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Ashely_J_Williams
Ashely_J_Williams
underground bunkers?
Oct 13 2008, 4:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 4:33 PM EDT
Uh, then your TRAPED in a concret box in the dirt. that's like, a conret cofin. 6  out of 11 found this valuable. Do you?    
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AgEnT_GrEEn
AgEnT_GrEEn
1. RE: underground bunkers?
Oct 13 2008, 5:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 5:16 PM EDT
"Uh, then your TRAPED in a concret box in the dirt. that's like, a conret cofin."
Epic failure, I have no time for this as I mush head to the Apple Orchard as of YESTERDAY, but when I get back...If no one will explain the pros and cons to you.....I will, but not so much as to anger Andy. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
byates
byates
2. RE: underground bunkers?
Oct 13 2008, 5:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 5:49 PM EDT
"Uh, then your TRAPED in a concret box in the dirt. that's like, a conret cofin."
You want to be RAPED in a concrete coffin? Kinky
Or TAPED in a concrete coffin? Bad acoustics, or did you have something kinky in mind?
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
3. RE: underground bunkers?
Oct 13 2008, 5:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 5:50 PM EDT
To save our Greenie from the ban he almost seems to be seeking...
Take a pickaxe with you. Dig your way out. It's really not "hard" so much as time consuming. Do you find this valuable?    
SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
4. TAPED? Is like..
Oct 13 2008, 6:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 6:31 PM EDT
Taped and raped in same evolution?

I knew a gal.. Err, nevermind..

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AgEnT_GrEEn
AgEnT_GrEEn
5. White flag of Surrender!!
Oct 13 2008, 6:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 6:46 PM EDT
"To save our Greenie from the ban he almost seems to be seeking...
Take a pickaxe with you. Dig your way out. It's really not "hard" so much as time consuming."
I cease and desist... Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
6. RE: White flag of Surrender!!
Oct 13 2008, 6:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 6:50 PM EDT
Enough with the rape, guys, that's not funny.
Not this time, anyways. Do you find this valuable?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
7. RE: White flag of Surrender!!
Oct 13 2008, 7:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2008, 7:00 PM EDT
Perhaps when ashley learns to calm down enough to spell like a regular person, we'll all engage in serous coversation.

anyway, as far as bunkers. they are generally VERY well built, they normally have life support systems built in, and they are normally very secure.

Some missle silos are even built to withstand a theorectical nuclear attack.

having said that, always have an escape plan, you can bet your ass that if i'm locked in a bunker, with food and water, and i have the tools to do so i will be building an escape tunnel. Do you find this valuable?    
SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
8. Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 14 2008, 3:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2008, 3:49 PM EDT
I have nuked your last two here, and several others in other threads for pure, blatant, bullshavings idiocy.

Your particular style and lack of ability are wearing thin on this mean_old_man's few remaining happy nerves.

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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
9. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 14 2008, 5:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2008, 5:25 PM EDT
"I have nuked your last two here, and several others in other threads for pure, blatant, bullshavings idiocy."
Skip-
Don't dpo that agian. Ahs "Amuses" me.

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Oakspar77777
Oakspar77777
10. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 24 2009, 6:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 6:11 PM EDT
I would suggest to anyone considering underground survival to invest in BUYING a backhoe.

That said, with enough time and MONEY, you can have an underground bunker built to withstand Zed, Nukes, and everything else.

1) Your primary living quarters needs to be BIG. Big is better than deep. Most exsplosions follow the ground (and if the govt is dropping bunker busters on you, you are nailed anyways). I would suggest at least 500 square feet per person. 1000 would be better. It can be subdivided into room for strength.

2) You need multiple, secure (hidden and strong) ways in and out. These entries need security redundancy (where if an entry is compromised, a second entry is behind it).

3) You need food storage (possibly food growth for long term- hydroponics), water (storage and well), waste disposal, air filtration (nuclear dust, chemical/biological agents), and energy (both stored and generation). For energy, you can have your exercise equipement (necessary for fitness and sanity underground) wired to generate enough power to keep your lights on (if you and your group is willing to put a few hours every day on the machines).

4) Visability. Cameras, gopher-ports, periscope, etc. You need to know when it is safe to surface (a geiger counter is necessary as well).

So, with about two years construction time, 3+ acres of land, and $200,000, you should be able to put in an underground bunker worthy of protecting you from Z's, Nukes, Chem/Bio warfare, and armed raider activity. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
11. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 24 2009, 7:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 7:08 PM EDT
"So, with about two years construction time, 3+ acres of land, and $200,000, you should be able to put in an underground bunker worthy of protecting you from Z's, Nukes, Chem/Bio warfare, and armed raider activity."
That seems very cheap for a completely self-sustaining underground fortress. What kind of equipment are you looking at? Could we get a breakdown of the inventory and costs, with links? Do you find this valuable?    
ViolentKisses
ViolentKisses
12. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 24 2009, 7:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 7:59 PM EDT
I'd also like to hear more details on this bunker
I plan to build one to my home when i'm out of college and out of debt and building my frist home :)

Self sustaining is a bit much but i dream about it all the time with different innovations and such
Still mine will likely be just nice basement with water and power sources independant of the grid. I have yet to determine how to get suffciant air supply other than filling the basement with philodendron and bamboo palms...

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Oakspar77777
Oakspar77777
13. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Oct 25 2009, 9:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 9:20 AM EDT
Well, it depends on what you want. If you want to survive a nuclear blast, there is a company out in Utah that will build you a bunker out of 10' steel pipe (they sell all of the extras, including air filtration, water circulation, and even will put them in the ground and link them up for you). You got the money, they will get you a bomb shelter that can hold you for months. If you have one access in your home's basement and the other well hidden (covered however well pumps are covered in your area, for example), then you will have more than you need for any apocalypse.

Now, if you are not too concerned with nuclear blast, you can go in a few different directions.

1) The extended root cellar is the only one I am familiar with. Excavate you intended area (this is why you should drop the 20k to own your backhoe). Stick to long and narrow, as this is stronger. Cement in a slab along your trench. Mason in cinder block walls. Back fill with gravel. Put in a DOMED ceiling (check with whoever supplies conduits to your local waste water treatment facility, they likely have a standard mold for half-pipe that you can prep your trench/walls to line up with). Then, bury the top of your man made cave with at least 4' of dirt. There will be a very visible ridge, so this is not a hidden route, unless you really go deep with your trench. This is also NOT a plan to use in earthquake prone areas.

2) Move to Coober Preddy in Austrailia

3) There are many "green" home designs that incorporate underground construction for its energy efficient design. While these homes usually have an exposed face to the south, that seems like an easily fortified plan.

Oh, and as for air - they have pumps with filters that can be worked by hand or electricity for air exchange. Water also is a constant bother underground. That stable 55 degree temperature means that moisture will constantly condensate on the walls. Do you find this valuable?    

Securiger
14. RE: underground bunkers?
Jun 12 2010, 7:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 7:45 AM EDT
I've got to say, I agree. Underground bunkers are excellent protection if you expect to be nuked, bombed, or shelled. They may also do for protection against gassing, if the design is especially adapted for that. But last time I checked the Zeds have no artillery, and for most other purposes, the disadvantages of underground outweigh the advantages. Those are:
a) extremely expensive or time consuming to build, compared to normal construction;
b) difficult to keep dry and comfortable for long occupation;
c) difficult to ventilate adequately (in many real cases, this has lead to asphyxiation);
d) very restricted storage space for food and water;
e) poor communications reception;
f) nearly impossible to exit in an emergency e.g. fire;
g) and worst of all: no lines of fire to establish a defence. Do you find this valuable?    

Securiger
15. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Jun 12 2010, 7:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 7:52 AM EDT
Got some good ideas there, but you greatly underestimate the cost. $200,00 gets you a regular timber-framed, veneer two bedroom house that wouldn't keep out an angry husband with a sledgehammer. The facility you describe would cost many times more than $200,000 even if you built it above ground. Probably about $700k - $1 million is a more realistic price for an above-ground version. The premium for taking it underground depends on the local water-table, soil consistency etc. but I would be surprised if you could do it for less than $5 million. Do you find this valuable?    

MajorDamage
16. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Jun 12 2010, 7:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 7:56 AM EDT
Securiger,

this is what we term a 'necro post' indicated by the date stamps.

You are replying to ghosts if the posters are pre 2009. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
17. RE: Ashley, consider your next post, this thread..
Jun 12 2010, 8:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 8:22 AM EDT
Good points, but necropost. Locked. Do you find this valuable?