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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
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Jun 23 2008, 2:25 AM EDT
Personally, if I had a stronghold ready I could see myself taking on a pregnant woman to my group... only if we had enough food and supplies on hand to handle one though. What do you guys think about the subject? 10  out of 11 found this valuable. Do you?    
Biohazardouswithin
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Jun 23 2008, 4:23 AM EDT
Yeah... I'm pretty sure I'm not going to turn a pregnant woman away. Only if she were infected would I turn her away. I just couldn't do it.

As for preparation for such things: People were having children thousands of years before Z-day, and we can do it afterwards just as well. Cleanliness will be our only worry.
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Zombologist
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Jun 23 2008, 1:10 PM EDT
I think it also depends on how pregnant she is- I mean, if she was only a monh or two pregnant, I think I'd be more likely to let her in. If my group was on the move, I'd rather have a newly pregnant woman wih us rather than a lady about to burst- not only for the sake of moving easily, but for the kid's sake. It can't be good for the mom to be so stressed that late in the pregnancy. If we had a good clean base though, and were secure for a long period of time, then sure, I'd take a pregnant woman in- regardless of what stage she was at.

As for the child/mom infection thing, I'd think the baby would be infected- if the virus was Solanum. It would spread throughout the mom from the bite, and therefore into the baby, as long as it has a developed brain. Now, birthing the baby would be a different matter- it would depend upon if the mother is reanimated at the time of birth or not. If not, the child would be born at the stage the moher is -sick- and would go into a coma and reanimate. If the mother had reanimated, I suspect she wouldn't care about the birth, and it would either have the child unknowingly with out help, who would then probably be dragged around by the cord until it severed, leaving a decaying zombie baby alone in some corner unable to move and to prey on hobos.
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Gummbearyyz
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Jun 24 2008, 1:01 AM EDT
personally, if we were on the run, I'd give her a gun, hot-wire a car for her (read the anarchists cookbook for instructions how) and tell her to keep up, I'm not going to slow down me and my team possibly endangering their lives for one woman, if I had a base set up with ample food, weapons, like a place where we're gonna stay for a long while then yeah I'd welcome her with open arms, (fyi if she were infected I'd tie her down and wait for the baby to see if the baby will come out infected (for future reference)) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
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Jun 24 2008, 4:42 PM EDT

I don't care how pregnant she is, I'm taking her. Laura ROSLIN (Mary McDONNELL) so pointedly put it with her famous line, "If we are to survive as a species we need to get the hell out of there and start making babies."
I know it will be critically stressful; The mere stress of being pregnant can kill (rare, but it happens). But being surrounded by millions of brain dead cannibals will be infinitely MORE stressful, and she will surely die- Or be bitten, bringing TWO skinjobs into the world. I must simply do whatever (great or little) I can to reduce her stress and keep her alive- And unbitten.
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Original-Sin
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Jun 25 2008, 12:11 AM EDT
You bring up good points Andering J REDDSON. I thought about the mother/child infection thing, but never to the extent that leaving her would just bring another two zombies we would have to take care of. later. Having a child born in a zombie world will bring up morale and then they can use them to breed the perfect soldier. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
LostInSeattle3
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Jun 25 2008, 1:26 AM EDT
Like almost everyone has stated, if I had the resources yea, I would take on a pregnant chick. Heck, I think if I found her out there and she wasn't infected no matter what I'd take her in. Not for the sake of her, but the sake of the child. If she's far enough in her pregnancy to where the child could be born soon, that's just another person we have in the fight against "them". (Whether or not it takes a few years to teach a child to hold a gun is a different matter.) Pretty much just like you said.

Also, I'd want to be 100% sure that I could give her at least adequate medical help, just in case.
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MichaelRiley
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Jun 25 2008, 2:30 AM EDT
I would, providing she was not bitten.
But here's a frightening concept.
A frightening concept that I just might write a story about one day, so don't steal my idea :D
Say a woman had intercourse with her husband after he had been bitten, obviously before anybody knew what being bitten meant (you turn into a zombie of course).
This is plausible, her husband had a rough day at work, got bitten by some crazy guy (if he worked at a hospital for example, or just on the way home), and yeah, makes her husband feel better by having sex with him.
Now on the really unlucky chance she became pregnant, is it possible that the virus can be transmitted sexually?

Obviously this sounds farfetched with the solanum virus, which would most likely kill the baby before it could develop into a proper foetus and stop it's growth (if not render the man sterile before killing and reanimating him-which makes me hate this virus more haha)
BUT for the sake of this scenario, let's assume it's some other virus.

The woman ends up with some kind of unborn zombie baby inside of her, which is pretty weird stuff.
I think it's safe to say the baby couldn't bite anybody (no teeth yet) but yeah, still a zombie.

This is a pretty far out unlikely circumstance, but just for the hell of it, what would happen do you think?
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Andering_J_REDDSON
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Jun 25 2008, 3:28 AM EDT
First, don't ever mention solanum around me again. That was a joke book. Not a survival guide.

Second- Treat her like you would any other potentially infected person, regardless what stage of pregnancy she's in, until you absolutely know what the infective variables (vestors, incubation, etc) are.

A good point, and thank you for bringing it up (and scaring us even more).
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LostInSeattle3
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Jun 25 2008, 3:29 AM EDT
"I would, providing she was not bitten.
But here's a frightening concept.
A frightening concept that I just might write a story about one day, so don't steal my idea :D
Say a woman had intercourse with her husband after he had been bitten, obviously before anybody knew what being bitten meant (you turn into a zombie of course).
This is plausible, her husband had a rough day at work, got bitten by some crazy guy (if he worked at a hospital for example, or just on the way home), and yeah, makes her husband feel better by having sex with him.
Now on the really unlucky chance she became pregnant, is it possible that the virus can be transmitted sexually?

Obviously this sounds farfetched with the solanum virus, which would most likely kill the baby before it could develop into a proper foetus and stop it's growth (if not render the man sterile before killing and reanimating him-which makes me hate this virus more haha)
BUT for the sake of this scenario, let's assume it's some other virus.

The woman ends up with some kind of unborn zombie baby inside of her, which is pretty weird stuff.
I think it's safe to say the baby couldn't bite anybody (no teeth yet) but yeah, still a zombie.

This is a pretty far out unlikely circumstance, but just for the hell of it, what would happen do you think?"
I'd frankly be a little be grossed out.
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Original-Sin
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Jun 25 2008, 5:42 AM EDT
Well in almost every zombie piece of fiction out there the 'virus', or what-have-you, is transmitted through direct fluid contact (blood, saliva, etc). It is very possible that a man who was bitten and has not yet turned could have created an infected baby, the question is... would the act of unprotected intercourse turn the woman into a ZED aswell? Saftey should always be first priority though. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
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Jun 25 2008, 2:10 PM EDT
"LostInSeattle3: I'd frankly be a little be grossed out.

Original-Sin: Well in almost every zombie piece of fiction out there the 'virus', or what-have-you, is transmitted through direct fluid contact (blood, saliva, etc). It is very possible that a man who was bitten and has not yet turned could have created an infected baby, the question is... would the act of unprotected intercourse turn the woman into a ZED aswell?"
LostInSeattle3: You’re very forgiving. I’d be freaked out and start killing people. Possibly at random.

Original-Sin: It’s not implausible, theoretical or otherwise.
However, I suspect that, by the time she came to term, you would know, for sure and certain, if she’s infected or not. If she is, take a mallet to the back of her skull (don’t waste bullets) and cleanse the world of two skinjobs at the same time.;)
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66asjz66

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Jun 25 2008, 4:14 PM EDT
If the woman is bit than yes the baby would turn into a zed too :S but i would only if i had a stronghold with farming and tons of survivors and food and stuff like that 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Zombologist
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Jun 25 2008, 5:26 PM EDT
"It is very possible that a man who was bitten and has not yet turned could have created an infected baby, the question is... would the act of unprotected intercourse turn the woman into a ZED aswell?"
I think that yes, the man would probably infect the woman (I'm not sure if you can pass on the disease before reanimating. I would hope so, considering it acually plays a part in my story ((READ IT!))), but would be unable to produce a zombie baby able to actually survive- here's my reasoning...

Zombies need a brain. That's the only real restriction they have, so the mother would have reanimated, killing the undeveloped child before it had a brain to be a zombie with. Also- if there was somehow a zombie baby, it would be difficul for it to ransmit the disease. It has no teeth, and cannot bite, sure it drools, but who's gonna drink spi from a zombie baby? It's not like the kid can grow teeth, it can't grow at all. It can't even pursue victims because it doesn't have the muscle power. It would, like I said, just rot away insome corner.
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ecohippie
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Jun 25 2008, 11:39 PM EDT
I say, use protechtion! no one wants another zombie bait running around! can't we all just wait to repopulate untill the zombies are gone? besides, if it comes down to trying to repopulate the earth before the zombies outnumber us, we're screwed. It takes us nine months for one birth, it takes a zombie a matter of minutes to infect ten people. yeah, we're pretty much screwed in the case of a class 4 zombie attack. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Original-Sin
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Jun 26 2008, 3:04 AM EDT
You have to remember aswell, even when you do have a nice and secure stronghold up and running, with a handfull of survivors..taking on a pregnant woman is still going to be a hassle. Not only are you going to have to moniter her constantly in her later stages, you will have to have people on hand for her all around the clock. What im trying to say, is your losing more than just one pair of hands... 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
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Jun 26 2008, 2:43 PM EDT
"You have to remember aswell, even when you do have a nice and secure stronghold up and running, with a handfull of survivors..taking on a pregnant woman is still going to be a hassle. Not only are you going to have to moniter her constantly in her later stages, you will have to have people on hand for her all around the clock. What im trying to say, is your losing more than just one pair of hands..."
¿How can you two seriously be so hard-hearted?
Very well…
You will need babies to repopulate the earth, whether or not the skinjobs die off on their own (which, BTW, is not only never addressed in the positive, but oft-times negative, and which I doubt for scientific reasons). You will need babies, lots of them, to fill the ranks of the new armies of skinjob hunter/killer teams, the scavs, even the guardians on the walls, even, yes, the plumbers and butchers and bakers to feed them.
Turning out a woman because she is pregnant and it’s “not convenient” to you, because it’s too much “hassle”, because you’re going to have to take care of her and that means you might actually have to WORK for a living, is the damnation of humanity.
Ok, sure- She’s pregnant. That means you won’t be able to knock her up for a while. GET OVER IT. Because you have two choices: Take the pregnant woman, save her (and her child) and maybe even receive her thanks, or turn her out- And be forced to deal with both her, and the child, when it is birthed.
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Original-Sin
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Jun 27 2008, 12:01 AM EDT
"¿How can you two seriously be so hard-hearted?
Very well…
You will need babies to repopulate the earth, whether or not the skinjobs die off on their own (which, BTW, is not only never addressed in the positive, but oft-times negative, and which I doubt for scientific reasons). You will need babies, lots of them, to fill the ranks of the new armies of skinjob hunter/killer teams, the scavs, even the guardians on the walls, even, yes, the plumbers and butchers and bakers to feed them.
Turning out a woman because she is pregnant and it’s “not convenient” to you, because it’s too much “hassle”, because you’re going to have to take care of her and that means you might actually have to WORK for a living, is the damnation of humanity.
Ok, sure- She’s pregnant. That means you won’t be able to knock her up for a while. GET OVER IT. Because you have two choices: Take the pregnant woman, save her (and her child) and maybe even receive her thanks, or turn her out- And be forced to deal with both her, and the child, when it is birthed."
Oh im not trying to advocate that you should turn down any pregnant women you come across, im endorsing you should take them in. Im just trying to get people to think of things other than the happy rain of sunshines you gain from taking one in. I think that even if your have yourself and three other survivors (incredibly small group), one of us on call the whole time and the others taking shifts doing other jobs would still benifit. Not only do you gain the mother after she births, but the baby can be raised in a Zombie world... most people would think this horrible, but it's the best thing that could happen to it. A infant on the run with family will die within seconds once the zombies arise to class 2 or 3... but a infant born in a 'safe' enfviroment during the ZED outbreak can be raised as the perfect soldier, raised not to fear the Skin Jobs.. but to hate them (only to an extent).

Also, I dont think you meant it in this way, but you called me 'hard-hearted' and you said ;
"Ok, sure- She’s pregnant. That means you won’t be able to knock her up for a while"
This is implying that you think women will only be a tool meant for reproduction (atleast thats how I took it). Which I certainly havn't suggested in any of my writings on this Wiki. Sorry if it sounds rude, im not trying to be... hard to change the TONE of one's own writing.
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Andering_J_REDDSON
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Jun 27 2008, 2:19 AM EDT
"Im just trying to get people to think of things other than the happy rain of sunshines you gain from taking one in.

This is implying that you think women will only be a tool meant for reproduction (atleast thats how I took it)."
Part One: Ah. I see, and stand corrected.
Part Two: Actually that was more or less directed at someone else (echohippie and others that seem not to want to be ‘bothered’ with a pregnant woman).

And for those of you who think along those lines- Your mother was pregnant once. Remeber that, as you choose what to do.
Don’t worry about “resources” (food, shelter, etc) THIS SECOND, worry, for now, about getting her out of harms way. The rest WILL work itself out, trust in that.
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Original-Sin
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Jun 27 2008, 3:43 AM EDT
"Part One: Ah. I see, and stand corrected.
Part Two: Actually that was more or less directed at someone else (echohippie and others that seem not to want to be ‘bothered’ with a pregnant woman).

And for those of you who think along those lines- Your mother was pregnant once. Remeber that, as you choose what to do.
Don’t worry about “resources” (food, shelter, etc) THIS SECOND, worry, for now, about getting her out of harms way. The rest WILL work itself out, trust in that."
Indeed. I can understand how you and others should be more worried about their well being first. Although Pregnant women can also be a threat to your other survivors. They tend to eat more food, move alot slower (depending on how far along they are, but if its noticable they certainly are going to be a little slower), and are harder to transport (ever try to get a pregnant woman about to burst on a bicycle... or even in a car?) When you accept a pregnant woman you are endangering your entire group for a short time.

On the plus side for accepting a pregnant woman are:
-After a few years It is almost as good as finding two unbitten survivors (providing she is unbitten)
-She can be assigned to more menial tasks that other survivors, which are more applicable at other things can then ignore and work on something more important to you survival.
-The child can be raised to learn survival tips and fighting techniques to become the perfect survivor.
-The majority of pregnant women are between 20 and 40. These ages should have the greatest chances to survive.

There are still alot of ups and downs to this scenario, either way... if they are unbitten then take them in... unless you just saw them murder like 6 perfectly fine survivors... but thats a given
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