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zooken
zooken
Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 3 2008, 6:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2008, 6:39 AM EDT
I'm kinda lazy and would rather link info than type it all out :)
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bxE6MZlxGQ
(video more for visual aid use than knowledge, of course the company will make it look good)

Little things I like about the Calico M960:
9mm ammo, easy to find
50-100 round mags
Mags take up relatively less room than other smgs
Easy and minimal disassembly
looks really cool

If I only had Zeds to worry about I'd probably go for the .22LR model, but with obvious human threats I'd rather have 9mm

Now attack me for being stupid :)
Seriously though, I would appreciate any input on these weapons, or if some of you out there find them to have merit.
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alicestar
alicestar
1. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 3 2008, 7:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2008, 7:29 AM EDT
i own a 9mm M-960, its all and all not a bad firearm but the reason the DOD decided not to contract them is because the high capacity magazines tend to jam......alot (4 feed jams per 50rnd mag). since calico went out of business in the early 80's the magazines have become extremely hard to find and very pricey. also the magazine is made of pressed steal wich makes it very heavy even in its empty state. dont bother looking for aftermarket magazines either, the short production life and assault weapons ban (also in the 1980s) made sure that the only mags you will find for this weapon would be the stock calico mags. its not a bad idea though really, you just didnt do enough heavy research into the weapon. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Survivor_Gill
Survivor_Gill
2. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 3 2008, 8:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2008, 8:49 AM EDT
"i own a 9mm M-960, its all and all not a bad firearm but the reason the DOD decided not to contract them is because the high capacity magazines tend to jam......alot (4 feed jams per 50rnd mag). since calico went out of business in the early 80's the magazines have become extremely hard to find and very pricey. also the magazine is made of pressed steal wich makes it very heavy even in its empty state. dont bother looking for aftermarket magazines either, the short production life and assault weapons ban (also in the 1980s) made sure that the only mags you will find for this weapon would be the stock calico mags. its not a bad idea though really, you just didnt do enough heavy research into the weapon. "
Haha wow, I really have nothing to add, alicestar hit the nail on the head.

Those corkscrew feed mechanisms, although inventive are really problematic.

On a short list of attributes in a survival firearm, reliability is at the top of the list for me, even before stopping power and ammunition availability.
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~Jack~
3. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 3 2008, 10:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2008, 10:38 AM EDT
If only they worked on it a bit more... I mean, jamming is a problem that can be solved, and if they solved that issue (and any other that's on it), it would have probably taken the place of the MP-5 by now... Do you find this valuable?    
zooken
zooken
4. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 3 2008, 3:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2008, 3:52 PM EDT
Does anyone know the applications of the Arms Ban now? Because It supposedly had a time frame that expired in 2004. There have been several attempts to lengthen and reinstate it, but I don't know if there is anything on the Federal level to limit such things anymore. There are some on state level. Do you find this valuable?    
alicestar
alicestar
5. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 4 2008, 12:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 4 2008, 12:29 AM EDT
the arms ban never really restricted anything but high capasity magazines and barrel length so its not really that big of a deal but I havnt heard anything yet and everything you could want in a zombie weapon is still availiable on the open market so get em while you can! Do you find this valuable?    
zooken
zooken
6. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 4 2008, 12:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 4 2008, 12:46 PM EDT
"the arms ban never really restricted anything but high capasity magazines and barrel length so its not really that big of a deal but I havnt heard anything yet and everything you could want in a zombie weapon is still availiable on the open market so get em while you can!"
Thank you, for clearing that up. Would you happen to know which law prohibits automatic weapons? Or is that too just state level and non federal
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
7. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 5 2008, 2:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 5 2008, 2:03 AM EDT
"looks really cool"
And stop right there…
“Looking cool” should, in no way, be a deciding factor in whether something is included or not. I can’t (now) do anything about the “cool cars” listed in the vehicles page, but rest assured that MOST of them don’t belong there.

Ascetics are NOT a consideration you should keep; That’s a good way to get yourself killed.
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~Jack~
8. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 5 2008, 9:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 5 2008, 9:26 AM EDT
I agree 100%. If you want a cool whatever, find one that works, and THEN you can worry about looks later. Like, get an APC and paint teeth on it or something. Much cooler then any cool car if you ask me. Do you find this valuable?    
zooken
zooken
9. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 5 2008, 7:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 5 2008, 7:20 PM EDT
I was half kidding about the looking good part. And I was wondering if there was anything wrong with it. If you were faced with a gun purchase and they both had incredible specs, no flaws, and cost the same...I know you would go for the one that you thought looked better.

But back to the gun itself. I like the mag size, and the fact that the mag doesn't get in the way. Now if it has some horrible flaw, then I wouldn't plan on buying it. But if was proven to to be a great 9mm, and people said they hated it because how it looked, then that would be a shame.
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
10. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 5 2008, 8:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 5 2008, 8:41 PM EDT
"I was wondering if there was anything wrong with it. I like the mag size, and the fact that the mag doesn't get in the way. Now if it has some horrible flaw, then I wouldn't plan on buying it. But if was proven to to be a great 9mm..."
That would be a subject for someone who’s had hands-on experience with it. I’ve never heard of it before.
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zooken
zooken
11. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Aug 5 2008, 11:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 5 2008, 11:39 PM EDT
I'm in the same boat you are. I've known about it, but I didn't know what is was called till a month or two ago. Do you find this valuable?    
SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
12. Federal Laws... Full Auto...
Aug 23 2008, 1:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2008, 1:29 PM EDT
"Thank you, for clearing that up. Would you happen to know which law prohibits automatic weapons? Or is that too just state level and non federal"
Calico in 22 or 9NATO is a great little playtoy. Not too sure I'd want to trust my life to the helical magazine. As noted it is *OK*, but not known for reliability "enough".

AWB of 1994 caused Calico to eventually fold as there was not enough market in the Restricted markets (LE, MIL, GOV) to continue manufacture.
AWB expired in 2004, "unbanning" regular capacity magazine manufacture and sales to taxpayers. Certain cosmetic features were also were allowed back on firearm manufacture and refit.

"Pre- ('94)ban" guns and magazines are no longer restricted despite markings on them. (Some arms and parts will state "For LE/MIL use only, and dated)

http://www.subguns.com/laws/laws.htm

Here is a URL to information on the "Miller Decision" and what ended up being the National Firearms Act of 1934 in uS.

Full Auto in not specifically banned at Federal level. Is taxed and paperwork regulated heavily.

Some individual States DO prohibit full auto and other NFA toys. Other States allow *some* ownership.
Some such as my home, Oregon, allow the full gamut of DD, SBS, SBR, MG, Suppressors, AOW with paperwork taken care of and approved by ATFE.

Link above brings you to Bardwell's FAQ on National Fireams Act Weapons. Will help researching your questions.

HTH

*EOM*
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zooken
zooken
13. RE: Federal Laws... Full Auto...
Aug 24 2008, 6:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2008, 6:10 AM EDT
"Calico in 22 or 9NATO is a great little playtoy. Not too sure I'd want to trust my life to the helical magazine. As noted it is *OK*, but not known for reliability "enough".

AWB of 1994 caused Calico to eventually fold as there was not enough market in the Restricted markets (LE, MIL, GOV) to continue manufacture.
AWB expired in 2004, "unbanning" regular capacity magazine manufacture and sales to taxpayers. Certain cosmetic features were also were allowed back on firearm manufacture and refit.

"Pre- ('94)ban" guns and magazines are no longer restricted despite markings on them. (Some arms and parts will state "For LE/MIL use only, and dated)

http://www.subguns.com/laws/laws.htm

Here is a URL to information on the "Miller Decision" and what ended up being the National Firearms Act of 1934 in uS.

Full Auto in not specifically banned at Federal level. Is taxed and paperwork regulated heavily.

Some individual States DO prohibit full auto and other NFA toys. Other States allow *some* ownership.
Some such as my home, Oregon, allow the full gamut of DD, SBS, SBR, MG, Suppressors, AOW with paperwork taken care of and approved by ATFE.

Link above brings you to Bardwell's FAQ on National Fireams Act Weapons. Will help researching your questions.

HTH

*EOM*"
Thank you oh mighty gun god. But yeah thanks for the info. And If I tried to get one the taxes and permits and taxes on the permits would probably end up being more than the gun.

As for the reliability, yeah thats what I keep hearing. Sooner or later you have to go with the mob. I think it would be cool to own, but as for trusting my life with it I'd be better of with a revolver more than likely.
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CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO
CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO
14. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Oct 5 2008, 3:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 3:36 AM EDT
it works on a class system pdws and such are class 1 low -low medium. high threat hunting rifles and civilian grade military weapons are class 2 low high threat medium low threat and medium medium threat.
while military grade(restricted unless you have a pass) or you pay at least a 2-300 dollar extra tax for automatic / weapons like the awp and semi automatic shot guns medium high threat,high low threat,high medium threat,and high high threat (basically if any one knows they wont come over for dinner or let you in there home)
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SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
15. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Oct 5 2008, 4:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 4:06 PM EDT
"it works on a class system pdws and such are class 1 low -low medium. high threat hunting rifles and civilian grade military weapons are class 2 low high threat medium low threat and medium medium threat.
while military grade(restricted unless you have a pass) or you pay at least a 2-300 dollar extra tax for automatic / weapons like the awp and semi automatic shot guns medium high threat,high low threat,high medium threat,and high high threat (basically if any one knows they wont come over for dinner or let you in there home)"
CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO,

Your post is clueless and sans merit.

*EOM*
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alicestar
alicestar
16. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Oct 5 2008, 5:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 5:29 PM EDT
"CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO,

Your post is clueless and sans merit.

*EOM*"
wow, so what happens when you get a high high high threat weapon?

oh yeah by the way what the hell are you talking about?
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CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO
CRAZYRUSSIANPYRO
17. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Oct 8 2008, 2:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 2:22 PM EDT
the way you buy weapons to your 2nd Q and for your first one people are very scared of you and if there smart WILL NOT raid you on z-day for supplies but instead all swarm to you asking you to join them Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
18. RE: Calico SMG and Pistol
Oct 8 2008, 3:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 3:24 PM EDT
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