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MajorRamski
MajorRamski
Radio
Jun 4 2008, 4:30 AM EDT
The internet would surely fall within the first few weeks/months, the real need is for people to obtain Shortwave or HAM radios for long distance communication to the other Living colonies around the world, A Shortwave Radio can (at the right time of day) travel half-way around the world! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Thrawn5
Thrawn5
RE: Radio
Jun 4 2008, 1:28 PM EDT
The internet will fall when the power goes down, there should be a way of preserving the data there so that we can start over.
Yes, everyone should get at least one of those radios, (and a license, it wont mean much but at least that way you are trained).
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CiberZSlayer
CiberZSlayer
RE: Radio
Jun 8 2008, 11:43 PM EDT
anser is simple save and print the entire websight
may be kinda expensive
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Thrawn5
Thrawn5
RE: Radio
Jun 10 2008, 8:16 PM EDT
If we were to print the entire website only one person (maybe two) could look at the site per copy.
also:
The Wiki is organized in a certain way, the links lead to pages that lead to pages, you cant do this with paper.
The paper could be destroyed by water (I am very careful with my paper documents and I STILL destroy at least 3 a year with water).
And yes, printing the website would cost a whole lot of money (unless someone else was covering the expenses, then you are just spreadin them out).
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Happyman0
Happyman0
RE: Radio
Jun 22 2008, 10:47 PM EDT
Why would the Internet fall in the first few months? Its not like its a dump truck, the Internet is a Series of Tubes and unless those tubes are destroyed it won't fall at all. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Azkeil
Azkeil
RE: Radio
Jul 14 2008, 9:29 AM EDT
Well, even if you are preplanning for this stuff, the world will go into chaos within the first few days. You see, even if you don't believe me, everyones mind is set into a certain example of the mind, and we all do something exactly programmed into our minds. Such as what I do, wake up, watch tv, eat, ect ect. So, if our lifes were to change, this does not mean we could instantly change to our new habitat, but we would most likely either lose it, because 1. Zombies are alive and killing, and 2. Our surroundings have changed, and everyone else is panicing. Its sorta like a domino effect, someone goes insane, someone else follows the example. Its going to get alot more complicated then how we make is seem. Just because we have what we need, doesn't mean we will know how to use it, or we will be able to use it properly. If the internet goes out, which most people inside the world use, the world will feel alone, even if people are around, and most people wouldn't be able to survive feeling that. You will feel dead to existance, and lonely, and believe that your god is tourchering you for what you have done. People will either kill themselves in the panic and sadness, or die by the masses of zombies. And we won't have the food to survive, if we cannot make it. So that means, we need to get what ever we can, and try to stay in a place that is away from accual cities, and away from hugely populated areas. We need to get every family member, so you will not feel like you made another loss. If you have the chance to contact a family member before you die, don't, it will only make them feel worse. Let them give up on you. You need to survive, and even if you have a large group with you, that does not mean you will survive, because another soldier, also means that its also another mouth to feed. It is also proven, that you can survive without food longer then water, so make sure you also carry water in your supplies. Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: Radio
Jul 14 2008, 9:59 PM EDT
"The internet would surely fall within the first few weeks/months…"
I submit to you that internet-equipped remote satellite trucks could keep the internet running at at least 9Ø% efficiency, even without satellites to bounce signals off of. One need only to redirect the signals from one truck to another (or, preferably, the dishes de-installed from the trucks and installed on towers, giving them 1,ØØØ% greater range). Keep in mind that all satellites are at LEAST 5Ø miles from the dish (the edge of the atmosphere), so they have at least that much range.

What parts of the vast information out there is salvaged will depend on what you can recover, or save beforehand. For example, I have saved on a stand-alone unit many pages of this site. If you recover that computer, you’re welcome to the pages (but only if you share with all).

Rebuilding the internet will like as not happen the same way it was originally built- One page and one image at a time, though now mostly focused on survival, less on commerce (mostly of a questionable legality or morality, and much of it both).
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MajorRamski
MajorRamski
RE: Radio
Jul 15 2008, 3:07 AM EDT
"Why would the Internet fall in the first few months? Its not like its a dump truck, the Internet is a Series of Tubes and unless those tubes are destroyed it won't fall at all."
I'm Pretty sure that the employees of your ISP are more concerned with the millions of Zombies than keeping the internet running for you!
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travisrichardson1980
travisrichardson1980
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski
Aug 6 2008, 3:04 PM EDT
i tend to agree. there's a lot more that goes in to maintaining the internet than simply "keeping up" communications.

snail mail and ham radio would be vital to communication, just as it was before the internet. society would have to wait for a lot of its infrastructure to be rebuilt (central power, phone and cable systems repairs) before internet would have much chance. besides, with the sheer number of people likely not to survive, i cannot guess how many would be left that actually COULD help rebuild the internet. lets face it. most of us geeks are not going to be survivors.

i hope to prove that wrong myself, but...
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski
Aug 6 2008, 4:17 PM EDT
"i hope to prove that wrong myself, but..."
I aredy did. (*whisper*) Twice.
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Azkeil
Azkeil
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski
Aug 6 2008, 8:24 PM EDT
Ok, I figured something out....why would we try to keep communications up if we were just going to have to deal with having someone else's death on our minds? Why not just stay in solitude bye yourself. If you have other people with you, just keep it as that. Make sure its a base that has enough food and water to last you. You can just spend the time, there, alone with them until the time comes. Make sure you got some where to practice your guns at just incase it happens. But, you shouldn't really depend on the idea that some one else could talk to you, and keep you company, because the odd's are that you both will die before you can meet eachother. It would be 2 vs millions, and those odds don't apease me. Its like 2/50,000 natural minimum. So why even take the chance? Why not just take as many out as possible from your roof. Kill them from a safe distance and stay alive. Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski
Aug 6 2008, 9:02 PM EDT
Amusing… But in case that was a serious comment, because trading for supplies, getting medical/fire support, etc will still be needed, probably moreso that ever before. Do you find this valuable?    
travisrichardson1980
travisrichardson1980
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 6 2008, 10:03 PM EDT
radio communications is not about making friends, it's about vital information, like REDDSON said. "moreso than ever before." definitely.

if the usefulness of radio communications during heavy crisis is not apparent to you, then i'm not going to write an essay to change your mind. the rest of us may find a use for it, though ;)
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The.Mad.Badger
The.Mad.Badger
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 9 2008, 3:56 AM EDT
im sure the topic was radio....... then i read Azkeil........think ill go to the roof and kill them from a safe distance.
................................sorry what were we atlking about?
ah radio! What about CB? I kinow the range is limited, but ive spoke clearly with a guy in Northern Ireland, and im in oxfordshire. thats about 450 miles as the crow flies.
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 9 2008, 1:48 PM EDT
Civilian Band radio (CB) is, in fact, listed on the Equipment page. I’d like to add Marine Band radio, but most people don’t even know it exists. Do you find this valuable?    
~Jack~
~Jack~
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 9 2008, 1:59 PM EDT
If we're going to use any sort of radio, it needs to be able to operate on any number of an extremely wide range of frequencies. Just to be safe.

It also doesn't hurt to learn mores (did I spell that right?) code, or at least have a book on how to decode it. No doubt people will start using it when they don't have access to a working microphone, or something. :P

or something to that effect.
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MajorRamski
MajorRamski
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 9 2008, 6:55 PM EDT
I Have 2 CB's and a Marine Radio, Unfortunately I don't have a HAM.
The Microphones on all three are very durable and are also interchangeable, but it would be a smart idea to learn, or have some way of decoding Morse (I Spelled it right! =P) code.
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crowleyj
crowleyj
RE: Radio >>MajorRamski >>azkeil
Aug 9 2008, 9:56 PM EDT
I have a couple of CB's and booster all peaked an tune by a shop plus some walkie talkies. the basic stuff. But as you talk about ham systems then things start getting complicated. I am currently looking into getting some both mobile an stationary but the choices are wide an varried. some like this an some like that while others hate both? what to choose is hard any advice or opinions? If so model, make , an cost would be welcome. Do you find this valuable?    
The.Mad.Badger
The.Mad.Badger
RE: Radio
Aug 10 2008, 4:10 AM EDT
lets face it, post z day, you will be keeping any sort of radio you can get your hands on. CB, Ham, marine band, airband, Walkie talkies from radio shack, string and two cans. if youve got a cb and everone else is on ham.....all youve got is a brick really! Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: Radio
Aug 10 2008, 2:24 PM EDT
"if youve got a cb and everone else is on ham.....all youve got is a brick really!"
Which is why you need more than one option.;)
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