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MkVenner
undead equine
Oct 16 2008, 3:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2008, 3:26 AM EDT
What happens if you do have a horse at your fortress and then it dies in the middle of the night from old age or something, and you're sleeping near it? Will it become a zombie and nibble on your ears long enough to wake you up so you can look into its big, brown, undead eyes like some horrible version of Black Beauty, before it crushes your skull beneath its hoof and feasts upon your steaming grey matter? Can horses even become zeds?
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gijew
gijew
2. RE: undead equine
Oct 18 2008, 7:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 18 2008, 7:27 PM EDT
i would say no in the zsg it says only humans can turn into zombies. and i would not keep hourses in my base. Do you find this valuable?    
ViciousRanger
ViciousRanger
3. RE: undead equine
Oct 19 2008, 12:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2008, 12:13 AM EDT
All we can really do is HOPE that animals can't become zombies. Otherwise birds would be a huge problem.

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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
4. RE: undead equine
Oct 19 2008, 11:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2008, 11:13 AM EDT
idk, depending on how hostile they are undead horses might be kinda cool in the darkwatch sense of things. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
comonsense
comonsense
5. RE: undead equine
Nov 17 2008, 10:16 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2008, 10:16 PM EST
"All we can really do is HOPE that animals can't become zombies. Otherwise birds would be a huge problem.

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and mosquitos, those are my worst fear if they carry them then we have a huge problem
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McSkullcracken
McSkullcracken
6. RE: undead equine
Nov 17 2008, 11:03 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2008, 11:03 PM EST
I imagine that whatever causes humans to become zombies will/would be specific to humans, or at least only cause humans to become zombies and kill animals(like in the Zombie Survival Guide).
But if it does affect animals, including horses, it will be a whole new trouble for us to consider. Luckily I live in an area away from horses, but horses can run faster than any zombie I have heard of, so their infection would be minimal. Just try to keep an eye on your horse and sleep away from it.
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Legion12
7. RE: undead equine
Nov 17 2008, 11:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2008, 11:07 PM EST
"and mosquitos, those are my worst fear if they carry them then we have a huge problem"
How about the common Fly, hey walk in zombie blood, and then they walk all over everything Ask any of the vets back from Iraq.
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comonsense
comonsense
8. RE: undead equine
Nov 18 2008, 12:24 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 12:24 AM EST
yeah any insect that come with living as a human would effect us in an odd way if they also interacted with zombies brrr thats a nasty thought. and if the common housefly was able to land on your flesh wound or in your food with the blood that was be catastrophic (unless the blood was dried i guess) Do you find this valuable?    

DaveBall
10. RE: undead equine
Nov 18 2008, 10:25 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 10:25 AM EST
If you have a horse in your fortress common cents tells me that you would keep it in a pen or other room. At least you would tie it up so it isn't wandering around and destroying your supplies. You would also not want it Shitting and Pissing all over your fortress. And you can't teach a horse to go in a certain place.

There's no way I would keep a horse or any animal ( except a dog or cat ), and not have it secured in a designated area.
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comonsense
comonsense
11. RE: undead equine
Nov 18 2008, 10:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 10:40 PM EST
well in the old frountier days, the woodsmen would hobble their hourses so they wouldn't run away maby thats a solution Do you find this valuable?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
12. RE: undead equine
Nov 18 2008, 11:43 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 11:43 PM EST
"If you have a horse in your fortress common cents tells me that you would keep it in a pen or other room. At least you would tie it up so it isn't wandering around and destroying your supplies. You would also not want it Shitting and Pissing all over your fortress. And you can't teach a horse to go in a certain place.

There's no way I would keep a horse or any animal ( except a dog or cat ), and not have it secured in a designated area. "
what about chickens? they help weed your lawn.
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McSkullcracken
McSkullcracken
13. RE: undead equine
Nov 19 2008, 2:22 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 19 2008, 2:22 AM EST
I would think hobbling a horse would limit its usefulness, but I readily admit I know little about horses.
If you do need horses in your fortress, I suppose the solution would be to keep them secured so if they do get infected they can't just wander about and 'nibble' on whoever they come across. DaveBall's comments on the sh!t and piss dictate common sense would keep a horse in seperate quarters from you anyway.
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comonsense
comonsense
14. RE: undead equine
Nov 20 2008, 1:27 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 1:27 AM EST
"I would think hobbling a horse would limit its usefulness, but I readily admit I know little about horses.
If you do need horses in your fortress, I suppose the solution would be to keep them secured so if they do get infected they can't just wander about and 'nibble' on whoever they come across. DaveBall's comments on the sh!t and piss dictate common sense would keep a horse in seperate quarters from you anyway."
hiey i am just sayin
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AgEnT_GrEEn
AgEnT_GrEEn
15. RE: undead equine
Nov 20 2008, 4:06 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 4:06 AM EST
"hiey"
is for horses.

As for the topic: My punniness brings me to this: Where are you gonna find feed and the like for your horses when ole Shank n' Bessie've ate up all the grass in your compound?

You're gonna have to consider that along with medicine, proper brushes and cleaning facilities among other needs and items; a horse is a good deal of work for even the avid horseman, what makes some city slickers believe they can magically take care of a horse without having SEEN one before?

Plus, if you've never ridden one before [I used to ride them, loved every second of it] you aren't gonna learn to magically do that either.....Walk up behind the horse? WHAM!! You just got your ribcaged busted and you're on your ass. Piss off the horse? AHHH!!! You just got bucked and stomped on. Mind you, a horse is a lot friendlier than a donkey, more people are killed by donkeys each year than in airplane crashes. X_X

Horses, donkeys and other ride-able animals are just like airplanes, choppers, tanks, APCs and other vehicles, if you don't know how to drive 'em properly, ditch it and find something you do know.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
16. RE: undead equine
Nov 20 2008, 4:10 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 4:10 AM EST
Look at it this way though, horses didn't evolve into domestication, humans domesticated them, i'm positive somebody would learn real quick how to take care of a horse. Do you find this valuable?    
AgEnT_GrEEn
AgEnT_GrEEn
17. RE: undead equine
Nov 20 2008, 6:58 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 20 2008, 6:58 AM EST
If there wasn't the added hassle of Zeds, I'd agree with you, but since there would be, it's better to know a couple things prior, I'll now hop off my high-horse and give some hints that everyone should know when horse-back riding. These are as about as common as 'don't eat the MRE eggs or back talk the Drill Instructor,' so don't bitch that they're not horrse-rider secrets or some weird crap like that.

Keep with the rythmn of the Horse
Keep a straight back when riding on a saddled horse, leaned forward position when riding bareback
Don't run at the horse, slowly approach it so it can see you
Never go behind a horse unless you want collapsed ribs and a speedy death from getting hoof-stomped
Be kind to the horse, as unmanly as it sounds, if you're kind to teh horsey, it'll learn to trust you and'll be more obedient to you over time
Don't over-exert the horse, that's how it gets injured and over-fatigued, causing illness
Horses obviously like hay, but they also like to munch on other vegetation as well, like grasses, veggies and weeds
If I remember correctly horses sleep standing up [like me at the women's clothing store] so they don't get crushed by their own weight
I can't answer as for medical care, but cleaning off the wound and applying pressure to stop the bleeding might work for cuts and the like
Stallions [Male horses need to frak every now and then, or they get ornery as fuck, a mare [female horse] helps to relieve their 'stress,' just like male Humans. The end result is a foal, or young horse; gender specific: a Filly [female] or Colt [male]
I don't know much on birthing, but a safe, quiet and somewhat clean place is good for the birth of the foal as well as the mare
Foals will quickly learn to walk, but don't expect labor from them when they're young
Just some basics....
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GrampaAllen
GrampaAllen
18. RE: undead equine
Dec 11 2008, 7:58 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 11 2008, 7:58 PM EST
And get them used to the sound of gunfire near them before you try shooting from horse back the ground is harder than it looks 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Zombie_killer14
Zombie_killer14
19. RE: undead equine
Feb 15 2009, 4:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 4:04 PM EST
This is a really good resource for anyone who wants to know what they are gonna need for z-day. Thanks for putting it up. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Deacan
Deacan
20. RE: undead equine
Feb 15 2009, 4:28 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 4:28 PM EST
Horses sleep laying down. They can fall asleep standing, but it isn't the kind of rest that you are looking to get accomplished. Other than that, Agent has got it.

As far as conditioning your horses, the first thing is to place your stables near where you will be having target practice. That way, you are conditioning your horses, and getting the much needed practice you need. Then work on just banging pots togeather. while riding on the horses. Slowly graduate to shooting on horse back. There is no need to rush. Also you should condition them to have "things" reachout of for them. Horses tend to become spooked very easily when someone or something starts reaching for thier head and such. Last thing you want is a horse losing his marbles cause you didn't take a week or two extra to properly shape your horse into that was really going to be required.

Agent Green... "Stallions need to frak".... Love the BSG reference there. But your right. And if anyone here has had to deal with horses that aren't supposed to be "fraking" each other, then you know what must be done. That's right people. You have to give them a helping hand. Sounds gross. Sounds like a horrible job. Well, it is. But having a calm and collected horse is alot better than having a horny animal that is going to mount anything that has a heart beat. The things I have seen horses do would shock to, just to get off. Don't be a fool.... Take care of thier tool.
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NameWntMatterAftZday
NameWntMatterAftZday
21. RE: undead equine
Feb 25 2009, 9:22 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 9:22 PM EST
I live on a stable and in my experiance if a horse is on the move it will sustain itself simply by grazing and drinking from streams. If you know how to take care of the horse it shouldn't be too hard to take a horse a long way during an invasion. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if with a healthy horse in it's prime (little tip stay away from geldings) you could average about 60km a day.
As for zombie horses I doubt they would be much of a problem because if we know anything about the zombie virus it's that it encourages violence, cannibalism, irrationality and extremely tampers with coordination so with a thuroughbred with week leg bones it wouldn't get too far before it broke it's legs and became what is essentially an angry torso
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