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SkipNChurch	Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 2 2008, 5:14 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2008, 5:14 PM EDT Community Members, As in anything else, this place is what you help make of it. I know "Zombies" as shown in fiction, movies, books, many venues do not "exist" in the Real World. What the ZW is doing is trying to be a resource and place where the "Real" and "Zombie World" can blend, mix, and in turn help bring about a spot where we who like and enjoy the terrors of Unkle Zed can enjoy ourselves. Cleaning clutter is not a "personal vendetta". We will be hopefully simplifying the formatting, the number of threads, and hopefully helping ZW become an attractive spot for those who wish to participate. SnC Post reply 8 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Big Sweep Broom clutter busting e.cleaning fixing formatting repairs
Andering_J_REDDSON	1. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 3 2008, 12:04 AM EDT This site REALLY suffers from a lack of professionalism; I’ve RALLIED on the issue more than once. We really look like assholes at times. It’s one thing for spelling, punctuation, grammar to be atrocious in threads, even a few BIG WORDS getting mispelt or a few capitalizations for be flubbed in the page is forgivable, but when we have 14 new pages and each of them looks like they were written by a third grader with the comment at the end “if my spelling or grammar sucks, wateve”… Well, I mean SERIOUSLY, ¿what are we supposed to say? I propose: 1. New Images Rule: If you want to add an image to the site, you do so through the gallery, not directly to the page. (I know, I did this too, before I KNEW about the gallery.) 2. New Pages: If you want to establish a new page, you make a request to the mods; If one of THEM think’s it’s worthy, it gets forwarded to an Admin to actually create the page. That’s just Andy shooting from the hip. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Andering_J_REDDSON	2. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 3 2008, 12:56 AM EDT 3. No adding names to ‘professional’ pages; If your name has to be on the page, it’s an opinion. If you’re NOT a professional in the field, you don’t need your name on it. I dare ANY ONE OF YOU to tell ME you know more about ships than me. Likewise, try telling Alicestar you know more about explosives than he does (or Marsden, even though he doesn’t ever seem to talk about it). I DARE you. Really, I need a joke. At that, I’ve only REALLY done that on one page (Maritime Solutions), and as far as can immediately remember A/C and Mars haven’t done that. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
cj002	5. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 3 2008, 7:17 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2008, 7:17 PM EDT I think we need to get rid of threads that havnt been replied to in months and go through the really long threads deleting the comments taht dont relate to the thread. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Andering_J_REDDSON	6. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 4 2008, 6:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 4 2008, 6:56 PM EDT 4. All threads are to stay on topic (with reasonable ladditude given to asides), and "ancient" threads will be purged after conversion to a permanat page. (Based on cj's comment.) Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Encon	7. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 4 2008, 11:07 PM EDT "2. New Pages: If you want to establish a new page, you make a request to the mods; If one of THEM think’s it’s worthy, it gets forwarded to an Admin to actually create the page. " Umm, isn't the entire point of a wiki to allow everyone to add their own pages? Perhaps a 7-day trial period is used instead, with a thread holding yes or no votes to the page. Also, assuming my idea is ignored, does rule #2 go for subpages as well? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
byates	8. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 5 2008, 12:41 AM EDT Look at what these people are doing http://zombiehunters.org/ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SkipNChurch	9. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 5 2008, 12:59 AM EDT "Umm, isn't the entire point of a wiki to allow everyone to add their own pages? Perhaps a 7-day trial period is used instead, with a thread holding yes or no votes to the page. Also, assuming my idea is ignored, does rule #2 go for subpages as well? " Encon, I'm thinking that ZW will be moving towards a more interest centered look and feel. Thing is now, we have 10k people running around the Boards "tagging", spraying anything they want wherever they care to. We end up with eleventy-dozen same or similar threads. "My AK can kick your AR's ass!", and page after page of shrill idiotic non-knowledgeable crap (mostly based off what video game du month is popular).... What I would like to see is a decent formation up of broad general ideas, and participants in ZW posting on those pages done by individuals with original ideas. Several ideas have been flogged to death. "Which X do I bring to Zed Day, and What G is the BEST to stop looters from stealing Sisters undies with!!!??/111!!!OMFG11!!!??" After a bit leetspeak and sub grade level english gets far too much to wade through. I've got permission to clean formatting and occasional spelling goof. Kinda wanted to have the Big Red Button of d00m!11!!!!OMFG!!!11! so I could.. nevermind.. We'd like to see the Boards cleaner. Like to have folks put their information in their own threads, let users and participants answer those specific questions. I would enjoy to see the Discussion Board used for that, discussion, and not an incessant opening up of still one more "Best Of" "My X can kick Your Z's ass while chopping Zombies at 5000 meters!1!!1!!!POWNED!!111" kind of bullshit. No one will have their views or ability to freely express themselves abridged, but will have to find a proper venue to place that opinion. There is such a format now, but has been ignored. ZW is hard to use, and isn't a lot of fun. Love to see more fiction and Zed times oriented writing. People gotta learn how to adjust mind to being IN times of Unkle Zed and Undead Band.. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Quickrace89	10. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 5 2008, 8:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 8:31 AM EDT Is there a way we can force people to agree to rules before they join the wiki? Then ban them if they break them? Archiving threads would be great - let's face it, it's a pretty embarrasing and unconfident wiki that doesn't acknowledge its flaws and idiocy. And some of the threads you'd be deleting are quite humourous in their stupidity. Perhaps the archive section could be organized into serious threads that have helped the wiki decide on facts and taught people new things, and threads that... are reciepts for Andering's many pairs of boots. To fix the issue of uncategorized pages with someone's stupid, ill-thought out and insignificant opinions on them, new members should start out as registered users. Registered users cannot create pages, but they can make threads, edit pages and reply to threads. After a 7 day probation period, they are promoted to Writer, which allows them to make pages. If they make the pages we're trying to get rid of, they get demoted to Registered User for 7 days. If they keep making the same mistake, they're banned. Off-topic deviations in threads aren't THAT bad... I for one admit to doing it a lot, and I know many other figures of authority do it too. You know who you are. It gives life to the wiki, so I think it should be allowed in moderation. Pages should require correct spelling, grammar, and use of capitals. Especially the major pages that everything is categorized under. Correct use of capitals in titles needs to be taught to all of the mods. Correct spelling and grammar in threads should be encouraged. On the subject of spelling, I've been using British (also Australian) spelling for all my writing. For example, America says color, Britain says colour. America says armor, Britain says armour. America uses Z where Britain uses S. Shall I change to American spelling, or is it not an issue? More to come. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cj002	11. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 5 2008, 3:03 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 3:03 PM EDT Iv tought about it and heres the paradox thats overcrowding our forums. 1. Its difficult to find the subject youre looking for when the search box brings up every mention of the praticular word(s) youre searching for throughout the whole site. And with over 2000 threads this made it very hard to find the page i wanted. 2. As a newcomer to the site I immeadiatly wanted to know the differing opions on some of zombie survivals most contreversial pionts. Unfuortunatley, being contreversial, they had alredy been debated over several pages in hard to read format. The solution is simple when a thread reaches a certain size it should be converted to a page and whoever contributed to that thread will be sent a message requesting that they summerize their posts onto the page, if they dont want to then whoevers tending the page can do it for them. The posts converted to the page will only be the menbers opion pretaining to the original subject. A thread will be started at the bottom of the page that will contain all critiscim of the ideas contained above, this thread will not show up in the discussion forum section as it is not open for debate and preatains solely to the information on the page in wich it is contained. Not all threads will be able to be converted such as matters of complete opion, i.e. what gun do you perfer. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Andering_J_REDDSON	12. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 5 2008, 6:05 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 6:05 PM EDT "Umm, isn't the entire point of a wiki to allow everyone to add their own pages?" You have a PROFILE. That is where opinions belog. And I say abuse the FRAK outa your profile; No one that I'm aware of has ever complained about a profile, except me, over people NOT having them. And yes, this applies to sub-pages as well. Folks, we had EIGHT PAGES all dedicated to the same subject, and they weren't supages (I'm sure we have more than 8 vehicle pages). It gets to be reduciulous after a while. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Quickrace89	13. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 6 2008, 2:36 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 6 2008, 2:36 AM EDT Debate and discussion pages are alright... but they perhaps should be under a Discussions category. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cj002	14. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 6 2008, 8:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 6 2008, 8:29 PM EDT "Debate and discussion pages are alright... but they perhaps should be under a Discussions category." We could have branch off pages from the real pages and thes would be titled menber opions pages then the "actual" pages will be kept to what the general consenceus on siad subject is. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Andering_J_REDDSON	15. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 6 2008, 9:57 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 6 2008, 9:57 PM EDT Most of the locked pages do… Post reply Do you find this valuable?
McSkullcracken	16. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 7 2008, 11:48 PM EDT Quite a bit of my page contributions are more opinion based, rather than me professing expertise in any one area. From what I've seen these pages ask a question or somehow request a member's opinion, and then people leave a one time opinion of a paragraph or two. I sometimes prefer this method to thread posts as you generally have fewer arguments on the page, they tend to go to threads. Pages also do not have the spacial restrictions of threads, and they have features threads lack (like spellcheck). So personally, I like the idea of people continuing to create pages with a high degree of freedom. What may be needed is some people watching for new pages created that don't add anything of value or that cover a topic covered by pre-existing pages. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Andering_J_REDDSON	17. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 8 2008, 1:24 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 1:24 AM EDT "So personally, I like the idea of people continuing to create pages with a high degree of freedom." Speaking out of school BUT… Most of the mods felt the same way. A few didn’t have an opinion. Unfortunately, we also agreed that there was WAY too much vandalism (an example sited was some deliberate dis-information related to a particular firearm designed to get people killed), so we had to lock certain pages. After a lot of “discussion” we pared it down to the absolute bare-minimum pages to ensure technical integrity (in other words, we didn’t lock anything we didn’t HAVE to). All y’all that don’t like this: Thank your “compatriots” who decided to fuck around and cause trouble. Not ALL of them have been banned, so please, give them a round of applause. As my CC’s used to say, “Tell your shipmates how much you appreciate their ‘help’.” Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AgEnT_GrEEn	18. Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 8 2008, 1:30 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 1:30 AM EDT Skip: You basically listed all my cuts of beef with newbies; I seriously hope something will be done to attempt to curb the amount of such users so the Forums and Site don't suffer another bout of Hollis-itis.... Quickrace's ideas on how to go about it sound feasible, but only if such positions already exist within the Wetpaint Chain of Command....I've only seen Anonymous, Banned, Registered User, Moderator, Administrator, Canceled and Site Creator. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
McSkullcracken	19. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 8 2008, 2:26 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 2:26 AM EDT Could have sworn the Writer role already existed, and that at one point the ability to create/edit pages was restricted to Writer and up, meaning Registered Users could not create/edit pages. Perhaps we should switch back to that permanently. I remember asking Marsden to be a Writer so I could edit pages once more. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Andering_J_REDDSON	20. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Oct 8 2008, 2:43 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 2:43 AM EDT "(M)eaning Registered Users could not create/edit pages." That feature seems to have been removed; Now anyone can edit a page (irregadrless of their knowledge, skill, or basic intelligence), and create as many pages as they want (irregardless how pointelss it is or how many times it's been covered already). Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Waghte	21. RE: Attracting the "outside world" to look and participate Jan 10 2009, 6:37 PM EST The first thing I noticed when I joined was the disorganization of the site, I found it quite difficult to navigate through. the side bar has little if any organization behind it and you just have to wade around and hope you find something relevant to your interests. Occasionally you would find something cool, but it would be a page with just banter in it and nothing that worked as a relevant article. and other instances you'd find a super LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG page with others comments and you couldn't make heads or tales on when the article began and the cometary ended. I think the best way to attract people to the site is to make the site look and feel professional. Give a set number of sections with sub sections within. Easier navigation would make it appealing to a wider audience. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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