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steveo_justice |
Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jun 23 2008, 12:42 PM EDT
I had an interesting thought a while ago. The premise of a zombie is that it is undead -- or being biologically dead, but behaving physically as a living organism. My thought was that because the "zombies" in 28 days/weeks fulfilled many of the characteristics of life, and that it is revealed in the end of 28 weeks that zombiism may be reversable, unlike death, then they may not be zombies after all. For example, they are supposed to starve to death after 5 weeks, which implies that they require food and water for something. Food in normal humans is used for cell regeneration, so the 28 days zombies would need to heal, grow, and develop. Tell me what you think.
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Monolith666 |
1. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 3 2008, 10:43 AM EDT
Well it only took about 30 secounds after infection for them to turn. and you can't get anywhere near them. SO the cure might not even work, and trying to deliver it forget it.
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The_Professional |
2. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 25 2008, 6:03 PM EDT
If you watch the special features of 28 Days Later there is a storyboard of an alternate ending that never got used. Basicaly, what happened was the characters arrived at the facility where the virus spawned. The father was infected and instead of being killed he was bound and gagged till they found someway treat him. Well they find a guy locked in a panic room who tells them that there is a way to cure the virus. A complete blood trasnfusion of the affected and a compatible donor. The only person who has a compatible blood type is the main character. So he trades blood with the father and is left strapped to a table screaming like the Rager he has become. Then they mourn the loss of their friend as they enter the panic room. They didn't use this b/c they thought it was too unreasonable that a single drop of blood could affect you but all your blood had to be drained to be cured. As for whether or not they count as zombies I think they do. Zombies have been changing for decades, its just another spin of the genere. Like Stephen King's "Cell". THey aren't dead but they behave all in the same manner as zombies. I think of them as the inbetween creature of dead zombie and voodoo zombie. A voodoo zombie doesn't die first they are just created. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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steveo_justice |
3. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 26 2008, 3:17 AM EDT
So you're basically saying no, they're not zombies bevause they're not dead, but they otherwise behave a lot like them. 95% of all zombie lore says they are dead/undead, though, so I think they do have to be truly dead to count as Zs. Perhaps an official wiki-wide definition of a zombie is in order. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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The_Professional |
4. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 26 2008, 9:02 AM EDT
Ok I was wrong about the voodoo zombie. Here is the merriam-webster definition: Main Entry: zom·bie Listen to the pronunciation of zombie Variant(s): also zom·bi Listen to the pronunciation of zombi \ˈzäm-bē\ Function: noun Etymology: Louisiana Creole or Haitian Creole zonbi, of Bantu origin; akin to Kimbundu nzúmbe ghost Date: circa 1871 1usually zombi a: the supernatural power that according to voodoo belief may enter into and reanimate a dead body b: a will-less and speechless human in the West Indies capable only of automatic movement who is held to have died and been supernaturally reanimated2 a: a person held to resemble the so-called walking dead; especially : automaton b: a person markedly strange in appearance or behavior3: a mixed drink made of several kinds of rum, liqueur, and fruit juice — zom·bie·like Listen to the pronunciation of zombielike \-bē-ˌlīk\ adjective According to the definition under "automaton b: a person markedly strange in appearance or behavior" so by definition they technically fall into the zombie category. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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steveo_justice |
5. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 26 2008, 10:15 PM EDT
This is true. However, voodou zombies do exist, and are generally not dead when they are "reanimated." Medicall science is still not sure whether it is possible to reanimate a truly dead person via voodou. The material used in voodou zombification is realy a neurotoxin that harms the brain to a point of zombie-like behavior, which is in its first stages easily mistakable for death.This is besides the point, however -- scince it is impossible to revive someone from death with just a blood transfusion (if they were dead the blood would be doing nothing anyway, and therefore could not revive the body), what you say is in my opinion further proof that the creatures in 28 days/weeks are not zombies. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
akasha4986 |
6. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 27 2008, 12:58 AM EDT
The "traditional" zombie is reanimated dead flesh, but after seeing the actual definition of zombie(gotta love that Webster), I suppose that the "zombies" in 28 Days Later do fall under that category. I do agree grudgingly though...
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The_Professional |
7. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 27 2008, 7:52 AM EDT
"2 a: a person held to resemble the so-called walking dead; especially : automaton b: a person markedly strange in appearance or behaviorThe dictionary definition states that we are both correct. I respect your opinion but look at this: in 28 Days later they look and act like the living dead, or to use a comparison, they resemble the zombies from Dawn of the Dead. Really if you look at both creatures there is no difference in appearance or behavior. When you mentioned a wiki-wide definition for zombie I think that this could be it. Wouldn't you prepare for these Ragers like any other creature you call zombie? They still have to be shot in the head to go down for good. They still infect you by biting you or just breaking the skin. Blood transfusion? I was just talking about the movie itself because monolith666 mentioned that a cure would be too difficult to administer. It just sounded like he/she hadn't seen the alt ending. I wasn't trying to make a point with it just sharing movie trivia. : ) 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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steveo_justice |
8. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 27 2008, 3:25 PM EDT
It occurs to me now, though; the 28 days/weeks zombies could run, swim, interact with objects, and even knew "weak spots" so to speak in normal humans. For example, the scene in 28 weeks where the celtic dude sticks his thumbs down his wife's eye sockets shows a very high level of cognitive function (for a zombie), and the fact that he killed her and went on a rampage instead of just eating her straight up shows that the zombie's first instinct was to kill shit and not eat, which is the most fundamental (and cliche) drive of a zombie.'The fact that they can run and know how to swim also shows a high level of coordination (again, high for a zombie). The Survival Guide (if you haven't read it, you shouldn't belong to the wiki) specifically cites these things as evidence of these creatures not being true zombies. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
dominickmagas |
9. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 27 2008, 5:26 PM EDT
for all intensive purposes, let's just classify them as zombies, because you can't talk them down, they can't be reasoned with, an they want to trear your limbs out
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The_Professional |
10. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Jul 27 2008, 10:29 PM EDT
What about the zombies from land of the dead? They demonstrated the ability to learn and concern for others of their own kind. They even mimicked actions from their lives when they were once alive. They too demonstrated high levels of cognitive function. They even figured out that they didn't need to breathe so that they could travel under the river to reach the humans. These zombies come from the genre of the typical zombie. Hell, they were created by the master of zombies George Romero.I have read the the guide cover to cover multiple times. Whether someone has read it or not doesn't mean they shouldn't be here. They are the opinions of a comedy writer for SNL. The whole book is a parody of the genre...the "virus" he mentions is actually just a plant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanum 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
zombie_killer_j |
11. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Oct 15 2008, 7:42 AM EDT
no. they were not actual zombies in that movie. they only want to kill you, not eat you.
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steveo_justice |
12. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Oct 15 2008, 9:50 AM EDT
"for all intensive purposes,"Intents AND purposes. FYI. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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steveo_justice |
13. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Oct 15 2008, 9:52 AM EDT
"for all intensive purposes, let's just classify them as zombies, because you can't talk them down, they can't be reasoned with, an they want to trear your limbs out"I know, I already looked it up. A while ago, actually, but then my email screwed up and unwatched this thread. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Navsubet |
14. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 14 2009, 12:31 PM EDT
So I am watching 28 weeks later right now, and either they made a flaw when making the movie or the infected actually do become full on living dead zombies, not just infected with a virus. Here's the reason for my assumption.Ok so the scene where the heli pilot chops a ton of them into pieces, well right after it shows severed heads still snapping, torsos cut off at the guy still crawling and snapping,one of them is even walk/running with 2/3s of his torso missing (from the looks of it he doesn't even have his spine intact in that area, in case you want to see him, it is a infected soldier in cammies right after the heli sceen.) Just a thought. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Navsubet |
15. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 14 2009, 12:33 PM EDT
All above being said, if they were simply infected, anything that would kill a human would kill them (IE head not being attached, guts ripped out)Also, did anyone else find it annoying how the father kept showing up out of nowhere, miles and miles from the last place you saw him, even in the tunnel that they drove for some distance to via car. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
inu-dude25 |
16. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 14 2009, 1:30 PM EDT
There were several flaws in the movies, though they are still great to watch. The biggest thing is, how does the dad turn two seconds after a single drop of blood hits him in the eye? It's impossible for the infection to have circulated that fast, and the fact that the zombies are still susceptible to gun shots to the torso so I guess they aren't traditional zombies.
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sblast1919 |
17. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 14 2009, 4:25 PM EDT
the "zombies" in 28 days are not zombies only infected humans. this to me is far scarier than you typical zombie. They move like humans-fast, smart, ect. when the night zombies are slow and stupid. The movie quarantine have similar zombies. they can open doors, and problem solve. another great movie with "smart zombies" is against the dark. They actually will talk to you, scary as hell! one scene in Against -a new a zombie is telling steven segal (yes I said steven segal) " he are the next step of evolution, we plan and hunt " man that scared the crap out of me!
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Popo_G |
18. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 31 2009, 2:47 AM EDT
Hi All! I'm new and would like to chime in to introduce myself (I'm a bit of a Romero purist) and also add to the conversation.When I first watched 28 days, I got mad. They did not meet my criteria for classic zombies. Aside from the scene Navsubet mentioned, I believe they were alive. They were infected with the rage which made them kill. I didn't see them eat their victims. They also starved after awhile and died (scene on highlands bridge of infected dying). Hence the name 28 days later since people cannot survive without food more than 28 days. After adjusting my expectations, I enjoyed the new sister genre. The use of Zombie in this thread I think causes the confusion with the definition. A better word maybe we should use is Living Dead or LD. There are 2 key identifiers that are unique and further separate the Living Dead from Rage infected in 28 days. 1) With Living Dead, reanimation can only occur if the victim is alive to spread the infection through normal blood circulation in the body, almost like supercharged AIDS. The virus eventually takes their life and that's when they turn. Rage infects through bites, puking, blood, etc. but they do not require a head shot or brain damage only to be killed. Rage zombies can be killed with a chest shot. I think the scene mentioned earlier would be similar to walking wounded in war. I'd bet they didn't leave that field to pursue the kids. Do you find this valuable? |
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Popo_G |
19. RE: Are there actually any zombies in 28 days/weeks later?
Mar 31 2009, 2:47 AM EDT
2)The Living Dead don't eat to survive. All that remains after death of their brain is the primal core. They follow the most basic instincts to hunt and eat. They do feed and will continue long after their stomachs burst. Like I mentioned earlier, I don't recall the rage infected eating their victims, just brutality. If their victims are killed, they don't return as infected. The mother in 28 weeks later was infected and although she didn't get violent, she stayed dead. Also, all the people in the plaza that got shot, once they went down they stayed down. The rage infected ignored them. Of course in Land of the Dead, the LD had higher brain functionality but that's usually not the case. In the 2004 Dawn of the Dead, LD also ran (scared the hell outta me) which was a first. I guess we'll have to see what Island of the Dead portrays them. Will they be smart? Fast? Something new? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
