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AgEnT_GrEEn	20. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 7:49 AM EDT "¿And you ‘can’t’ get a 7.62×39MM upper for the AR… Why? ¿Is it illegal where you live?" He probably thinks they look fugly, which they do since AK-AR mixes are bastard rifles....Life or death I'd take it until I found a better gun, which I'll be doing a lot of. I'd keep the old one too if the situation permits... dizzdeathwing: Really, if you go to a gunshow, then I'm certain you'll find some killer deals on NON KommBlok shooten irons....You just have to look! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
dizzdeathwing	21. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 9:24 AM EDT Oh, I see he wants me to get an ar-15 or something. Trust me I would love to, the reason i said I dont like them is to add to the fact I don't have the money for one, unless you want to buy me one I am not going to be getting one. as for the "real" gun thing, I hate to tell anyone who would argue an ak is the most used gun in the world, the only people that don't use it are NATO country's, reason its used so much... Its easy to maintain, doesnt stop working, and its easy to handle. I'll say it this way the AK was established as a real gun long before the ar-15's! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dizzdeathwing	22. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 9:25 AM EDT and why the hate for kommblock weaponry? and what the hell does that even mean? (i've never heard the term before) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AgEnT_GrEEn	23. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 9:55 AM EDT "and why the hate for kommblock weaponry? and what the hell does that even mean? (i've never heard the term before)" KommBlok=Communist Bloc.....Plenty of weapons were made by those countries in their Service and Impressment by Mother Russia. I mean, They do work, yes....But the AR family is practically interchangable and heavily customizable to suit one's needs...Also, after Vietnam the AR series went though an overhaul to surpass the quality and reliablility of the KommBlok shooten irons.....If that's all you can afford, the I seriously suggest an SKS with the bayonet attatchment, but on Z-Day, be sure to ditch that sucker if you come across an AR-15 or an M16 or an M-4 or the like...As long as you know how to operate and care for it....If not, then stick with your Skinjob Killing Stick, or SKS. Sorry, can't do straw deals, you'd have to buy the AR-15 yourself. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DaveBall	24. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 12:04 PM EDT Why did this thread go into another AK vs AR??? The Question was what rifle do we as survivalist suggest to get for a inexpensive price. It was stated that the AR and other more expensive weapons are out of the price range. I would also suggest to go to a gun show, or gun broker.com. you will find a variety of weapons to choose from for $300 or under. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dizzdeathwing	25. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 12:40 PM EDT I would love to get an ar or similar, but a problem remains. I wouldnt mind spending up to 700$ on a used firearm, but what model/make of ar-15 would get me the most bang for my buck? and could use 5.56 and .223 interchangeably, yes there is a difference.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SkipNChurch	26. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 1:13 PM EDT "I would love to get an ar or similar, but a problem remains. I wouldnt mind spending up to 700$ on a used firearm, but what model/make of ar-15 would get me the most bang for my buck? and could use 5.56 and .223 interchangeably, yes there is a difference...." Get a copy of Shotgun News. For a 700usd budget you can build your own AR type gun to almost any configuration you might like in the "Service Rifle" pattern. For practical purposes there is NO difference between the .225Remington/5.56NATO cartridge in a mil.spec rifle chamber. Arguments on and about "interchangeability" always come back to "match rifle vs. .mil" and have been rode to death all over the 'net prior. With political climate so sharp these days, obtaining an AR for your budget will be tough, but doable with shopping and patience. If you've got cash in hand, when econ does take a bad nose dive there will be arms for sale as folks need to make ends meet. Again, I'll set my real_world_shooters voice here. "Any version of unaltered SKS will do you well for bouncing bad boys or zottin' Zed." "ATAS", "All Tactical And Shit" doesn't do squat for function nor reliability. Keeping something simple, workable and in turn indestructible is a "good flukkin' thing". Changing, hanging, placing tons of assorted crap on a gun doesn't make it hit the "X" a damn bit better if you can't use all those toys under grave extremes. Keep whatever gun you do end up ready to go by making sure it can and does go BANG!!! every time trigger is pulled. Unkle Zed and Undead Again Band gonna love you when you've got to find right allen wrench, replace a battery, or find the instruction manual for your ATAS POS added on toy. EOM Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Hell_Razor	27. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 1:18 PM EDT Guns are just like cars, you get what you pay for. The problem with gun shows is that they are somewhat like garage sales in that everyone is trying to get rid of their old stuff. The rifle you buy may have maintenance issues that can only be fixed by a gun smith, AR, AK or not. For a good, quality AR, you might want to save up and get a Smith&Wesson M&P 15. It'll set you back about 1100, but it's reliable and accurate as hell. I absolutely adore mine. If you can wait that long before buying one, it's well worth it. On the flip side, I got my AK for about 600 bucks, even though it was the more expensive option. It has good accuracy on the range, but not quite the pin point accuracy my AR has. It will still get the job done if you're on a budget, especially since I can put cheaper ammo through it than my AR. One of these days I'm going to get around to shooting both weapons on a range methodically and meticulously so I can bring up a detailed analysis of cost, handling, rapid target engagement and accuracy. Hopefully I can end this stupid debate once and for all. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Andering_J_REDDSON	28. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 2:20 PM EDT "Guns are just like cars, you get what you pay for. The problem with gun shows is that they are somewhat like garage sales in that everyone is trying to get rid of their old stuff. The rifle you buy may have maintenance issues that can only be fixed by a gun smith, AR, AK or not." That is so frakking true. Ok, true story; My old man wanted to get either an AR or an AK. He meets this guy at a gun show who says he can get “special custom” stuff for a little extra money. Ya, turns out “special custom” meant “automatic” (which is of course illegal). So the AK and AR and ‘a couple of others’ mentioned here were trotted out, dad tried them all. The AK jammed after the third mag; The AR didn’t jam at all. T. sayes something to the effect of “commie piece ah shit”, but I noticed he also wanted an extra $50 for the AR. Draw your own conclusions. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
crowleyj	29. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 3:09 PM EDT if bucks are the prob you can build AR as said, Or buy an sks they can be built up. You can get new stocks, heck you can bullpup it. modify to except mags get weavr style attachment points all sorts of goodies. An cheaper ammo since it's 7.62x39. in a money sit I'd go with th sks. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dizzdeathwing	30. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 3:12 PM EDT I am thinking about getting a DPMS Panther Lite, for about 700$, I make about 200$ a week, Car insurance(400$ is due in january) I found this thing at my local gunshop where I take the gun home, and if i pay it off in 6 months there is no interest. Say I put 100$ in the bank every week, I could pay it off and car insurance in about 2-3 months. should I do this or just wait? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dizzdeathwing	31. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 4:56 PM EDT would a 30/30 be a good choice(marlin 336 or something)? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
byates	32. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 10:50 PM EDT "would a 30/30 be a good choice(marlin 336 or something)?" Works for me, similar power to a 7.62x39 Russian, and less likely to arouse suspicion. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nightcreeper78	33. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 11:07 PM EDT "Works for me, similar power to a 7.62x39 Russian, and less likely to arouse suspicion." How about a Ruger mini-14(.223) or mini-30(7.62x39mm)? They're a decent rifle with a lot of accessories and parts. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SkipNChurch	34. Prefer Marlin's flattop design. Yes to 30-30 Sep 25 2008, 11:50 PM EDT "would a 30/30 be a good choice(marlin 336 or something)?" Hard to go wrong with 30-30 Winchester. Up close and personal it is still a "vest puncher". Longer ranges out to 200-350 yards, with practice and good sights, its mighty useful. Tube mag, easy with practice to refill, common everywhere ammo, and still fairly inexpensive in now times. I've got two Model 94's and a 36 Marlin (pre WW2, smooth and sweet like they were built back then), all of them are designated as bugout guns for our real_world plans. If Unkle Zed and Undead Again Band come knocking, the 30-30's will do the answering.. EOM Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AgEnT_GrEEn	35. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 25 2008, 11:53 PM EDT "Works for me, similar power to a 7.62x39 Russian, and less likely to arouse suspicion." What's so suspicious about Rusky ammo? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SkipNChurch	36. No, please, to Mini-14, ctext: Sep 25 2008, 11:59 PM EDT " How about a Ruger mini-14(.223) or mini-30(7.62x39mm)? They're a decent rifle with a lot of accessories and parts. " PIA to fix N78. Break it? Ruger will fix it. Send it back to factory, and they will make their lifetime warranty right. Zero problems with that.. Until its something silly like a broken firing pin, lost screw, something small to large, Ruger allows almost nothing done "away from home". (I have a handsome old 3-screw Blackhawk in 357. It isn't that collectible, but hasn't gone back for the Ruger transferbar fix, and I don't want it fixed that way! Anything breaks? I'll have to send it back.. Ugghh.) One of my problems continued with Mini-14 specifically is the proprietary magazines. Ruger only, or aftermarket aide just for Mini-14's. No surplus AR/M-16 mags, no STANG mags.. Just Ruger. Aftermarket mags for Mini have a reputation for massive suckage in performance. Mini is also know as a "Minute of Barn Door" for accuracy shooting. They do well enough, but you can do better with almost anything else when pot shooting or paper punching. If you can get one version or another inexpensively, go ahead, you won't have a bad gun, but be warned there are some bad sides to the little rifle that had me sell the two I had, and every one since that has been in my hoary paws., EOM Post reply Do you find this valuable?
byates	37. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 26 2008, 2:54 AM EDT "What's so suspicious about Rusky ammo?" Not the ammo, just the guns that shoot it, gives the gun control cultist fits. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AgEnT_GrEEn	38. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 26 2008, 9:46 AM EDT "Not the ammo, just the guns that shoot it, gives the gun control cultist fits." I'll have to choose my words carefully here... An SKS in its unaltered form does not qualify as an 'assault weapon,' yet it fires the same cartridge as the AK-47; therefore gun control activists current efforts are futile in terms of banning this particular model of rifle along with other rifles of similar class...It is safe to assume that if you purchase an SKS, that you are not subjected to standard 'Assault weapons' rules, laws and regulations if such were to be re-enacted in the next Presidency. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DaveBall	39. RE: What rifle should I get? Sep 26 2008, 11:04 AM EDT 30-30 rifles with lever action are okay (slow by today's semi. auto's). I can shoot a bolt action at a faster pace than a my winchester 94. A bolt action would give you a huge variety of ammo. choices. I suggest from .223 to .338. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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