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~Jack~ |
Okay...
Jul 17 2008, 3:26 PM EDT
Now, let's see... prybar...I assume the prybar to be that long flat piece of metal used to pull out nails and pry things open, correct? well, it's good at what it does, but I do not believe it to be very effective... they are too small and light to do any real damage(maybe for stabbing...)... unless you have a really large one, but they are bulky and difficult to wield. The crowbar, however, is more or less universally similar in size and weight, differences are usually negligible. The weight allows bone-crushing force, the prongs allow penetration. If you are worried about it getting stuck, there are plenty of different ways to hold it that allows for you to choose between penetration or blunt force. Hope this helps. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
Matthewcain |
1. RE: Okay...
Jul 30 2008, 8:03 PM EDT
Total misconception. The crowbar is actually a straight piece of metal - almost 2m with a chisel edge. These are what you'll often see road-ride workers using. The prybar on the other hand is what most people see as the 'crowbar': A long piece of metal - one side with a hook and the other with the pry edge. Cheers.
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
2. RE: Okay...
Jul 30 2008, 9:05 PM EDT
There is no effective difference between the two when you bash someone’s brains across the room with one.
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byates |
3. RE: Okay...
Aug 20 2008, 4:29 PM EDT
The Mage Tannim in the The Serrated Edge series by Mercedes Lackey."The gooseneck crowbar was one of the most elegant designs ever, he'd always thought. A single piece of simple formed iron, direct and unadorned, flat blade at one end, strong hook at the other .... He'd found that it would fit comfortably over a shoulder, and never be noticed under a loose jacket even when you were shaking someone's hand." MIght want to look at a T-Bar also, sort of a double headed crowbar. http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(pmph3l45zqvgkpma1lksa255)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=22183 Or, for the person that wants a bit more: http://www.doityourself.com/invt/u101659 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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puffdadder |
4. RE: Okay...
Nov 17 2008, 3:53 PM EST
can't believe Dead On's annhilator isn't mentioned. hammer, prybar, spike all in one. great price too.
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Salam9nder |
5. Halligan bars
Nov 29 2008, 12:04 PM EST
Personally, I think I'd list the halligan as #3 as a weapon. It weighs about 12 pounds. It's too heavy to swing in combat for an extended period of time. You'd have to be a MAN and a small boy to use a halligan in melee. One of the basic lessons in the fire academy is to know your tools, and choose the right tool for the job. Don't use a prying tool to strike. Don't use striking tools to pry. The halligan is strong enough to be used for striking in a pinch, but the striking tools (axes, hammers) are better suited and more efficient. The halligan is not made for swinging like a baseball bat. If you were trying to swing it to take out skulls, you could probably get in 3 or 4 homeruns before you injured your wrist or elbow. The spike and the adze would easily get stuck or snagged in the skull or any other part of the body you hit by mistake. The weight of the tool would certainly cause you to overextend if you missed. They sell for around $150-$300. You won't have access to one unless you're stupid rich, a super squirrel, or a firefighter. I'm a full-time, paid firefighter. I'm in good physical condition; I'd call a 5-mile run or climbing stairs for 30 minutes in full bunker gear a "moderate" workout. I can bench my own weight. I use halligans on a regular basis. If I had to choose only one hand tool to use for the rest of my career, I would say the Halligan without hesitation - I bet most firefighters would. It's an awesome all-around tool for forcible entry (prying open doors, punching locks, levering heavy objects), but there is no way in hell I'd want to try to use it to smash more than one or two heads. It's too heavy and too unweildy. Do you find this valuable? |
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puffdadder |
6. RE: Halligan bars
Nov 30 2008, 2:44 AM EST
the annhilator sells for 50 bux. the halligan does sound like a good tool though salam9nder, thanks for saving our a$$e$ from fires as well as zeds. ;)a prybar is a little wide so usually, the less contact area, the better for a striking tool. Do you find this valuable? |
