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Discussion: Destroying a staircase
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Tuck-Duck&Roll |
Destroying a staircase
May 26 2008, 1:17 AM EDT To destroy (de-construct) the average staircase in a modern home isn't that difficult to do. All you need is a razor knife, prybar, crowbar and heavy weight hammer. First you cut up and remove the carpeting from the staircase's treads, then set the prybar under the tread and hit it with the hammer to drive (wedge) the prybar between the riser and the tread. Once the gap is large enough, set the prybar in the gap and using the crowbars extra leverage, lift the tread off the riser. Repeat as needed, until all treads have been removed. If desired you could then dismantled the risers, but I'm not sure that would be required, as I doubt zed's are co-ordinated enough to climb the risers to the second floor. For safety and security after I removed the risers I'd construct a simple solid wall out of plywood and be done with it. 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cylon1994 |
RE: Destroying a staircase
May 27 2008, 9:06 AM EDT Yeah I have a staircase like that and I was curious. I am worried however that the solution may take a while and I will probably only have an hour or so to get eady. That includes getting enough food and water and weaponry. I plan to seperate the upstairs from the downstairs and live upstairs. The only thing we wouldn't have up there is a kitchen. Do you find this valuable? |
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.andrew |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Jul 5 2008, 3:49 AM EDT thanks you..for helping people understand how to simply desroy a staircase so they dont trap themselves downstairs, or worse, burn their while house down Do you find this valuable? |
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DataPhreak DataPhreak |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 12:11 AM EST I live in a concrete loft, ala Frank 28DL. How would one destroy this stair case, given he had time. Lets say 24 hours min, 48 max. Do you find this valuable? |
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DaveBall |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 12:17 AM EST If the stairs are concrete. you probably won't have the time. It would take some heavy equipment to tear it up. The other option is to try to barricade it and make it as secure as possible. Do you find this valuable? |
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SuperSoldierRCP |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 12:22 AM EST Destorying a staircase is a bad idea i mean what if u need to move supplies up there it will take longer and be harder at the top a 4x4 beam 2hinges and some nail are found in any house or improve behind that dressers desks and a matress and a good barricade plus as i recall its hard for zeds to use stairs Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 12:58 AM EST if it came down to an emergency you could take a staircase out with a sledgehammer, just taking out the stringers in two sections would be enough, although assuming i had time this is what i would do. i'd separate the stringers at the top and bottom, and place 2 2x6 brackets between them at both ends and use strong ties to hold the stringers to the brackets, then i'd hinge the bracket at the top, when an emergency comes you can just use a rope and eyehook to pull the stairs up, effectivly blocking the entrance to the 2nd story. as far as the cement steps go, short of breaking out the jackhammer, if you had three guys with sledgehammers and a san angelo bar you could probably get it done, but keep in mind it'll create a hell of alot of racket. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 7:39 PM EST If you destroy your stairwell, you cut off your escape route AND have skin jobs inside your perimeter, where their banging and crashing and, if you’re not luck, deliberate attempts at sabotage will inevitably either get them up to you (unlikely, actually), or cause a fire (inevitable), roasting you alive in your own home. Congrats you’re dead because you’re a moron. (And I’m not in a bad mood, either. And sober.) Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 16 2008, 9:02 PM EST I find it amazing that you can use sarcasm but the rest of us can't. either way I feel that you can fortify a very large building quickly and simply by taking the stairs between the first and second floors out, and removing any obvious fire hazards from the first floor. Do you find this valuable? |
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DataPhreak DataPhreak |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 17 2008, 11:24 AM EST That's the point. When you are destroying a stairwell, you are fortifying a positon. That means you plan to stay there for a minute. And the reason we are discussing this is so that we don't start a fire. Hence why the ZSG says not to set the stairs on fire. (Maybe you should look into a little of that un-sober. I think it comes in a cream that you can apply directly to the forehead now.) Do you find this valuable? |
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Tuck-Duck&Roll |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 17 2008, 1:19 PM EST An alternative to destroying the staircase (providing you have the time, about 4 to 6 hours), is to convert a six foot section of stairway, into a drawbridge of sorts. First you totally remove the upper six foot section of treads, leaving the risers in place. Then the upper six foot section of stairs can be duplicated out of 2x6 lumber and hinged at the landing. Of course, due to the weight of the stair section you'll have to raise and lower via a manual winch. This set up has two advantages, one being that when the stairway is needed, it will function much like the original stairway, so you won't have to balance on ladders or other less stable means of access. The second benifit is when the stairway is the home postion (raised) it forms a solid wall of stout lumber. Looking at the set up with the stairway raised, any zed's (attackers) will be confronted by a six foot long hole, at the highest section of the stairway (long drop) and a solid wall blocking access to the second floor. Thats pretty much it, I'm sure ya'll can tweek this idea a bit. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 17 2008, 5:12 PM EST "An alternative to destroying the staircase (providing you have the time, about 4 to 6 hours), is to convert a six foot section of stairway, into a drawbridge of sorts.wow this thread must echo Do you find this valuable? |
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Tuck-Duck&Roll |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 2:25 AM EST Sorry, I somehow missed your reply from last Sunday's discussion. However, the idea you presented is sound and is preferable to the total destruction of the staircase. As far as fortifying goes, I'd look to the middle ages and how they fortified their castles. The idea of using murder holes would work well for zed's. A murder hole was a hole in the second floors flooring, that allowed the defenders to shoot at anyone on the first floor. Strategic placement of these murder holes, would allow the defender to clear their first floor in short order. The side benefit of these holes is that you would have multiple escape holes (routes), to drop through in case of fire or loss of your defensive perimeter. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 3:47 AM EST "brandon_a_boyer: I find it amazing that you can use sarcasm but the rest of us can't. either way I feel that you can fortify a very large building quickly and simply by taking the stairs between the first and second floors out, and removing any obvious fire hazards from the first floor.brandon_a_boyer: Because I know how to- It’s a skill developed with training and practice. At any rate, my point stands- Sooner or later (and it’s sooner, rather than later), if you let them have your first floor they will do SOMETHING to cause the building to catch ire or otherwise fall down killing you. Again, congrats, you won the Darwin Award, with Honors. DataPhreak: No, you’ve just built your own cremation kiln. The skin jobs, bouncing around down here, will eventually start the fires. The only reason, if you want to call it that, that I can see to abandon a first floor is to retreat to the next building, in which case you might as well have demolitions charges to take the building and possibly a few hundred kin jobs on you way out. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 7:03 AM EST since zombies have the ability to spontaneously combust right? I never said you don't leave yourself with escape options, i was merely pointing out how one would if it became absolutely neccesary to do so, sometimes situations call for special tactics, this is one of those. You do remember your own quote "closed minds kill"? or was that spoken in a drunken slur that you can't quite remember? Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 6:12 PM EST "Part 1:ALWAYS hold your box. NEVER give an inch. Let them have the fraking fields, who gives two shits about that, BUT HOLD YOUR BOX. Once you give up one room, you’ve lost the whole thing. The only reason I can see to risk giving up even that one room is to abandon the building (which, by definition, means you MUST have an escape route planned), then demolishing it in place; Seems a waste to build (or re-build to skin job ready) a building, just to cede it in this manner, but there may be places where that is exactly the plan (“give points” designed specifically to give way under control to corral the enemy), but that’s a big expenditure for an average survivor. There IS, however, closing off the entire first floor, using the second floor for entrance; Review Building Your Fort entry on Fire Escapes. Think of it like this: ¿Ever seen Terminator? ¿The original one? ¿What happened at the Police Station when it got in? Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 6:13 PM EST "You do remember your own quote "closed minds kill"? or was that spoken in a drunken slur that you can't quite remember?"Just because I’m right doesn’t mean you have to like it. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 18 2008, 9:03 PM EST i don't care to argue anymore, i've shown my viewpoints, i'm not going to waste anymore time because andy has declared himself the victor. Do you find this valuable? |
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AgEnT_GrEEn |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 19 2008, 5:02 AM EST Everybody chillax...No need to kill each other over a staircase. Okay, staying upstairs in your house is a bad idea for most if not all houses; leaving flammable items on the first floor for the Skinnies to fuck around with is even more stupid. Do you find this valuable? |
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AgEnT_GrEEn |
RE: Destroying a staircase
Nov 19 2008, 5:28 AM EST "Everybody chillax...No need to kill each other over a staircase.Alright, an explanation for my reasoning: Most houses aren't very escapable without a fire-ladder [which everyone should have if they have a 2-story house, EOD*] or sturdy trellis and or gutters. If you're fortunate enough to already have these and KNOW they'll work when you need them to, boo-yah. In a nutshell, if you can't escape from the 2nd story in a jiffy in case of fire or a breach**, don't do it. **If you go the 2nd story route, BARRICADE AND BLACKOUT the 1st floor [Ya only need to blackout the 2nd floor unless they're super-Zeds] so they don't get their nasty-ass selves in your home thus nullifying the box-up-giving in the first place. Regularly head down to check the barricades for signs of weakness and or tampering, and act accordingly to repair them [you should have crap in your house you can use to fix them]. Keep the flammables someplace safe, someplace NOT on the 1st floor or basement, preferably nicely boxed up and away from any and all sources of heat or sparks [smoke somplace other than the 'splosives room you fucking moron!] and assign someone trusted to check the flammables containers every now and then for leaks or other bad things. The 2nd story of one's house is doable, but not for very long, I'd give it a week or so before I'd head out [I only know of one person's house that I'd go to having 2 stories, and he and the rest of the crime-ridden city's packin' like a muthafukka ; ) *End Of Discussion; Z-day or not you should be prepared...EOD. Do you find this valuable? |
