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Haveabadday
Haveabadday
Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 5 2008, 5:37 PM EDT
Given a fully automatic rifle/ turret/whatnot and an upcoming group of zombies the first guess would to aim for the head and mow down the whole group with the bullets just going in one head after another, right?
Well if we know that zombies were once humans, and humans are all different heights, then some zombies would just crawl across to you.
Thus disproving the Scythe theory with the help of max brooks and the ultimate zombie survival guide.
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CyprusBill
CyprusBill
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 6 2008, 7:51 PM EDT
Here's an alternative. If you had the resources (say, an army base full of ammo and machine guns, etc) you could set up a machine gun about 1 to 2 feet off the ground (knee level) and saw the legs out from under a wall of z's. That would put them on the ground and slow them down to where other things (like flamethrowers) would have more time to be effective. And walking, swaying, lurching target may be hard to head shoot, but one on the ground? A 4 year old couldn't miss.
Also, when you put them all on the ground, set up another machine gun about 6 inches to a foot or so off of the ground where their heads will now be. And THEN multiple head shots might work.
Like I said, it would all depend on your resources. It's gonna get pretty wasteful, pretty fast, anyway you cut it.
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Legion12
Legion12
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 6 2008, 8:03 PM EDT
All those zombies crawling on the ground would be a good place to have the lesser trained people get some real shooting time. Do you find this valuable?    
CyprusBill
CyprusBill
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 6 2008, 9:14 PM EDT
Now we're talking!
Maybe even grease up the battlefield and light it on fire, Braveheart-style, so that when they're down and crawling slower, they have more time to take damage from the fire.
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Funkyzombie2000

Funkyzombie2000
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 7 2008, 12:52 PM EDT
I don't know. No matter how you cut it, zombies on fire only smell like a bad idea. All it takes is one to accidentially set fire to something that really shouldn't be. Do you find this valuable?    
BanditJack
BanditJack
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 7 2008, 6:01 PM EDT
I read that in the ZSG, but I'm still kinda for it. As Mr. Brooks put it, the "scythe technique" will have only eliminated maybe 40-50% of the enemy.

I don't know about you, but to me, that's pretty damn good. So what if they all aren't the same height? Enough of them will be of average height for it to be an effective strategy against oncoming hordes, especially fast zeds.
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iamMetaluna

iamMetaluna
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 7 2008, 6:33 PM EDT
"I read that in the ZSG, but I'm still kinda for it. As Mr. Brooks put it, the "scythe technique" will have only eliminated maybe 40-50% of the enemy.

I don't know about you, but to me, that's pretty damn good. So what if they all aren't the same height? Enough of them will be of average height for it to be an effective strategy against oncoming hordes, especially fast zeds."
You make a good point, but that 40-50 percent kill rate doesn't look that good if you still have 60-50 bull charging you. Also attempting to maintain the same height while going side to side with sustained fire from an automatic would be very tricky unless you had a mount. Especially if one is soiling his/her-self b/c they're facing down a horde of "runners" :)
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BanditJack
BanditJack
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 8 2008, 2:00 AM EDT
Yea, but I failed to mention that I would use this tactic in conjunction with riflemen on the line. They help clear away whatever is left standing/moving. Do you find this valuable?    
Gummbearyyz
Gummbearyyz
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 10 2008, 11:52 PM EDT
yes, but everything like that is set on a subtle curve there's average people who are above average and people who are below average if you aim for the lower area of the head and high on the neck of the average people you may take down a very large amount of the zombies Do you find this valuable?    
Legion12
Legion12
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 10 2008, 11:58 PM EDT
Unless you are held up in an ammo factory, go with one shot one kill. Semi-autos are smaller and lighter than a belt fed MG. If you have to run, and you will, a rifle is better. Do you find this valuable?    
BanditJack
BanditJack
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 12 2008, 4:51 PM EDT
I say that during base defense or when massive suppression power is needed, it would be an opportune time to let loose with some fully automatic fire. Not many people are needed (1-3 out of 20), and only in controlled bursts, but to let some of the guys open up would be beneficial. Everybody else is still taking controlled, accurate shots. When I say suppression, I mean waves of zombies. Hundreds, possibly thousands (hopefully not tens of thousands) of oncoming undead beings. You can have the best sharpshooting team on the planet, but you will be unable to keep them off for long. If ANYTHING, you can shred their bodies to keep them from getting to you as fast. I think that the application of automatic fir against the undead should be reexamined. Do you find this valuable?    
Legion12
Legion12
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 12 2008, 5:07 PM EDT
In that case you need to use grazing fire like CyprusBill talked about. Fire about 12 inches off the ground utill they are dead or down, or you run out of ammo. Do you find this valuable?    
sporezombie

sporezombie
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 13 2008, 11:20 AM EDT
To me the scythe theory only is effective when you are on top of a wall and the zombies are pressing against the wall and you fire down on them that way height is removed from the equation Do you find this valuable?    
sporezombie

sporezombie
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
May 13 2008, 11:23 AM EDT
"yes, but everything like that is set on a subtle curve there's average people who are above average and people who are below average if you aim for the lower area of the head and high on the neck of the average people you may take down a very large amount of the zombies"
then if you have a team of snipers if their elevated out of danger then they can take care of it themselves and save you resources
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Lamnont
Lamnont
RE: Don't believe in the "Scythe" theory
Jul 17 2008, 3:10 PM EDT
After you machine gun the bastard, throw a few moltovs at them. Do you find this valuable?    
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