough**AK47, Mosin-Nagant, SKS, lord knows what else!**cough cough***** 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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klesh |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 14 2008, 9:29 PM EDT "there are so many factors to consider.I am appolled that an AK47 was not on that list, holy crap, dude what are you thinking. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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roverbruce roverbruce |
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Mar 15 2008, 1:16 PM EDT "there are so many factors to consider.Sub-guns like UZI, Macs, etc were designed primarily as weapons to keep the enemy down. When fighting "Zombies" the ability to take aimed shots is more important. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KR555 |
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Mar 15 2008, 3:20 PM EDT I strongly believe " Reliability" is the key. Not All Survivor, aren't gonna be "Sharp Shooter and Weapon expert" .So arming survivor with something simple to operate and clean is the key. Firearm i Recommend - 12 guage shotgun(with Short barrel), Handgun (Glock17), and Rifle (Aks) 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
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Mar 15 2008, 5:44 PM EDT "I strongly believe " Reliability" is the key. Not All Survivor, aren't gonna be "Sharp Shooter and Weapon expert" .So arming survivor with something simple to operate and clean is the key.Why would you be arming survivors at all? I wouldn't want to give someone a gun that wasn't smart enough to have one already. Arming strangers is like saying "Hey here's a gun please shoot me in the back and take everything I have whenever it's convenient for you." But to answer your question(kind of), why pick between the two? It's a wonderfully modern age we live in and it's quite possible to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. There's a reason all other gun designs didn't fall off the face of the planet after the AK was designed. As of now im going out the door with my AR but id stop and take a good long look at the SKS before I left. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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KR555 |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 16 2008, 12:46 AM EDT "Why would you be arming survivors at all?I wouldn't trust anyone off the street. My Trust List to arm people (Most Trusted) 1-4 (Less Trusted) 1.Family Member 2. Cousin 3. Friends 4. Stranger Getting head shots won't work when zeds close in on you, and good luck at wasting ammo at avoidable zombie at far distance. Dude i don't get you "Greed" will only prevent others from helping, used your "trust list" if you even have one. AR is a great gun that is acurate at long range, should you really be messing with a Zeds far away. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
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Mar 16 2008, 11:07 AM EDT "I wouldn't trust anyone off the street.I have people I’d trust with a gun...they just have there own already so I don't have to worry about arming anyone. My policy is that someone needs to know how to take care of themselves before I trust them to take care of me. The trick to surviving when SHTF is staying low key. Don't let people know you've prepared and have the ability to ride it out in relative comfort. If they think you're as desperate as them they'll leave you alone. Once you start handing out guns to desperate people they are going to know you have extra and you just gave them the means to take it for themselves. It’s not "greed" its called being smart and if they need my handouts they're not in much of a position to help me anyway. You state, “Getting head shots won't work when zeds close in on you, and good luck at wasting ammo at avoidable zombie at far distance." By that logic why even have a gun at all? Since for some reason it's impossible to get head shots on close targets(I’d like to hear the logic behind that one) and it's wasteful to shoot targets far off. Plus you've already undermined any attempt at defense against other survivors since you'll just be handing guns to strangers anyway. So why have a gun at all since you've just shot down any reason for having one? (pun not intended) I choose the AR because you won't just be up against zeds. Two guys engage each other at some intermediate range...lets call it 150 meters, one has an AK and the other has and AR. For the sake of argument lets say they both know how to shoot and stay calm and they notice each other at the same time i.e. no real first shot advantage. My money's going on the guy with the rifle that can easily keep a minute of man out to 300meters rather than the one that'll be lucky to keep all its rounds in an area the size of a Volkswagen at just 100 meters. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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klesh |
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Mar 16 2008, 2:36 PM EDT "I have people I’d trust with a gun...they just have there own already so I don't have to worry about arming anyone. My policy is that someone needs to know how to take care of themselves before I trust them to take care of me.Mr. Wulfgar87, im again disapointed in your taking of what people say and the logic behind two people having a gun fight. first, i belive the man was saying that if he knows people who were not as prepared as he, he would lend them a hand. He wasnt saying he'll be handing crates of guns to random strangers, he was saying to people he trusted he would give them a weapon. I can personally relate to what he is saying and is my prime example- One of my good buddies is a guy who enjoys guns but doesnt have any, he hunts with relitives but borrows a gun each time. i would trust him with one of my guns if the need came. end of story. second, your gun fight at "some intermediate range...lets call it 150 meters one has an AK and the other has and AR" its a load of bull. If you start engaging someone at 150m and they didnt shoot first, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. also what engagement happens at that range unless you really want it to happen. are you going to be cought in a wild west situation where your both STANDING in the middle of the road taking shots at each other, god no! Again and again the same argument appears, IT IS ALL RELITIVE, You dont know that the guy with the AK cant gen an MOA group at 100 meters, You cant say that with 100% certainty. some AK's can get 2 inch groups at 100m or longer. SIDENOTE: dont try to put people down, were all civilized here. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 16 2008, 7:37 PM EDT the ak 47 isnt on my list because it sucks, i have 3 right now and they all suck so if your in the market get an FFL and gimme a call 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 16 2008, 7:41 PM EDT "Sub-guns like UZI, Macs, etc were designed primarily as weapons to keep the enemy down. When fighting "Zombies" the ability to take aimed shots is more important."the UZI was designed to be a compact close quarters weapon that was accurate and easy to silence. they were made to do the exact job we are speaking of IDIOT! 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
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Mar 16 2008, 8:25 PM EDT "We're discussing the merits of individual weapons not the shooters. The scenario I used wasn't really about the people it was about the capabilities of the rifles...I was trying to keep the human element out of it as much as possible hence my statement. "For the sake of argument lets say they both know how to shoot and stay calm and they notice each other at the same time i.e. no real first shot advantage." I figured the gun fight scenario was more relevant to the whole end of the world thing. I could have just as easily said you've got the same guy shooting an AR and an AK from a bench rest at 50m. He's going to get more rounds on target with the AR than the AK. I picked 150m for the fact that most engagements are from 300m on in so I just cut that in half. Pick any range you want and the AR will out shoot the AK. Yes the 'nut' behind the stock is the most important element in accurate shooting but the rifle has to be capable of some sort of accuracy itself otherwise the best shooter in the world isn't going to be able to put rounds where he wants them. Who did I put down? If someone feels I’ve been less than civil with them all they have to do is speak up and they'll have my immediate and most sincere apologies. Do you find this valuable? |
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KR555 |
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Mar 16 2008, 9:31 PM EDT "We're discussing the merits of individual weapons not the shooters. The scenario I used wasn't really about the people it was about the capabilities of the rifles...I was trying to keep the human element out of it as much as possible hence my statement.Starting a gun fight with survivor is just plain curel and yes, there will be bandits(crazy people). If you want Range and Result go with a "sniper rifle" . Do you find this valuable? |
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alicestar |
RE: Weapons? accuracy vs reliability?
Mar 16 2008, 11:23 PM EDT "We're discussing the merits of individual weapons not the shooters. The scenario I used wasn't really about the people it was about the capabilities of the rifles...I was trying to keep the human element out of it as much as possible hence my statement.side note: I dont post opinion's or theory. unlike most I am an expert in the field of combat tactics, survival, CQB, explosives, and entry tactics. I want to share my knowledge with you but it really pisses me off when someone posts comments on something they know nothing about! so please roverbruce stop posting comments 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wulfgar87 |
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Mar 16 2008, 11:57 PM EDT "side note: I dont post opinion's or theory. unlike most I am an expert in the field of combat tactics, survival, CQB, explosives, and entry tactics. I want to share my knowledge with you but it really pisses me off when someone posts comments on something they know nothing about! so please roverbruce stop posting comments"Ok guy that thinks AK47s shoot .308....you're an expert. Do you find this valuable? |
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alicestar |
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Mar 17 2008, 1:10 AM EDT "Ok guy that thinks AK47s shoot .308....you're an expert."wulfgar, you can get an ak47 on the market that shoots anywhere from a .223 to a .50 beowulf. hell ive seen a .50bmg modeled after an AK47. I hate to bash on you because you know your weapons. give it a rest, were on the same side ps. the ak47 sucks anyway why do you care 0 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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roverbruce roverbruce |
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Mar 17 2008, 2:08 AM EDT "the UZI was designed to be a compact close quarters weapon that was accurate and easy to silence. they were made to do the exact job we are speaking of IDIOT! "Compact submachine guns are inherentley area weapons. Can they be shot reasonably accurately in QCB by a skilled shooter? Yes, but most including you would be "pray and spray "in this situation. Traditonal assault type weapons would be easier for the less experianced. Do you find this valuable? |
