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KR555 |
Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 17 2008, 1:09 AM EDT Head Shots a one hit kill, even with the most accurate firearm it take a well train individual to do it, but still sharpshooter waste some rounds missing. Torse Shot , don't know how many round it will take? But hitting % is high. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Torin316 Torin316 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 17 2008, 8:42 AM EDT My impression was that only head shots will ruin a zombies day, so why go for torso shots even though you will be hitting your target they won't be out of action till you pop the top. Even though you may miss a few times It would cost less ammo aiming for the brain then hopelessly firing into the torso. But hey on Z-day torso shots may work, just may take longer, but till its proven I'll stick to the myth and aim for the brain. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13th.Casualty |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 17 2008, 9:32 AM EDT Aim for the torso only if you have a gun with good stopping power, like a shotgun or hand cannons (think Magnums). This doesn't kill the zombie, but pushes them back, giving you room to do whatever the heck needs doing. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 17 2008, 2:56 PM EDT I think ill stick to pelvis shot to stop the charge and disable the zed, its easier to hit and it will physically stop the zombie or any other creature from being able to bear weight on there legs making a head shot more practical. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Talon12 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 17 2008, 6:39 PM EDT On the range I can hit a 4" tile but it"s NOT moving. With the zombie bob and weave I think dissabling first then finishing off may be the best way. Do you find this valuable? |
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OriJuice OriJuice |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 26 2008, 10:37 PM EDT Torso shots would be very effective if you had a high cal. rifle like a 50. Even conventional hollow tips/armor piercing bullets at the side can take off large chunks. If you pick away at enough with smaller arms fire then it could be effective. But a 50. is the way to go if you want to ensure that the Z ain't gettin up. Do you find this valuable? |
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alicestar |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 26 2008, 10:48 PM EDT "Torso shots would be very effective if you had a high cal. rifle like a 50. Even conventional hollow tips/armor piercing bullets at the side can take off large chunks. If you pick away at enough with smaller arms fire then it could be effective. But a 50. is the way to go if you want to ensure that the Z ain't gettin up."ori do me a favor and carry around a 50lb 5 foot long steel pipe in your hands and 60lbs worth of free weights in your rucksack. do this for 5hrs. when your done I want you to put the steel pipe to your shoulder, pick 5-10 objects as targets and swing the pipe repeatedly "aiming" it at each target. do this for 10 minutes. after you finish I want you to keep the pipe end on your shoulder pointing out and run at a wall ( to simulate recoil from the offhand position) let me know how it goes!! 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kaikelx Kaikelx |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 26 2008, 11:06 PM EDT What I think OriJuice means is that if you use it as a stationary weapon with a LOT of ammo, torso shots could be effective. Yes, I know it is hard to get a .50 cal, the ammo, and the training. I mean, it could work if you are a very lucky soldier trained to use one. Out of sheer curiosity, are soldiers trained to use .50 cals? Anyways, I'm going with head shots to kill with a gun, and torso 'shots' with anything else or a gun to delay. Do you find this valuable? |
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iamMetaluna iamMetaluna |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 27 2008, 1:38 AM EDT I say Head-shot for several reasons. If this is the sort that can't be killed with a head shot (Return of the Living Dead style that has to be completely incinerated) a head shot will can at least tear off a jaw or blind them. A .50 cal is impractical (as already stated) instead, use a humble .22 rifle. Highly accurate, the ammo and rifle are light, no recoil for more accuracy, the ammunition is practically hanging of the trees so you can miss a few times, quieter than a big gun, and finally (and perhaps most important) the round will not pass through the skull, but enter and ricochet inside the head doing more damage to the brain. Plus with "Stinger" rounds (a high power hollow point .22 round available at Walmart) you can nearly blow a .38 sived hole in something. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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alicestar |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 27 2008, 3:55 AM EDT "I say Head-shot for several reasons. If this is the sort that can't be killed with a head shot (Return of the Living Dead style that has to be completely incinerated) a head shot will can at least tear off a jaw or blind them. A .50 cal is impractical (as already stated) instead, use a humble .22 rifle. Highly accurate, the ammo and rifle are light, no recoil for more accuracy, the ammunition is practically hanging of the trees so you can miss a few times, quieter than a big gun, and finally (and perhaps most important) the round will not pass through the skull, but enter and ricochet inside the head doing more damage to the brain. Plus with "Stinger" rounds (a high power hollow point .22 round available at Walmart) you can nearly blow a .38 sived hole in something."all of these theories are great but have any of you taken physics? listen, a human skull is shaped like an egg, not a box so upon impact the bullet is going to create whats called a wound channel. now if you've seen ballistic jell tests you will notice that some channels curve up, some down, and some can make a solid 90degree turn. the reason for that is the bullet follows the path of least resistance. with a 22lr it is more common place for the bullet to enter the skin and channel around the side of the skull and out the back then it is to "punch" in and "bounce" around in fact most of the stories about a 22lr bouncing around are myth. most high power rounds like the 223 will only punch through 6-8in of dense tissue before all of its energy is expended and it comes to rest. so the possibility of a 22lr playing pong in your chest cavity is a little out there. please research your info a little better if your going to post it, people come here looking for info that could save there life in any survival situation and what you just posted will get a good number of them killed! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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minidude0 minidude0 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 27 2008, 7:33 AM EDT "all of these theories are great but have any of you taken physics? listen, a human skull is shaped like an egg, not a box so upon impact the bullet is going to create whats called a wound channel. now if you've seen ballistic jell tests you will notice that some channels curve up, some down, and some can make a solid 90degree turn. the reason for that is the bullet follows the path of least resistance. with a 22lr it is more common place for the bullet to enter the skin and channel around the side of the skull and out the back then it is to "punch" in and "bounce" around in fact most of the stories about a 22lr bouncing around are myth. most high power rounds like the 223 will only punch through 6-8in of dense tissue before all of its energy is expended and it comes to rest. so the possibility of a 22lr playing pong in your chest cavity is a little out there. please research your info a little better if your going to post it, people come here looking for info that could save there life in any survival situation and what you just posted will get a good number of them killed! "why don't you do something about it mr tough guyy? you know how many people put shit information on the gun section? good job they will get killed, well i don't give a fuck cause in PAW it will be only me 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Hell_Razor |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 27 2008, 10:50 AM EDT "why don't you do something about it mr tough guyy? you know how many people put shit information on the gun section? good job they will get killed, well i don't give a fuck cause in PAW it will be only me"Look pal, alicestar's only one guy, and I'm fairly certain he has other things going on for him than this wiki. There's no way that any of us could ensure that every bit of information is correct. And since he's a fellow Iraq vet, I'd trust his information more than just about anyone else on this webpage. We can debate head shots or torso shots all day, but the fact of the matter is that as long as we don't have a clear definition of what sort of threat (undead or otherwise) we are up against, we can't get an exact answer as to what is the best way to deal with them. If the Romero or Brooks zombies really do exist (I doubt it, but you never know) then of course the only way to finish them off is with a shot to the noggin. But if the slightly more plausible 28 Days Later virus does get created or discovered, center mass baby! Also, you might want to rethink about striking out on your own. If anything is almost guaranteed to give you a dirt nap, it's going Lone Ranger. Do what you want come Z-Day, but I'd sleep better at night knowing someone is awake and on guard. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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iamMetaluna iamMetaluna |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Apr 27 2008, 1:33 PM EDT "all of these theories are great but have any of you taken physics? listen, a human skull is shaped like an egg, not a box so upon impact the bullet is going to create whats called a wound channel. now if you've seen ballistic jell tests you will notice that some channels curve up, some down, and some can make a solid 90degree turn. the reason for that is the bullet follows the path of least resistance. with a 22lr it is more common place for the bullet to enter the skin and channel around the side of the skull and out the back then it is to "punch" in and "bounce" around in fact most of the stories about a 22lr bouncing around are myth. most high power rounds like the 223 will only punch through 6-8in of dense tissue before all of its energy is expended and it comes to rest. so the possibility of a 22lr playing pong in your chest cavity is a little out there. please research your info a little better if your going to post it, people come here looking for info that could save there life in any survival situation and what you just posted will get a good number of them killed! "I never suggested that it could bounce around in a chest cavity. I've also never taken physics, but I'm very familiar with 22lr bullet capabilities since I've used them for target shooting since I was a child (which constitutes roughly 21 yrs of research I suppose). I was mainly drawing a comparison between attempting to find a .50 cal (weapon and ammo), lug it around, and aim a .50cal weapon with any accuracy- and using something more common place. Magnums (particularly with hollow point ammo) and .30 hunting rifles are of course preferable, but people and gun store owners aren't going to just leave those lying around - and attempting to loot stuff like that may get you killed by the initial owners. Regular 22lr will pass through (initially) metal drums (rounded - not flat) and thick glass like a 40 ounce bottle (rounded - not flat) but bounce around once inside. I'd say a rough ratio is that for every 1 that passes through, 2-3 ricochet inside. With Stinger rounds, they rarely pass through, but do ricochet a lot inside (and will cause larger wounds since they are hollow points). Granted, thick glass and metal drums do not make a human skull analog due to tissue outside and inside - but considering that the flesh on the head will probably be rotted (with none of the resistance of living tissue), or that the zombie may even have skull exposed, it can make a case for using a .22. I don't think what I said would get anyone killed, unless they tried to take on a horde (which wasn't the question - head shot or chest shot) with a .22 rifle. *Which only a fool would do - horde=evade. Against 1-3 zombies, with a semi-automatic .22 rifle, I don't think you'd have any issues. Oh, on a side note, I've seen a lot of ballistics jell tests, as well as the wound channel effect you spoke of. There was a great special on History channel about the JFK "Magic Bullet" and they were able to recreate it using a lot of the same info. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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byates |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 12 2008, 6:56 PM EDT The Sept issue of Rifle magazine has an article on shot placement, including a discussion on head shots. There are many examples of people getting shot in the head and surviving, one policeman was hit in the forehead with a 45, didn't know he was hit til after he had handcuffed the shooter. Try some penetration test on green bone, roughly the same thickness as a human skull and report back on what you found. Remember, the bone thickness varies in different parts of the skull. Do you find this valuable? |
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reddot93 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 12:15 PM EDT dude from what i have learned only a head shot can take out a zombie. i know its going to be tough to get one in but that why you dedicate your weekends at the pistol range trying to shoot the head and get all the bullets on your targets head. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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~Jack~ |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 2:25 PM EDT Alright, the zombies that must be shot in the head to be killed: shoot for the head. you may miss three times, but if you shoot the torso first, it's the same thing as missing the head. Rage zombies, however, it doesn't really matter. The chest or head doesn't matter. As long as it has good stopping power to kill the zombie right then and there. And... well, when it comes down to it, can you afford to shoot at the torso at all? even if you hit, there is no guarantee that it's going down. It depends on the situation, really. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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reddot93 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 3:36 PM EDT "Alright, the zombies that must be shot in the head to be killed: shoot for the head. you may miss three times, but if you shoot the torso first, it's the same thing as missing the head.rage zombies??? Are you going 28 weeks later on their asses??? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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~Jack~ |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 3:59 PM EDT uh... I was thinking more of 28 days later. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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reddot93 |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 4:15 PM EDT but the rage zombies are also in 28 weeks later... so ya i mean they inform you about rage in days but they show more of it in weeks 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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~Jack~ |
RE: Head Shots? or Torse Shot?
Aug 13 2008, 7:03 PM EDT Uhhh... yeah... la dee dum... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
