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Happyman0
Happyman0
Drugs?!
Jun 25 2008, 8:06 PM EDT
Could Drugs be used to take out zombies?
I'm thinking psychedelic drugs. Like how marijuana is a super strong psychedelic to animals but not to people, so any ideas on zombies drugs resistance and if we could use drugs to incapacitate them.
And what about sedatives like China White, I know Russia uses it as a knockout gas, would it be effective on zombies?
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CampinCarl217
CampinCarl217
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Jun 25 2008, 10:56 PM EDT
i dont know i mean a zombie only has the basest functions of the brain if any at all so im thinking no unless you have enpugh drugs to totally dissolve the brains. Do you find this valuable?    
ecohippie
ecohippie
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 25 2008, 11:32 PM EDT
As far as I know, every ounce of zombie literature has lead us to believe zombies are incapable of any and all functions humans are capable of. be it "virus zombies" "hell is full so the dead walk the earth zombies" or genetically engeneered, the idea is they are mindless therefore psychedellic drugs would be useless...however hold on to that stash cause when the hordes of the living dead come knocking at your door, your gonna want something to take the edge off lol. Good theory though. Do you find this valuable?    
Original-Sin
Original-Sin
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 26 2008, 3:33 AM EDT
I dont think normal drugs will do any goood, although in another article I posted on this site I came up with a theory. Through use of any method, be it blow dart, anestethic round (tranq gun anyone?), or just stabbing with a syringe you could get a drug I've designed into the zombies body. Assuming the heart is still functioning (if they bleed it is pumping) then my drug will work. My idea is that a mixture of muscle relaxers and other nerve/tissue altering substances would completly lock down all movements of a zombie, if only for a short while. I base my theory on what I know from human trials (no, not on myself... but done in actual labs). The muscle relaxer mix would cause the muscles of the ZEDS to 'freeze up', for lack of a better term, rendering them motionless. The mixture could be made out of over-the-counter drugs and can be effective on humans aswell (as long as you dont O.D. them). Do you find this valuable?    
Happyman0
Happyman0
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Jun 26 2008, 3:32 PM EDT
Well what about non normal drugs like ethylene for example of non-organics (sodium bromide)? Would those do the trick? Do you find this valuable?    
Original-Sin
Original-Sin
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Jun 27 2008, 12:07 AM EDT
"Well what about non normal drugs like ethylene for example of non-organics (sodium bromide)? Would those do the trick?"
Sodium Bromide is not a bad idea. I dabble in chemistry and sodium bromide could be used to completly shut down the nervous system and their brain...if you could get them to inhale it (requiring their lungs to work) or if you can get them to swallow it. Either way youll need a large ammount of it... but its not that hard to get a hold of.
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residentmagnum
residentmagnum
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 27 2008, 1:59 AM EDT
I don't think any drug would work
Zombies have basic motor functions
the internal organs don't work this is common knowledge that is found in almost every zombie movie
also many zombies have lost most of their blood as their throat was ripped out or other grusom death

No blood, no working heart, the brain barly works
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 27 2008, 3:50 AM EDT
"I don't think any drug would work
Zombies have basic motor functions
the internal organs don't work this is common knowledge that is found in almost every zombie movie
also many zombies have lost most of their blood as their throat was ripped out or other grusom death

No blood, no working heart, the brain barly works"
Oh Contrare...Many zombies can be seen gasping for air (not normal breathing as the actor is doing to stay alive) which shows working lungs. EVERY zombie is seen spurting blood when wounded (indicates a heart circulating blood), considering they didnt actually shoot/stab the actors I think this is a good sign. We DONT KNOW how well the brain of a Zombie works... all we know is what is given to use in FICTION, even what I just stated, considering this wiki is devouted to those works of fiction though I reserve my right to speak freely as if I know everything :P. So by my logic based after said works of fiction the internal organs (unless eaten in the process of zombification) are working just fine, more than enough to administer the drugs. Either way... Zombies arn't an entirely new SPECIES, they are more of a subspecies from the human race if anything... they are altered humans, not recreated humans.
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MichaelRiley
MichaelRiley
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Jun 27 2008, 7:03 AM EDT
Spurting blood, yes a beating heart would be required, however blood simply running from a wound would not require a working cardiovascular system. Do you find this valuable?    
UnUndead
UnUndead
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Jun 27 2008, 12:42 PM EDT
For rage zombies, pretty much any drug that works on humans would work on them. Now, because pot is a very relaxing drug, throwing a burning bag of it into a crowd of them might just calm them down to where they're not as violent as they used to be. Enough of it might even return them to the regular human state. How's THAT for a cure? 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Happyman0
Happyman0
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 27 2008, 1:27 PM EDT
"For rage zombies, pretty much any drug that works on humans would work on them. Now, because pot is a very relaxing drug, throwing a burning bag of it into a crowd of them might just calm them down to where they're not as violent as they used to be. Enough of it might even return them to the regular human state. How's THAT for a cure?"
Well thats probably how zombies are made, smoke to much pot, start waddling around and get the munchies for human brains. You could certainly use it to sneak pass a zombie crowds :). You guys also gotta remember that with less blood requires less drugs and a direct shot should be able to incapacitate at least a limb.
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McSkullcracken
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Jun 27 2008, 2:52 PM EDT
Rage zombies would probably be affected by most drugs in a similar manner as normal people. But actually getting one of them drugged would probably be too much effort. Undead zombies, well, if the drug does not require the use of lungs or a cardiovascular system, it might affect their brain. But unless it is similar to Original-Sin's paralytic drug I don't know drugging a zombie would have much of a point. Do you find this valuable?    
Original-Sin
Original-Sin
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Jun 27 2008, 5:49 PM EDT
Well, it is always worth a try isn't it? Do you find this valuable?    
BIA!
BIA!
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 29 2008, 2:28 AM EDT
I just know that when the zombies do come, it'll be a great way to keep up morale by bunkering down in the basement, get some old-school hip-hop playing, roll up a blunt, and smoke away Z-Day.
:D
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
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Jun 29 2008, 3:55 AM EDT
"I just know that when the zombies do come, it'll be a great way to keep up morale by bunkering down in the basement, get some old-school hip-hop playing, roll up a blunt, and smoke away Z-Day.
:D"
I love you... XD
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residentmagnum
residentmagnum
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Jun 30 2008, 12:33 AM EDT
"Oh Contrare...Many zombies can be seen gasping for air (not normal breathing as the actor is doing to stay alive) which shows working lungs. EVERY zombie is seen spurting blood when wounded (indicates a heart circulating blood), considering they didnt actually shoot/stab the actors I think this is a good sign. We DONT KNOW how well the brain of a Zombie works... all we know is what is given to use in FICTION, even what I just stated, considering this wiki is devouted to those works of fiction though I reserve my right to speak freely as if I know everything :P. So by my logic based after said works of fiction the internal organs (unless eaten in the process of zombification) are working just fine, more than enough to administer the drugs. Either way... Zombies arn't an entirely new SPECIES, they are more of a subspecies from the human race if anything... they are altered humans, not recreated humans."
True non of us are experts on this and we all look at many works of fiction
But a human actor needs to breath there is some evidence that show that not all zombies do as with Return of the living dead, Land of the dead, Zombie; because there are times where a zombie would have no air to breath(in a tank / under water for a long period of time)

Also people don't really gush blood when injuried those are quibbs (blood bomb) that make a large blood splatter

I do disagree with you I don't think that they are altered humans but a type of monster or a new species
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 30 2008, 1:25 AM EDT
"True non of us are experts on this and we all look at many works of fiction
But a human actor needs to breath there is some evidence that show that not all zombies do as with Return of the living dead, Land of the dead, Zombie; because there are times where a zombie would have no air to breath(in a tank / under water for a long period of time)

Also people don't really gush blood when injuried those are quibbs (blood bomb) that make a large blood splatter

I do disagree with you I don't think that they are altered humans but a type of monster or a new species"
Im my defense;
"Many zombies can be seen gasping for air (not normal breathing as the actor is doing to stay alive) " taken straight from my previous quote. The actors are gasping intentially, not breathing normally. Think 'I am Legend' Zombies/Vampires, either way they were created by a virus, the most common and most likely explanation for a zombie outbreak.

No need to explain quibbs to me, my brother is a stuntman. But those show that the directors INTENDED for the zombies to bleed as such. Since we base our information off these films I believe they have a working circulatory system.

By suggesting they are a new species your saying we created life.. if we have the power to create entire new complex life forms with systems as complex as ours (we have no idea how to explain the process of thought completely, something even a new born does). If we have that kind of power Sir, im damn sure we would be able to control how much power we give them (we wouldnt make them so they could infect all of humanity...unless we used it as a weapon and biological weapons are outlawed)
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AlexMastroianni

AlexMastroianni
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 30 2008, 10:45 AM EDT
what if you were on some necessary medication like insulin or methadoneor seizure medication?
what would you do in the case of a full scale z-plague?
the first place i'd go is a pharmacy, break in, and stock up on first aid stuff, antibiotics, and anything else id want,which would be a lot.(lol) this si something max brooks never touched on. what would people on Rx's like xanax or painkillers do? theyd be in acute physicalwithdrawal AND fighing for their lives.
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AlexMastroianni

AlexMastroianni
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 30 2008, 10:47 AM EDT
would ghouls be susceptible to concussions? like if you hit a ghoul in the head with a bat, not hard enough to kill it, would it be disoriented, knocked out? i know they have the most basic of brain function, but a whack to the head is a whack to the head. Do you find this valuable?    
Original-Sin
Original-Sin
RE: Drugs?!
Jun 30 2008, 4:17 PM EDT
"would ghouls be susceptible to concussions? like if you hit a ghoul in the head with a bat, not hard enough to kill it, would it be disoriented, knocked out? i know they have the most basic of brain function, but a whack to the head is a whack to the head. "
My theory is they are going to be made from a mutated virus (the flu mutates atleast 7 times a year). This virus needs a living host, as such all their cells, tissues, and organs work. The changes that happen though, is the virus takes over their brain functions, causing them to be filled with rage so it can spread itself, via bites and direct fluid content. This causes the infected blood (full of coppies of said virus) to get into someone uninfected blood. The virus circulates around and wala, another infected subject.

As such, posted above I have stated my idea;
"My idea is that a mixture of muscle relaxers and other nerve/tissue altering substances would completly lock down all movements of a zombie, if only for a short while. I base my theory on what I know from human trials (no, not on myself... but done in actual labs). The muscle relaxer mix would cause the muscles of the ZEDS to 'freeze up', for lack of a better term, rendering them motionless. The mixture could be made out of over-the-counter drugs and can be effective on humans aswell (as long as you dont O.D. them)."

These formulas would be fairly simple to make, even with no knowledge of the medicine field you could find everything in simple text books. But remember, none of us are experts, we only know what we get from the movies.
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