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Discussion: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
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 Andering_J_REDDSON |
¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 3 2008, 5:22 PM EDT Really, you don’t. Simply secure the first-floor windows and doors, and you CAN keep the skin jobs out. Furthermore, Max BROOKES not withstanding, evacuating the first floor leaves you open to skin jobs getting in, which in the midst of a mindless rage can lead anywhere from a mess to a full-flegded conglaguration, meaning you get to choose between dying from being barbequed, or getting bitten (and then you better hope you get eaten) by the skin jobs. DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR FIRSTST FLOOR UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES; HOLD WHAT YOU GOT TO THE DEATH, because once you give it up, you can’t get it back. (I guess if you want to live, you’ve got to kill all the skin jobs.) 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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elvenoutrider elvenoutrider |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 3 2008, 5:40 PM EDT i think the ideal would be to get everything off the first floor, destroy hte stairs and have everything ready on the second floor so if you need to you can retreat up. The second floor should be a fallback not your primary, besides, I know in my house there are a lot more windows on the first floor, and the windows on my second floor dont view the front of the house, so i would want to use the first floor vantage points for as long as I could. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 4 2008, 12:31 AM EDT "The second floor should be a fallback not your primary...."If you give up that first floor, you can not win it back; The skin jobs will now have you trapped inside, and sooner or later they'll eitehr set fire to the building, forcing you to jump out into the hordes or stay inside and burn up, or to starve to death (becasue I doubt you're willing to jump out on your own). HOLD EVERYTHING; GIVE NOTHING. If you give ONE inch, you've lost everything. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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iamMetaluna iamMetaluna |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 4 2008, 12:06 PM EDT This is sound advise if you go the barricade route. Personally I've thought the barricade route is dangerous in and of itself unless you've got supplies that could last years and you're well defended. It just seems like an idea that can get you surrounded by an enormous horde after a while. This lends itself to the problem of becoming a target for a military strike. I've mentioned something like this before, but I don't think the armed forces would try to test the massive horde around a place with men and supplies for survivors that may or may not be there - if they have the ability to call down an air strike or use artillery on the entire area. The real possibility that sat weapon guidance systems may no longer be accessible compounds the issue with making the weapons less accurate. Do you find this valuable? |
 tebben |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 4 2008, 1:32 PM EDT One thing we all should take from Night of the Living Dead is that window barricades should be constructed from outside. Think about it, if you nail plywood up inside the house, and 5 or 6 zombies start pounding on it, they can push the nails right out of the wall, and fall right into your lap. But if you have them nailed to the outside of the window frame, they're pushing against the strength of the house. Yes, this will take time outside of the house, which could be dangerous, but it will provide SIGNIFICANTLY better defensibility. if you can have 1 or 2 people watch your back, this is definitely worth the risk. You will also be able to add support braces and extra layers from the inside. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 4 2008, 7:56 PM EDT "One thing we all should take from Night of the Living Dead is that window barricades should be constructed from outside."Not if you strong back it; Ladies, gentlemen, debatables- I learned to strongback as part of my damage control training at USCGC ACACIA; An ordinary mattress, properly strongbacked, can hold back 3,500 of 4,000 GPM at 100 of 150 PSI pressure. Now, if it can reduce the flow of water from “enough to sink a ship in about 20 minutes at enough pressure to cut a man in half” to “enough for the pumps top kee the water out at not enough pressure to cut a piece of paper”, ¿what chance do skin jobs have of breaking down the barricade? Meatluna- ¿Where are you gonna hold up for the few day rescuers need to find you if you don’t barricade? ¿A water tower? ¿A houseboat? Do you find this valuable? |
 dooran |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 4 2008, 8:04 PM EDT Yes, you have to fight. Running to a last line of defence is a bad idea in any fight. (Not that I have any experiance in this, it jsut seems like a stupid idea to leave no room to manouver) You could, however, retreat to the second floor in the event of overwhelming attacks, and simply use this to continue the good fight. You're probably screwed at this point, but that's no reason to not try thinning out the ranks for others. And perhaps you'll get lucky and they move on, or the horde is small enough for you to eventually exterminate, after which you can escape. You can never plan TO retreat, but plan FOR retreat. If you're screwed on the second floor, you're just as screwed as you would have been on the first. But where there's life, there is hope... Do you find this valuable? |
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elvenoutrider elvenoutrider |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 5 2008, 1:48 PM EDT im saying fight for the first floor but not having that second floor fallback is a bad idea., if you are overrun retreat. Do you find this valuable? |
 DaveBall |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 5 2008, 3:40 PM EDT We will keep the first floor as long as possible, but most of our supplies will be on the second floor. But unlike most I have thought of ways out. 1) Zip line from bed room balcony to pole barn second floor (also were vehicles are parked). 2) 2 emergency ladders, can be put in any window on any side of the house. The ladders I bought in case of fire. The Zip line works. I have used it to show off a few times. But I wont destroy the stare case. I will bring in a 4'x8' 1/2 inch mesh steel sheet. Screw it to the floor then put 2x4s on top and screw them in. It fits exactly over the stairway opening on the second floor. The holes are large enough to shoot threw. Do you find this valuable? |
 howidoit22 |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 5 2008, 5:31 PM EDT "Really, you don’t. Simply secure the first-floor windows and doors, and you CAN keep the skin jobs out.First I wont argue if you can hold it then hold it but..what if too many zeds show up. If you try to hold it when theres too many you will waste ammo if more and more by all the racket going on with show up any way. If you run out of ammo and your house is surrounded and they are breaking your barricades there would be no point in running around trying to hit them from every angle until you get surrounded. The second floor is good for a retreat. My second floor leads to the roof and my roof is high enough to where you need a ladder I can move my stuff up to the roof dispose of the ladder and wait it out. My roof also has a way down only used from the roof. I agree to hold the first floor but if you get too outnumbered there is no point in dieing when you could have another chance upstairs. Do you find this valuable? |
 BigBDave |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 5 2008, 8:13 PM EDT I don't have a second floor. I have an attick, and can climb out of the vent hole on the side. I bought an emergency ladder, just for that reason. Then its 20 feet to the pole barn. I am not counting on millions or thousands of skin jobs because I live out side of a small town. There's only 1200 people. I hope I'm not the only one left. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 6 2008, 1:30 PM EDT Let me ask you a question… You give up that first floor. Now what? Your trapped on the second floor (Dave’s got a couple of escape routes, but you go from the house, into the horde itself- proverbial pan to fire), or you hold the first floor until the skin jobs have set fire to the house, banging and crashing around down there (literal, pan to fire), or, by some miracle, someone shows up to kill off the skin jobs. Dooran’s got the only right idea for retreating, that is to thin out the ranks for others to escape- But martyrdom’s not my forte. Build your defenses properly, and they will not get in- Humans would have a hard enough time getting in, and they’re not brain damaged. (Folks, some of what I wrote was based on SWAT “Worst-Case Scenario” planning, though I did keep the good stuff to myself. Some of it was based on my experience as a sailor.) If you build your strongbacks properly, the skin jobs are NOT getting in, short of there being enough of them to simply knock the whole building down (ala those old silent films of the falling house, where the guy stands RIGHT IN the spot where the window lands). You may as well build it out of concrete, because your windows will be the strongest points. (Your doors are another issue, and if you want I’ll got over them.) Do you find this valuable? |
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DaveBall |
RE: ¡You don’t need to abandon the first floor!
Jun 8 2008, 8:00 PM EDT That's true but I have a starting group of over 30. The house we have selected to gather is 2 stories, but the second story has the same view in all ways as the first. Also I live 2 miles from the nearest house, and 6 miles from the closest town of 10,000 people. As a group we already on hand at any time have 4 times that in ammo. . With 27 ExMilitary ( 8 Marines, 6 Army, 4 Navy, and 9 National Guard) we should be able to stop the size of hoard we will get. I don't envy anyone stuck in or around a large city when/if it happens. The hoards in a major city will be Hundreds of Thousand and into th Millions. But we won't leave the first floor until we must and hopefully by the time we need to evacuate we can slim down the herd of skin jobs. Do you find this valuable? |
