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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
On the note of poisons.
Jun 18 2008, 11:11 PM EDT
Poisons can be either completly useless, or a giant help in a Zombie infestation. This relys on the fact whether a zombie's heart circulates blood or not. IF it does (which would mean they would bleed if wounded) then any sort of poison could be effective against them. A poison that would normally kill a man should be completly inefective against the zombies even if they do have circulating blood, but if you engineered your own muscle relaxers with everyday medicine it could be a deadly weapons. One of these would contract all the muscles of a Zed and cause them to either slow down or completely collapse, considering they used to be just like us it should in theory work.

Now even if the poisons didnt work on zeds they could still be used on humans if needed.

Any ideas on the subject?
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Biohazardouswithin
Biohazardouswithin
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jun 19 2008, 12:36 AM EDT
I'm gonna say that they would be entirely ineffective, because a Zombie isn't alive. It's flesh and cells are all dead, also meaning that the nerves are all dead. There are no responses to pain, or anything else. Poison would be like administering water to a rock. A mobile rock, but a rock regardless.

And if, based on all fictional accounts, the head is the only way to stop them, the heart is useless. If the heart is useless, then it doesn't pump. If it doesn't pump it won't dose out the poison to the rest of the body, and then you're back to step one.
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jun 19 2008, 2:52 AM EDT
"I'm gonna say that they would be entirely ineffective, because a Zombie isn't alive. It's flesh and cells are all dead, also meaning that the nerves are all dead. There are no responses to pain, or anything else. Poison would be like administering water to a rock. A mobile rock, but a rock regardless.

And if, based on all fictional accounts, the head is the only way to stop them, the heart is useless. If the heart is useless, then it doesn't pump. If it doesn't pump it won't dose out the poison to the rest of the body, and then you're back to step one."
Well In most zombie movies you will see blood spurt out when shot./slashed. This shows the heart is still functioning slightly, although this might not be true. I wouldnt go as far to say that the flesh/cells are DEAD, in the early stages of infection they should still be up and functioning. I believe like Mr. Brooks, that a zombie isnt a revived human, just an "altered" human (as the most common explanation for zombies is some sort of virus which would only be effective if they were kept alive for it to work otherwise you just have a meat puppet). I honestly dont think poison would work on a zombie, but if you created something that targeted the muscles/brain of a zombie it "could" be very effective...

Im not supporting the idea(it could very well kill you) im just saying its a possibility.
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Dealer_of_undeath
Dealer_of_undeath
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 1 2008, 1:07 AM EDT
well either way original-sin has a point on the statement of use against other humans. Human society will completely fall apart and thus a defensive counter measure will be useful. But if need be arming people with urban assalt shields and going into a phalanx maybe useful for close quarters combat (without firearms.) The reasoning behind this is that at that range leathal head jabs would be possible with a highly reduced risk of bites. though this is a last ditched effort tactic not to be used unless absolutely needed. Do you find this valuable?    
Dealer_of_undeath
Dealer_of_undeath
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 1 2008, 1:10 AM EDT
And the second part about the phalanx is for a fight against the zeds. Do you find this valuable?    
Ventanator
Ventanator
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 1 2008, 3:47 PM EDT
"Poisons can be either completly useless, or a giant help in a Zombie infestation. This relys on the fact whether a zombie's heart circulates blood or not. IF it does (which would mean they would bleed if wounded) then any sort of poison could be effective against them. A poison that would normally kill a man should be completly inefective against the zombies even if they do have circulating blood, but if you engineered your own muscle relaxers with everyday medicine it could be a deadly weapons. One of these would contract all the muscles of a Zed and cause them to either slow down or completely collapse, considering they used to be just like us it should in theory work.

Now even if the poisons didnt work on zeds they could still be used on humans if needed.

Any ideas on the subject?"
Oh hell yeah. I've never thought about muscle relaxers. Shoot a zombie up with some Flexorel and watch him tumble.
It seems like it would work, if it can move its muscles there has to be a way to stop them.

Oh yeah...new ideas are a perculating...
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dooran
dooran
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 1 2008, 11:18 PM EDT
Well, if you were using poison, you would need to use a neuro-toxin, something that will target the nerves and the brain. This keeps with the "Kill the brain, kill the zombie" motto that seems to keep springing up. Do you find this valuable?    
Ventanator
Ventanator
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 2 2008, 10:43 AM EDT
"Well, if you were using poison, you would need to use a neuro-toxin, something that will target the nerves and the brain. This keeps with the "Kill the brain, kill the zombie" motto that seems to keep springing up."
It also depends on how a zeds circulatory system and respiratory system works. If they don't breath and their heart doesn't pump, no kind of poison is going to do anything.
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dooran
dooran
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 2 2008, 9:46 PM EDT
If they don't breathe and their heart doesn't pump, their muscles wouldn't work. But that's another arguement. Do you find this valuable?    
Ventanator
Ventanator
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 2 2008, 11:18 PM EDT
"If they don't breathe and their heart doesn't pump, their muscles wouldn't work. But that's another arguement."
Toche. However the hell you spell that.
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Happyman0
Happyman0
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 3 2008, 8:39 PM EDT
I don't think a neurotoxin would do the trick, it'd probably take a rediculous amount considering all the dead nerves. If the heart is beating I'd go for a nercotoxin, if you'll excuse the irony, because it would Kill the heart and brain and you wouldn't have to deal with choppin' paralyzed ones up. You could also tip a bullet with it.

P.S. Nercotoxins are easier to make then neurotoxins
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BIA!
BIA!
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 9 2008, 3:12 AM EDT
Maybe...
Using chemo-therapy as a way to immobilize and/or kill zombies?

I'm not very well versed in studying cancer or any sort of radiation, but doesn't cancer create and multiply dead cells? If it does, and this is a long shot, but If the cancer had progressed far enough, (depending on the bodily functions of the zombie), the tumor/s would become so big it would either destroy it or at least immobilize it.

Then again, I've always been a big fan of just clubbing then with a bat. :D
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
RE: On the note of poisons.
Jul 9 2008, 6:18 AM EDT
…Might I suggest…
Testing the exact OPPOSITE of a muscle relaxer, a tensing agent (although, since I’m not a doctor, I can’t say much more than that)…
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