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~Jack~ |
20. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Aug 17 2008, 4:19 PM EDT
Not here. the well water here is contaminated by chemicals of most volatile effects! The FDA has declared this place undrinkable! :DSeriously, though... Ground water is your best bet. natural springs work too. Do you find this valuable? |
byates |
21. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Aug 17 2008, 10:16 PM EDT
"Not here. the well water here is contaminated by chemicals of most volatile effects! The FDA has declared this place undrinkable! :DGround water is not a safe bet either, never know what is upstream, leaking septic system, dead cow, etc There is a natural spring near here that would have to be treated before use, some long term contamination subsurface. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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~Jack~ |
22. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Aug 18 2008, 9:06 AM EDT
Well, I am talking about viruses and whatnot.Chemicals/whatnot are a risk no matter where you are. Do you find this valuable? |
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woody100 |
23. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Sep 14 2008, 8:32 AM EDT
sorry i know not much about survival but once youve boiled it how do you drink it with out being burnt, do you just let it cool?i know it sounds very stupid but i dont know Do you find this valuable? |
AgEnT_GrEEn |
24. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Sep 14 2008, 8:51 AM EDT
"sorry i know not much about survival but once youve boiled it how do you drink it with out being burnt, do you just let it cool?Just let it set and cool, maybe [no offence] make some tea or something with some of it....It'll give you a caffeine and morale boost. Personally, if I've got the time to boil water, I'm making some green tea and using a little bit of honey with it...During the zedpocalypse I'd add a little bit of gin to that as well; Yum Yum! :) :) It beats that nasty tap water in the first place >:P Do you find this valuable? |
Mattreize |
25. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Sep 17 2008, 8:19 PM EDT
That would be really cool if the water supply were infected. That something as simple as water could transform you into something so terrible.Has anyone seen the canadian movie Pontypool? It's supposed to be cool. Do you find this valuable? |
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Mattreize |
26. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Sep 17 2008, 8:22 PM EDT
And if the zombie-infected water got into the water cycle, we'd be screwed.
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jarek.king |
27. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 2 2008, 4:13 PM EDT
"First off, when fighting disease, OVERKILL is a necessity. It's like cooking your meat. ALWAYS overcook the meat if you don't want to get sick. not burn, just overcook.The temperature that it takes to boil water is 100 degrees celcius and it doesnt go higher than that unless you pressurize it. So basically it is pointless to spend any more time boiling then necessary because you will just be wasting water when everything is already dead. Do you find this valuable? |
madmortagain |
28. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 6 2008, 6:44 PM EDT
The minimum for amount of boiling is 1 min for all normal germs and things. but we have no idea how long it would take to kill a zombie virus. boiling water may never kill it for all we know. I would recomend boiling AND purification tablets. these tablets are very cheap and you can get them in any camping store or even in wal-mart. I might even go the next step and use a camping water filter pump in addition to the boiling and chemicals.
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madmortagain |
30. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 2:55 AM EDT
I never said the virus was earthborne. in fact I think thats very unlikely. and there IS a minimum time limit for boiling water. a virus can survive a short boiling. and I wouldent be using just any cheap water pump, I go with high quality. and i'm fairly certain purification tablets would work just fine against almost any type of virus. I go with what the zombie survival guide says anyway. on page 3 it says "the virus is neither waterborne nor airborne." of course it could be wrong. but I dont think so.
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byates |
31. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 10:48 AM EDT
Short article on water purificationhttp://www.princeton.edu/~oa/manual/water.shtml Do you find this valuable? |
jugglaj |
32. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 10:54 AM EDT
they sell good micro filters at eastern mountain sports and other outdoor storesmake sure that the filter is rated to .0001 micron though Do you find this valuable? |
Andering_J_REDDSON |
33. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 11:37 AM EDT
"The temperature that it takes to boil water is 100 degrees celcius and it doesnt go higher than that unless you pressurize it. So basically it is pointless to spend any more time boiling then necessary because you will just be wasting water when everything is already dead."No; You then put it through a condenser to convert the steam back to water, and have 1000% pure H2O. THAT is the water to protect yourself; Boiling and straining is NICE, but doesn’t remove everything. So overboiling might well benefit you. Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
34. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 1:32 PM EDT
"No; You then put it through a condenser to convert the steam back to water, and have 1000% pure H2O. THAT is the water to protect yourself; Boiling and straining is NICE, but doesn’t remove everything. So overboiling might well benefit you."Solar still is a low energy alternative to boiling, can even be used to make urine, alkaline water and salt water usable. Do you find this valuable? |
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jarek.king |
35. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 2:17 PM EDT
"No; You then put it through a condenser to convert the steam back to water, and have 1000% pure H2O. THAT is the water to protect yourself; Boiling and straining is NICE, but doesn’t remove everything. So overboiling might well benefit you."Well considering a condenser uses excessive amounts of fuel and is huge it doesnt seem very reliable. boiling is boiling if i had the equipment and the endless diesal to run that beast then yes i would use it but since i dont and i'll be on the run then i'll just use my pot to bring my water to a boil since viruses die by the time the water gets to a rolling boil. Now on to those .0004 micron filters that don't exist. I've been to tons of sites and not a single one had one less than .2 microns; making them good for bacteria but BAD for viruses. This site is about survival not fantasy, so fall back on the age old secret for killing viruses and boil your water, i'll bring mine to a boil you boil yours for 35 years just boil it and be safe. Do you find this valuable? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
36. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 3:22 PM EDT
"Solar still is a low energy alternative to boiling, can even be used to make urine, alkaline water and salt water usable."Ok, ok, you got me there.:p Jarek, you gotta boil the water ANYWAYS, meaning that steam is going to escape ANYWAYS, meaning you loose water ANYWAYS, which means you COULD put a lid over the put and collect the steam into water- ANYWAYS… (Yes, I enjoyed it…) Do you find this valuable? |
boogeyman77 |
37. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 3:51 PM EDT
Well an option is to drink bottled water. either that or break into a high school chemistry lab and take a distillation chamber. that would make it easy to collect the steam and you might even be able to use a little dry ice or something to condense it quickly along the water bath route and collect it at a decent temperature. but unfortunately with the distillation process you would have to have SOMETHING that would cause the steam to condense other than just the cooler air around it. Another idea would be to store massive amounts of water long before hand. but then again who thinks THAT far ahead?Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
38. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 4:09 PM EDT
"Well an option is to drink bottled water. either that or break into a high school chemistry lab and take a distillation chamber. that would make it easy to collect the steam and you might even be able to use a little dry ice or something to condense it quickly along the water bath route and collect it at a decent temperature. but unfortunately with the distillation process you would have to have SOMETHING that would cause the steam to condense other than just the cooler air around it. Another idea would be to store massive amounts of water long before hand. but then again who thinks THAT far ahead?You can also rig up a still from a pressure cooker, some pipe fittings, copper tubing, and a few other odds and ends. You can test it out ahead of time by converting bad wine and booze to pure grain alcohol. And, a lot of people store massive amounts of water, well hundreds and thousands of gallons anyway. They call them swimming pools. Do you find this valuable? |
Dvergamali |
39. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 6:38 PM EDT
Donty really need to condense it. that will happen on its own. close the container, like a lid on a pot and collect the runoff from the lid. Pretty easy to rig up. Built one once from a small propane tank, a 2 liter bottle and a few pieces of pvc pipe. water tasted like pvc pipe but it was clean.
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Dvergamali |
40. RE: What if the Water Supply is Infected?
Oct 8 2008, 6:47 PM EDT
"Well I'm happy I'm not Screwed. I actually already thought about that so I've been putting it threw filters and letting it sit out (like how chlorine evaporates) and then storing it in milk jugs. I've got like 2 months of water stored up already."64 oz. per day times 60 days = 3840 oz whis is 30 US gallons. Per person you could live on less for sure but this is the ammount you really should drink. Figure much more if you intend to cook with it. How many people you storing for? Just yourself? 5 people? 15? That gets to be a crapton of water to store. Yes you can filter some as you go along you need an easy fast way to do it. thats ALOT of milk jugs. Do you find this valuable? |
