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thewhitezombie666 |
uzi is not magnum
Jul 22 2008, 10:16 AM EDT
an uzi is mainly 9mm which is 357./38. cal ,but they mean 357 as a magnum and also even if they do mean 357. as 9mm the uzi is from iseal not france or italy and is produced in HUGE numbers and is a fine smg. HAVE A GOOD DAY!!!!!!!
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3DayAsylum |
1. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 22 2008, 11:17 AM EDT
Then change it. Posting it on the forums and not changing it on the page is a good way to have no one care.
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
2. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 22 2008, 2:51 PM EDT
"Then change it."Or don’t… Besides the fact that there’s no technological reason an Uzi can’t be chambered for .357 (and therefore fire the .38), there are reports (from the Israelis) of “clones” of their gun. They were, apparently, NOT happy to discover the theft. Do you find this valuable? |
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thewhitezombie666 |
3. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 23 2008, 4:02 PM EDT
if you were in the military you would probly be the one to listen to, but the uzi would have to be pretty heavily modified to hold such a large pistol round.
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
4. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 23 2008, 5:54 PM EDT
"if you were in the military you would probly be the one to listen to, but the uzi would have to be pretty heavily modified to hold such a large pistol round."Unless, of course, they were mafde that way at the factory. Say by people who had a reeason to want to use more than one type of ammo, and didn't nessesarily want too many people talking about them... Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
5. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 23 2008, 6:18 PM EDT
There are some things that I can’t discuss about this, but here’s something I can verify independently…Source: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887327 “Okay, here is what I did. I bought a COMMERCIAL 9MM Uzi barrel (not chrome lined like factory barrel is). I had the chamber reamed for 357 Sig. I used a 45 ACP Uzi bolt with a 9MM extractor. This works perfect for 4Ø S&W and 357 Sig. I first thought a 41 Action Express Uzi magazine would be the best choise. Well it didn't feed 357 Sig very well, at least not 1ØØ%. But I found that the standard 9MM Uzi magazine does work perfect, 1ØØ%, for 357 Sig. This builds a 1ØØ% functional 357 Sig Uzi.” Do you find this valuable? |
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~Jack~ |
6. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 24 2008, 9:54 AM EDT
Alright....Let me make something perfectly clear that ALL OF YOU MUST READ. Even if you know what I know, read it anyways... Magnum means large, big, more powerful then normal. It is used to describe rounds that have MORE POWDER THEN NORMAL behind the bullet. Example: The 9mm round has a default(normal) configuration, default amount of powder behind it. A 9mm magnum is pretty much the same thing except for one thing. IT HAS MORE POWDER. This goes for everything. the .357 can only be a magnum if it has more powder then usual. This goes for the .44 cal, the .45, the .22, EVERYTHING. So, overall, a magnum is just a bullet with more then the default(normal) amount of powder behind it. I can go into the whole history, giving you the origin of the name, when the first true magnum came about, but I don't have the time. Magnum means More powder then normal. Cartridge size doesn't really matter, nor does the kind of gun. (there are some exceptions, but that's a totally unrelated issue). Okay? If there is one thing I know inside and out it is the word 'magnum'. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
7. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 24 2008, 1:40 PM EDT
Wow, I thought I was the only one getting ticked off about the subject…
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~Jack~ |
8. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 24 2008, 2:56 PM EDT
You're not the only one. :DI just sometimes wish this kind of information was common knowledge... I mean, there are issues regarding grammar and spelling that is forgivable, yet annoying. An example of this is that technically it should be 'sniper's rifle' or 'sniping rifle' instead of the overused slang term 'sniper rifle'. Overall, it's no more then annoying. Magnum... well, it's a whole different breed of annoying to me. People just need to know the subject inside and out when it comes to fire arms, and to stay out of unknown territories best they can. Do you find this valuable? |
byates |
9. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 24 2008, 6:27 PM EDT
"You're not the only one. :DMagnum is just marketing BS, H&H was trying to describe their new bolt action round and used the term for an oversized bottle of champagne. A 9MM magnum is an elongated 9mm Luger case, about as long as the 357 case. In 9mm rounds their is the 9mm short(380 auto), 9mm Luger, 9mm Largo, 9mm Magnum, and several others. The higher powered 9mm Luger is the 9mm + or ++ not a magnum Do you find this valuable? |
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~Jack~ |
10. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM EDT
That tells us absolutely nothing.Magnum was indeed the name of an over-sized champagne bottle. That was when the TERM was first COINED. magnums existed BEFORE then. think back to the early safaris in Africa. Europeans found that their normal hunting rounds had no effect on something as large as an elephant or lion. This being the time before the elephant gun, the hunters took their own ammunition apart and PUT IN MORE POWDER. to get MORE POWER. Understand? The term magnum is used to describe a round with more powder behind it then NORMAL. I am not talking about "the bullet isn't called a magnum because it doesn't say so in the name!" Those rounds with the elongated cartridge? not magnum why? because they are made for specific guns. those guns were made to accommodate that specific cartridge. What is the default amount of powder on those elongated cartridges? Magnum is a term used to describe ANY round (special or NOT) that has more POWDER then normal. Also, have you ever heard of the Super-magnum rifle? just because it has "magnum" in it's name doesn't mean it is a magnum. the word "magnum" was only a tool to describe it's power and effectiveness. same with any other gun or round out there called a "magnum round." It is only truly a magnum round if it has MORE POWDER then what is NORMAL in that PARTICULAR ROUND. My statement still stands. Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
11. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 25 2008, 11:44 AM EDT
"That tells us absolutely nothing.Right the term magnum is meaningless, unless you are referring to a specific cartridge or size of champagne. It is marketing, a term used to impress people. If a handgun cartridge has more power than usual for the cartridge it is termed P+ or P++, or just a hot load. Rifle cartridges are more difficult, a higher powered load in the same cartridge can be called a light magnum, or it might not be called anything special. The quantity of powder has little to do with power, the type of powder has much. If you take a 5.56mm or a .45ACP and fill the case with H870 you will have a mild load, the bullet might not even exit the barrel. If you fill the same case with Bullseye, count on replacing the gun. Same quantity(volume) of powder, major difference in power produced. Check out some of the reloading tables here, http://www.reloadammo.com/ You will see that the quantity of powder has little to do with the power, unless you are comparing the same powder in the same cartridge. You will see that less of one powder can give the same power as much more of another in the same case. Also notice that bullet weight has a direct impact on optimum powder to use. As far as killing elephants and other dangerous game, the name of the game is penetration, not power. If your round does not penetrate to a vital spot, you go home in a box or a bucket. Also, accurate and reliable, you have to hit the spot and the gun has to go bang when you pull the trigger. More dangerous game has been killed with 30 caliber and under than with the bigger calibers, and with lightly loaded cartridges too. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
12. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 25 2008, 12:42 PM EDT
Alright guys, the point of the thread originally was that another idiot was saying there’s no such thing a .357 Uzi.Now, beyond the speculation (that it was either made by France or Italy) is the now well-established fact that a 9MM Uzi CAN be converted to chamber a .357 round. If anyone ELSE wants to talk shit about something they obviously know not a damned thing about, that’s great- And I will be more than happy to tell you what your opinion is. Do you find this valuable? |
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~Jack~ |
13. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 25 2008, 1:12 PM EDT
I don't think byates is listening... to be perfectly honest, I don't think he understand what it is I am saying...byates, I am perfectly aware of the kinds of powder and their power, heck, I got powder out in the shed meant to be used in .50 cal machine guns. I have access to a collection of the best books and tables when it comes to reloading and only need to walk 20 feet. Please... I know what it takes to turn weak Wal-mart ammunition into extremely effective super-rounds. it doesn't take a lot. And the amount of powder does matter. If you put too much powder into the back of a 45-70 cartridge, it will destroy the gun and kill you. Thing is, the 45-70 round is rarely, if ever, filled up more then half way. I have seen and felt the difference. So, please... unless you have something better to do besides change the subject on me to something other then the definition of the word 'magnum', I don't even care about this conversation anymore. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
14. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 25 2008, 1:32 PM EDT
"(U)nless you have something better to do besides change the subject on me..."Actually, that's MY line. This thread was about the stupidity of some people towards whether or not an Uzi could chamber a .357. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
15. RE: uzi is not magnum
Jul 27 2008, 11:50 PM EDT
"Actually, that's MY line.Gentlemen… I deleted the rest of this thread because it’s not relevant. It does not matter- The issue of the thread was yet another self-anointed expert saying it wasn’t possible for an UZI to chamber a .357 Mag round. We now know that this is WRONG. This whole thing about “My chamber is bigger than yours” makes my PTSD act up. Please- MAKE MY PTSD ACT UP SOME MORE. Please do so. I might ENJOY IT. (Insert Alicestar’s maxi-pad comment here.) Do you find this valuable? |
