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byates
byates
Bigger is better
Oct 19 2008, 5:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2008, 5:58 PM EDT
I would go with a medium truck with an open bed, side, head, and tail boards to keep you and your loot from falling out. Why? It is big enough to carry a good sized party and cargo and is big enough to push most things out of the way. Plus the tires are sturdier than those on smaller vehicles. By medium truck I mean something with a GVW of at least 5 tons, an Isuzu NRR for example, and smaller than 10 tons. 7  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
1. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 19 2008, 10:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 19 2008, 10:21 PM EDT
it depends on the application, i think a semi truck with a modified trailer on back, with a lauchable small vehicle would be good too. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
ternar
ternar
2. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 9:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 9:17 AM EDT
see dude this might work until it ran out of fuel, unless u plan on syphoning it from other surviors....which would result in u beig slaughtered. i would suggest getting in an isolated area, where u have an armory nearby and a handful of ppl, u dont want to many incase theres an outbreak. once uve found ur ideal "fortress" and its well provisioned for a few months, STAY THERE! scout if u must but never leave. as for transporting good and other human beings, well they can walk and everyone should only have enough "cargo" to last them a few weeks and that they can carry. so yes unfortounately a truck would be obsolete in a Z-day scenario. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
byates
byates
3. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 11:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 11:24 AM EDT
"see dude this might work until it ran out of fuel, unless u plan on syphoning it from other surviors....which would result in u beig slaughtered. i would suggest getting in an isolated area, where u have an armory nearby and a handful of ppl, u dont want to many incase theres an outbreak. once uve found ur ideal "fortress" and its well provisioned for a few months, STAY THERE! scout if u must but never leave. as for transporting good and other human beings, well they can walk and everyone should only have enough "cargo" to last them a few weeks and that they can carry. so yes unfortounately a truck would be obsolete in a Z-day scenario."
Should be plenty of sources of fuel that would work in a diesel engine without going after other survivors. Also, this thread is fighting from a vehicle, if you are stationary then you do not need to fight from a vehicle.
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
4. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 12:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 12:31 PM EDT
"ternar: see dude this might work until it ran out of fuel, unless u plan on syphoning it from other surviors...
byates: Should be plenty of sources of fuel that would work in a diesel engine without going after other survivors."
1. His name is BYATES, not “dude.” (Byates doesn’t HAVE to take offence for me to.)
2. Byates is NOT someone I would want to try and “slaughter.” Not a whole lot of people around here I can say that about, but he is one of them.
3. Take a portable generator, find and abandoned gas station, if the power’s out, secure power at the meter and plug the station into the genny. Now activate the pumps as normal.
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BigBDave
5. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 1:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 1:03 PM EDT
Or just find deserted vehicles and suck on a hose.
I agree with Andy. Hell I would only hope if or when Z Day happens I can hook up in a group with Andy and Byates, and a few others ZSDW Survivalist.
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crowleyj
crowleyj
6. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 1:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 1:38 PM EDT
better still fuel pump from the back of pickup's add extra hose to the draw end an drop down the storage tanks check stick hole.
As for siphoning from a rig. most have anti siphoning cage's not all just most. A truck at the love's up the road lost his passenger tank one night. they even drained the sludge from the bottom. $400.00 gone he an evryone there bought the cages then. so it would be better to go under the hood an dis connect the fuel line at the fuel filter an drain from there if you run into a siphon cage.
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Kaikelx
Kaikelx
7. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 8:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 8:17 PM EDT
"Or just find deserted vehicles and suck on a hose.
I agree with Andy. Hell I would only hope if or when Z Day happens I can hook up in a group with Andy and Byates, and a few others ZSDW Survivalist."
I just hope he decides not to go after me.....Or the national guard if I join....
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
8. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 9:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 9:02 PM EDT
"(I)t would be better to go under the hood an dis connect the fuel line at the fuel filter an drain from there if you run into a siphon cage."
Actually, that’s a pretty good idea in general, IF you can find the line. That’s a bit of an if, though…
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
9. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 9:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 9:27 PM EDT
Just poppin' in to say hello, and of course to drop my 'unbiased' opinion.

Yes, there are some problems with the 'mobile fighting' scenario. A few I can point out right now;
-It sounds like your going to be fighting in an urban enviroment, the problem here is your mobility is fucked. Your path will be blocked with throngs of ZEDS, corpses, road blocks, cars, and goodness knows what else. Although, Id much rather be ontop of a vehicle than on foot in this same scenario..
-Moving and shooting is horrible... driving 20-40 mph through the streets and trying to get head shots off is not going to go well. I would use stop and go tactics to conserve ammo as well as other things.
-If you get surrounded... your screwed.. A vehicle weighted down with people, guns, ammo, and god knows what else is going to have trouble running down 40 skin jobs at once.

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE:
-Increased mobility (most of the time)
-Protection from most ZEDs
-Ability to carry much more ammo and supplies.

It beats the hell out of fighting on foot (for the most part). As for the bigger is better scenario, different sizes and quantity play their own rolls and have their ups and downs. For inexperienced shooters.. keep them stationary or they will most likely shoot each other, for you hardcore marines that can actually fire acuratly from a moving vehicle... good for you :D

Buh-Bye,
Original-Sin
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
10. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 20 2008, 11:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 20 2008, 11:53 PM EDT
"-It sounds like your going to be fighting in an urban enviroment, the problem here is your mobility is fucked. Your path will be blocked with throngs of ZEDS, corpses, road blocks, cars, and goodness knows what else. Although, Id much rather be ontop of a vehicle than on foot in this same scenario..
-If you get surrounded... your screwed.. A vehicle weighted down with people, guns, ammo, and god knows what else is going to have trouble running down 40 skin jobs at once."
During the 1968 Democratic National Convention is Chicago, Il, a massive riot broke out, Police and yippies both accused each other of starting it, but Mayor DALEY ended it when he ordered some truck, fitted with essentially temporary fencing (like you see at construction sites) and covered in barbed wire to move out and break up the crowd. Nobody was killed as a result (even the traitors, uh, I mean yippes, don’t claim that), but the trucks DID happen (the police never even tried to say that something seen live on national television wasn’t happening).
Just a thought…
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
11. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 21 2008, 12:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2008, 12:04 AM EDT
"During the 1968 Democratic National Convention is Chicago, Il, a massive riot broke out, Police and yippies both accused each other of starting it, but Mayor DALEY ended it when he ordered some truck, fitted with essentially temporary fencing (like you see at construction sites) and covered in barbed wire to move out and break up the crowd. Nobody was killed as a result (even the traitors, uh, I mean yippes, don’t claim that), but the trucks DID happen (the police never even tried to say that something seen live on national television wasn’t happening).
Just a thought…"
True.. but if I see a truck covered in barbed wire plowing through the crowd I'm im.. I;m moving the fuck out of the way!
I don't know if we could say the same for ZEDs.
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Hell_Razor
12. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 21 2008, 12:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2008, 12:16 AM EDT
That'll work for human mobs. There is a deeply ingrained reflex called "get the hell out of the way of the moving barbed wire truck" that'll send most people running.

As for a Zed Head mob? Not so sure. Chances are that reflex isn't going to exist. You might risk getting bogged down by so many bodies, your truck will be dead in the water.

Of course, if you had a PLS (Palletized Load System), you might have a different story. 500 hp of sheer mob destruction and the only problem you might have is washing off the blood and brains on all ten wheels. The driver sits above the crowd for safety and easy visibility. If you have a gunner's hatch, you got a quick escape route. Only problem is that this baby gets about one mile to the gallon.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/pls.htm
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Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
13. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 21 2008, 12:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2008, 12:52 AM EDT
"Original-Sin: I don't know if we could say the same for ZEDs.
Hell_Razor: As for a Zed Head mob? Not so sure. Chances are that reflex isn't going to exist. You might risk getting bogged down by so many bodies, your truck will be dead in the water. "
The skin jobs will have 2 options:
1. Get out of the way.
2. Get crushed, slashed to ribbons, thrown 200+ feet, or otherwise killed in VERY painful ways.
H/R does bring up a good point, though, that many bodies might well pile up and slow you down… That’s when you back up swinging left to right constantly like a dog shaking off a bad hat, then come smashing right back at them. With a HUGE engine… Like a tank…
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
14. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 21 2008, 1:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2008, 1:05 AM EDT
Get poked severly*
Razor wire would be the slashing.
And the problem isn't with running them over, were talking about a thick mob of them, alot of vehicles will have trouble with that to say the least, if you in the semi then you should have nothing to worry about but a VW Bug isnt going anywhere.
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northstateCullen
15. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 22 2008, 5:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 22 2008, 5:53 AM EDT
i don't see how a pistol or hunting rifle would be useful in any waywhile firing from a moving vehicle. pistols range is to shoddy for that and and most hunting rifles are bolt action, waaaaay to slow of a firing rate. shotguns with goose barrels you would need shorter barrels inside the cab of course(18.5 inch barrels are street legal and can be found in any sportsman store) 00 buck loads and slugs, pumps or autoloaders whatever ya got both work well less chance of a jam with a pump , semi automatic or automatic rifles are probably your best bet, however the state you live in will definately affect what small arms you can find californians best bet would m1 garandes, m1a1 carbines, ruger 10.22's, m14s(chinese copy of m14 but only semi auto thus cali legal), any ar-15 or m-16 variant you find in a civilian center will require a tool to remove the magazine thus rendering the weapon useless due to lengthy reload procedure. oregonians montanans etc got it made ak's in every corner gun store. Do you find this valuable?    
Andering_J_REDDSON
Andering_J_REDDSON
16. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 22 2008, 12:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 22 2008, 12:52 PM EDT
"Original-Sin: Get poked severly* Razor wire would be the slashing. And the problem isn't with running them over, were talking about a thick mob of them, alot of vehicles will have trouble with that to say the least, if you in the semi then you should have nothing to worry about but a VW Bug isnt going anywhere.
northstateCullen: i don't see how a pistol or hunting rifle would be useful in any waywhile firing from a moving vehicle.
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Original-Sin: At the speeds we’re talking about here, these wires, with or without barbs, turn into whipsaws. But no, you’re not getting ANYWHERE with a VW Bus- Skin jobs or no. (Well, not far, anyways.)

northstateCullen: ¿Uh, WTF? ¿How much experience do you have with guns?
Ok, fine, pistols DON’T have the greatest accuracy in the world, nor the range or power-to-target of a long arm. But in general, they WILL be more than sufficient to get you out of Dodge. As to hunting rifles, there are as many semi-auto as everything else combined, as well as lever action and pump action. There’s really no legitimate reason to ignore the hunting weaps rack, even the bolt-actions: If in WAR they can make their point well known to the enemy, then the skin jobs aren’t gonna miss THAT memo. (Sure, bolt-action shouldn’t be your first choice, but not ignored outright just because they’re bolt-action.)
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
17. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 22 2008, 12:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 22 2008, 12:57 PM EDT
I have to agree with andy, during ww2 the british had something they called "the mad minute" look it up on google and you'll see how slow a bolt action is.

after watching smash lab and seeing that semi go over that wheel chock, i'm sold on using one for a defense vehicle.
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Original-Sin
Original-Sin
18. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 22 2008, 2:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 22 2008, 2:34 PM EDT
A semi is durable, yes, but every single skin job you run over and every car you smash into is going to damage it. If your going to get a semi, do two things.
1) Learn to drive a Semi, they handle differently.
2) Reinforce the hell out of it to make it neigh impregnable.
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Acolyte14
Acolyte14
19. RE: Bigger is better
Oct 22 2008, 8:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 22 2008, 8:32 PM EDT
The problem with Rigs is that they are so big. How many abandoned cars are there going to de sitting on all the main roads that you would be driving. You'd have to fashion a gigantic and very durable plow, to clear your way. (that is if you are traveling) Also, with a semi you're going to need Diesel. You can't just siphon that from any car parked on the side of the road. Hope you don't need to get anywhere quick or turn to sharp/fast, they aren't very manueverable. What are you going to do with your "gunship" ,that took forever to build to perfection, when it's laying on its side in a ditch?

I have mixed feelings about using a semi for anything.
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