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ThePragmaticSlayer |
.22 bounce
May 10 2008, 1:45 PM EDT
I learned how to shoot a .22 long, which i must say is a solid round to be using - despite claims that it's "underpowered" - because of the fact that it bounces once it makes its initial impact (as stated above). I don't know for myself if the .223/5.56 Remington functions in the same way...Does the .223 bounce one it makes impact, i figured it wouldn't because its used for hunting and a bouncing bullet would ruin the game. If you know what would happen speak up.
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Legion12 |
1. RE: .22 bounce
May 10 2008, 1:56 PM EDT
Do you mean the round tumbles once it enters the body?
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ThePragmaticSlayer |
2. RE: .22 bounce
May 10 2008, 2:05 PM EDT
Yes, one a .22 round (rim fire rounds do this definitely) pierces the body it ricochets around inside the body and breaks bones, damages tissues, etc. I'm not sure if the .223 or center fire versions of the .22 bounce when they enter the body but if they do...almost guaranteed one-hit-kill
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Legion12 |
3. RE: .22 bounce
May 10 2008, 2:10 PM EDT
There are a lot of combat vets on this site so I'm sure you will get an answer soon. I carried the old M-16, and never fire it in combat, just at paper
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PedroAsani |
4. RE: .22 bounce
Dec 1 2011, 5:21 PM EST
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/.22+Ricochet
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moonshade13 |
5. RE: .22 bounce
Dec 15 2011, 10:24 AM EST
It's hard to really compare a .22lr round to a .223/5.56 rnd. The only similarity is the diameter of the bullet itself. Otherwise there is really no comparison. There are many cases I have seen where the .22rnd has bounced off bones & traveled through the body (recall one where the person was hit in the right shoulder, it hit the collar bone & bounced left & went through the person's heart). Your not going to see that with a .223 rnd. Velocity (3000+ fps vs. the 1250+ fps of a .22), bullet weight & muzzle energy are much higher. The .223 IS SUPPOSED to tumble end over end when penetrating, but from what I have read (& that does not mean I know all) it generally doesn't happen in the average human body & just penetrates though it ( I forget how much ballistic gell was required to make it tumble, maybe someone else had that data). Do you find this valuable? |
chitoryu12 |
6. RE: .22 bounce
Dec 15 2011, 1:36 PM EST
I believe the .223's tumbling controversy is due to the M16A2 using a heavier bullet and a tighter rifling twist, which makes it more stable and gives it better range but leads to the round simply passing through the targets. The M16A1 didn't have as much stabilization, which led to it tumbling and causing wounds much larger than a round of that size should make.
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John_234 |
7. RE: .22 bounce
Dec 15 2011, 7:28 PM EST
From what I know, don't take my word for this...The original M16 and M16A1 had a 1-in-12 or 1-in-14 rifling turn. So about one complete rotation per foot of barrel, in a twenty inch barrel. Combined with the very light M193 55 grain bullets, this meant that the shots were inherently unstable. Plus, the light bullets went at near three thousand feet per second with a rifle length barrel. When they'd strike a target, there would be so little stabilization the round would yaw to a large extent. This type of close-range performance endeared it to the likes of the SAS, which were among the first users of the rifle. However, this meant the deflection from soft cover and foliage was exacerbated, hence the adoption of the 62 grain SS109. The Belgian round paired with a faster rifling twist with the M16A2 which made it more stable and granted better penetrative qualities. It lost a bit of close range stopping power, which is probably why the complaints of stopping power became part of the M16 mythos. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
oldannyboy37 |
8. RE: .22 bounce
Dec 15 2011, 8:21 PM EST
"From what I know, don't take my word for this...This. Unless you need max penetration with your rifle I'd say a .223 is just fine for civilians; you can always use hollow points, soft points, or ballistic tipped ammo. You can get HP and SP ammo for about the same price as fmj ammo now a days. As for the ,22 bouncing. I've shot plenty of animals in the head with a .22 and never seen it, but I've never really hunted around much on the corpse afterwords though. It can and does happen, depending on it to happen EVERY time is a bit foolish though. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
