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Matthewcain |
Lets Get Serious Here...
Jul 30 2008, 8:22 PM EDT
ALL YOUR JUNK:I love how everyone seems to ignore the 'normal person' listing at the top. Last time i checked, a normal person can't run, climb and jump with an 80lb duffel that measures over a meter. FOOD: Food won't be much of an issue. No matter where you are, there will always be canned or dehydrated food. Straight out of the gate i agree with alicestar...all you really need is a few energy bars to fill in. Any have any of you kids had MRE'S? No? Well they'll give you the shits for weeks. Not someone you want on the run. WATER: Purification is easy as pie, so don't stress. A good pump filter will remove 75% of bacteria. Boil to take you to 90%, and add iodine to take you to 97%. Carrying a small bottle or Camelback will keep your lips wet. And once again, bottled water is everywhere. WEAPONS: Everyone goes on about outlandish weapons as if this is a dream world. Good luck finding that FNP90 with a suppressor. Even if you live in the states, that weapon is a dream. Not to mention ammo...good luck with that one. Keep it common, as most stores carry 5.56 or 7.62. Most hunting rifles operate on .308, so the AK47, and AR15's and most 10 clip semi-autos will suffice. As for your handgun, stick with something in 45acp or 9mm. Avoid FMJ's on a 9mm, as it will go through and through like a thread through a needle. The downside of the 9mm, is that it runs at a higher pressure, which means a higher chance of damage. Stick to the 45 with lead - HP or PHP will carry and airflow into the wound causing the real damage. Shotguns are as common as it comes. 12g buck will tear a limb off with the right choke, and you can find shells in country stores. No joke. MELEE: If you can't one hand it, don't bother. A 32" machete is your best bet, as you could chop bricks all day long. But a smart man will run the 32" crowbar. Crack a skull, lock, or have an extra 2 and a bit feet of reach. 12 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
Mercanary57 |
1. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jul 31 2008, 3:45 PM EDT
I agree with you on the running,jumping,and climbing with a 80lb bag on your back.However you wouldn't want to run unless being chased.
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DeathsBargain |
2. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Aug 3 2008, 4:11 AM EDT
"I agree with you on the running,jumping,and climbing with a 80lb bag on your back.However you wouldn't want to run unless being chased."Are you saying you wont get chased? Well good for you if you have everything you need in a bomb shelter for a few years, however most people don't. I agree with nearly everything mentioned (probably everything, i'm just putting probably anything in case I didn't notice something) So many people mention katanas and things of that nature.... A) There are very few real katanas available let alone ones you will get your hands on. B) How many of you have trained with katanas before? You will likely cut yourself on accident and then its game over because the blade is covered in zed blood. Pistol is likely something most people have, maybe even one of a few semi auto/auto rifles. I don't see the AR15 mentioned very often on this site yet its a fairly commonly owned weapon (for weapon collectors that is). 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
alicestar |
3. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Aug 3 2008, 7:41 AM EDT
I bring up the FN-ps90 alot because it is an awsome weapon and since nato aproved the 5.7x28 mm personal defense round it has become very common place in gun stores arround the US. I havnt seen it arround wal-mart yet but dont worry that day is soon to come. as for sound supression sure its a nice option but you should really be thinking of more creative things to do with your time then picking off zeds from a rooftop un-noticed, consirve your ammo and use it when they do find you. also MRE's have a very diffrent effect on alot of people, for most they get stopped up due to the dencly packed callories contained within and many try to no avail to eat the cracker without drinking water! its freaking impossible, give it up!!
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alcari |
4. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Aug 18 2008, 11:15 PM EDT
I'm a big fan op the P(s)90 as well, unfortunatly, I have to leave mine "at work", because it's not legal to privately own one in Europe. The matching pistol is in my safe, and it's an excellent weapon. Really though, you don't need anything other then a pistol. You're not going to be hunting zeds, you're going to be avoiding them, and hauling around a 6 pound rifle that eats 15 bullets per seconds on auto doesn't make that job any simpler. If there are to many zeds to take out with a pistol (or even an axe/machette), you should be running, not shooting. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
residentmagnum |
5. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Sep 4 2008, 11:55 PM EDT
many military soldiers can march with 50 lbs of gear sometimes less, sometimes more like if they are helpind a wounded friendAlso the over all ideal is to pack what each indivaul can carry max and no more there is no point in taking stuff that can't be carried 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
Kaikelx |
6. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Sep 5 2008, 12:01 AM EDT
"many military soldiers can march with 50 lbs of gear sometimes less, sometimes more like if they are helpind a wounded friendWhat residentmagnum said. If you can haul a full combat load forever, go for it. If not, ditch the unnecessary fire power. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
spraymachine |
7. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 10:30 AM EST
I've been backpacking and mountaineering quite a bit, and from my experience 50 pounds is just about as heavy as you'll ever want to get for the long run. The exception is packing in food/supplies/gear to a camp, then try to make it under half your body weight and try to dump it within a few days. The average untrained (muscles I'm talking about) person will only be able to carry 30 pounds (my opinion) or so for long distances.If you want a good idea about how it feels to carry a heavy pack, head to a gym and do a leg press with your body weight+the weight of the gear. That is about how hard it is to get up with your gear on, body weight + half the gear weight will simulate walking with it on. As the good saying goes "Know more, Carry less." 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JacksonLeader |
8. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 12:43 PM EST
pardon my gloating, but i'm in a freaking awsome position here. my basement is made of steels and concrete, i have enoguh canned food to last a week, i live near 2 hardwae stores- AND, AND THIS IS KEY: less than 3 walking muinetes from a very diverse gun store. AND, i'd point out, my town has only 3,000 people in rural Iowa. sweet or what? 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Mercanary57 |
9. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 1:03 PM EST
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!BASEMENT = Death. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
3DayAsylum |
10. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 1:25 PM EST
You've never thought about what would happen if your basements exits are COVERED with zombies, and you're out of ammo?I'd agree with the #57 Mer Canary. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Mercanary57 |
11. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 2:01 PM EST
And I agree with 3DayAsylum.Nice to know that we see things... clearly. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3DayAsylum |
12. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 2:02 PM EST
Or not, considering you spelled 'mercenary' as 'mercanary'.
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Mercanary57 |
13. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 3:07 PM EST
You are the 17th person to mention that to me.You have earned 50 experience for pointing out the obvious. You have received an internet. Do you find this valuable? |
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3DayAsylum |
15. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 3:10 PM EST
You are now An Hero.But hey, I got exp equivalent to finding five locations, and killing a mirelurk! And you have a misspelled name and a 'An Hero Of The Year' nomination. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mercanary57 |
16. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 17 2009, 4:05 PM EST
Glee! Now I can revel in my schizophrenic intelligence while having an award!Do you find this valuable? |
LoneWolf13 |
17. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 30 2009, 1:01 AM EST
for once in all the bug out bags i've seen there is one person with a sence of realism. most people can't hike one mile with 50lbs on their back and the likely hood of someone going 500 meters with 80lbs is slim at best. you can see this where most can't. well done.P.S. good call on the FN P90. most people would not be able to find one much less use one properly. i would go with a Winchester lever action .30-30 any day over a military M16 or AK47 any day. on second thought maybe i would take that AK47. Do you find this valuable? |
crowleyj |
18. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 30 2009, 7:38 AM EST
I use to be a AG an Gunner in the 82nd and 80lb rucks were a relief to some of the ones I carried. Hell used to even "ho chi minh " with those bad boy's. An we did 12mile 50lb ruck runs or longer march downMc kellers every Friday down or back up Longstreet . Do I plan on packing heavy like those again NO. I've placed caches along my OS route. But what is planned seldom happens in real life situations. Do you find this valuable? |
mkxlng63 |
19. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Jan 30 2009, 9:12 AM EST
"I've been backpacking and mountaineering quite a bit, and from my experience 50 pounds is just about as heavy as you'll ever want to get for the long run. The exception is packing in food/supplies/gear to a camp, then try to make it under half your body weight and try to dump it within a few days. The average untrained (muscles I'm talking about) person will only be able to carry 30 pounds (my opinion) or so for long distances.Indeed. Backpacking is a hobby of mine. Not long distance, but hiking in, camping for a few nights, and hiking out. But our packs are 80+...that gets tiring. Like the OP said, that makes running, climbing, and jumping pretty tough. I think your about right that 50 pounds is as heavy as you want a long distance pack. And as you said...knowledge is ultimately what is important. Do you find this valuable? |
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Dr.ZED |
20. RE: Lets Get Serious Here...
Feb 23 2009, 8:09 PM EST
In reality,MRE's actually bind, not lossen ones bowel movement. After two deployments I can asure you they are quite constipating. Soldiers are no good to anyone if they are "curbside," dropping a deuce during a deployment or mission. Boiling does kill bacteria, but the enterotoxins, or other agents which are responsible for illness, aren't always denatured by heat. Parasitic organisms such as giardia are more common in streams, e-coli in water exposed to human waste, and cholera...well just wait. The advantage to the MRE is they are ready to eat. You dont worry about the water source. Disadvantage, water is heavy. Shelf life is ONE year at temperatures greater than 70F. Life May extend to a max of 5 years in a dark climate cooled environment. The ar15 ammo abundant, and yes there is a difference between the 5.56 and the.223. The 5.56 can handle a .223, however a .223 would fail and the increase in pressure of the round would damage the bolt, and the upper receiver. 9mm completely abundant ammunition, police stations, sporting stores and the like. The Fabrique Nationale Herstal P90 is not an ideal weapon for any civilian. The ammunition in the US is difficult to find, and the military issue round is the one that penetrates 48 layers of kevlar. It was designed to not overpenetrate as the 5.56 round was prone to in an urban closedquarters environment. 1911 great. But a sidearm is intended to have reliability, and stopping power at distances of 25 -50 feet. 12 guage short barrel, is even better for stopping, but heavy to haul. In a close quarter engagement a 12 guage is comforting, as the buckshot spreads, your odds of hitting something increases dramatically. When I have had to aim, and using a laser, my hand shakes with fear. It is hard to keep on target. Remington 870 express will do the job. A pistol again is not only for the undead. If you had to go at it mano a mano, you have to drop evrything and pull at a battle ax. Pack Max 50 lbs. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
