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DoctorPierce |
Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 10:01 AM EST
I do not think that an automatic weapon is the best for a zombie attack. Although it has a high rate of fire and a large clip, it is big, bulky, and the temptation to just spray when you are being attacked is tempting. A bolt action rifle forces you to take aim and develop a rhythm, which can take down many zombies. That is just my personal opinion. What about you?
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
1. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 11:39 AM EST
"I do not think that an automatic weapon is the best for a zombie attack. Although it has a high rate of fire and a large clip, it is big, bulky, and the temptation to just spray when you are being attacked is tempting. A bolt action rifle forces you to take aim and develop a rhythm, which can take down many zombies. That is just my personal opinion. What about you? "Bolt Action weaps force you to take your hand away from the trigger to reload. Far too slow. Same for lever action, and I don’t give a flying fuck what Max BROOKES says. Semi-autos can maintain a high rate of fire, while not wasting ammo. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DaveBall |
2. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 11:49 AM EST
You best bet is a semi auto rifle, or shot gun (semi auto or pump).Automatic weapons: using thin in full auto will wast you ammo.. Most modern weapons have a selector switch to fire semi or full auto or burst. If there is no selector switch use a 3 to 4 round burst. But when panicked if you don't have experience you will empty your mag. and if there close you won't have time to reload. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Sightless-Reaper |
3. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 1:53 PM EST
Usually I would suggest carrying a semi-auto rifle, a glock or larger, and then a back-up hand-to-hand weapon in case things get hairy
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Skyye |
4. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 3:29 PM EST
For the most part I would have to agree with Sightless-Reaper and DaveBall. However if I got the chance to choose my weapons I would pick a semi-auto rifle / or auto-rifle (with a selector switch in place), a pump shotgun, and a machette as my hand-to-hand weapon
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DoctorPierce |
5. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 7:08 PM EST
I see your point. I forgot to mention the situation when it comes to weapons. That is one of the most important setting when choosing a weapon. A calm, cool environment, a rooftop for example, a nice supply of ammo, a bolt action can be pretty good. A Remington Model 700 bolt action sniper rifle is good for, well, sniping. It has a high caliber round and can pierce the skull pretty well. But, say you have to get to point a to point b. A semi automatic rifle or sub machine gun can be useful for such a situation. A submachine gun may not have the stopping power, but it can slow down whatever's coming your way. In all intensive purposes, there is no real best weapon. Every weapon has some sort of strength and weakness it has to offer when put on the table. For instance, a .22 pistol seems like a horrible choice, due to it's low power and range, but close range, it is perfect. It has just enough power to enter, but not enough to leave, ricocheting around within the skull cavity, shredding the brain. A perfect weapon used by assassins and a useful sidearm to consider. But, it all depends on, as stated before, your situation.
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DoctorPierce |
6. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 7:09 PM EST
I did, as Andering pointed out, read the book by Max Brookes. I have to say, it was a waste of money.... Didn't learn anything I already didn't know. I have to say it was a pretty crappy book. "Don't eat a zombie or fuck one." That's what one passage translated into for me....
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brandon_a_boyer |
7. RE: Weapons
Nov 30 2008, 7:34 PM EST
" A Remington Model 700 bolt action sniper rifle is good for, well, sniping. It has a high caliber round and can pierce the skull pretty well.First of all, the Remington 700 comes in a ton of calibers, they all have their uses and abilities. 2nd of all, there is no evidence of this "ricocheting or shredding of the brain". It is far from a perfect weapon, and while its used by Hit men and assassins, its more because its a really easy gun to silence and conceal. penetration and transfer of energy are your primary concerns, a narrow bullet may go really fast, but it has little weight and has less energy to transfer. Also a big consideration is what the bullet does once it hits, does it go in and out? does it shatter the bones it hits? does it send a wave of shock through the target's tissue? Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
8. RE: Weapons
Dec 3 2008, 8:22 PM EST
The fact that the .22, is using lead rounds, pretty much becomes impossible to trace. The reason it works on humans is simply because humans are fragile. WIth a complex support system and a need for much more functioning grey matter then any zed, any type of hit can kill someone easily, not necessarily quickly, but without treatment, they're f***edDoctorPierce, I find it somewhat ironic you essentially quoted brooks, then in the post after, said it was rubbish. I've mentioned this several times: ricocheting? With what ammo, range, angle, skull thickness? The 22 is so small that any of those factors can make the .22 about as useful as that damn book.......now that I think about it, even less, you can't wipe your ass with a .22 On the topic of SMG: A sub gun has stopping power, sometimes a 9mm or a .45 can have more punch then a .223 or other light rifle caliber. A .223 goes at a high velocity, yes, but its pretty damn obvious that a .45, or even a 9mm, will punch a larger hole, even with just ball ammo. With larger calibers, like the .30 range, they pack enough weight to make up for the smaller diameter with sheer kinetic energy. My point is though, an SMG is not lacking in stopping power. The reason they're often considered ineffective is their lack of penetration, making then useless against body armor, and short range. In an era where body armor is so common, and the minimum will casually stop pistol/SMG rounds, sub guns may be next to useless. If pistol ammo is common, and you don't plan to engage at long ranges, there isn't anything wrong with a sub gun or pistol cal carbine. Full auto isn't the best for shamblers, but you may need it for ragers, and there is nothing wrong with having it. You shouldn't automatically go bolt just for the fact that FA wastes ammo. A good semi auto weapon will serve well enough. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
9. RE: Weapons
Dec 3 2008, 8:23 PM EST
Sorry, I meant to say that the reason that .22s are often used for assasinations....
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Salam9nder |
10. RE: Weapons
Dec 3 2008, 9:02 PM EST
" A bolt action rifle forces you to take aim and develop a rhythm"That's some of the reasoning the Germans and Japanese were using when outfitting their regular infantry with bolt action rifles in WWII. They thought a semi-auto rifle would cause their soldiers to be wasteful with ammunition. Americans had a huge advantage with the M-1 Garand. All other things being equal (training, discipline), the Americans could put down a far more punishing rate of fire. Do you find this valuable? |
zombienuke |
11. RE: Weapons
Dec 3 2008, 10:38 PM EST
"Bolt Action weaps force you to take your hand away from the trigger to reload. Far too slow. Same for lever action, and I don’t give a flying fuck what Max BROOKES says.But Max Brookes says.... Jk but full auto can get you of a tense situation where full auto can save your life if you are able to control it. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
12. RE: Weapons
Dec 3 2008, 11:04 PM EST
"But Max Brookes says.... Jk but full auto can get you of a tense situation where full auto can save your life if you are able to control it."Which is why military and police are taught to use semi, but still have weapons with the option of burst and auto Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
13. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 12:12 AM EST
"That's some of the reasoning the Germans and Japanese were using when outfitting their regular infantry with bolt action rifles in WWII. They thought a semi-auto rifle would cause their soldiers to be wasteful with ammunition. Americans had a huge advantage with the M-1 Garand. All other things being equal (training, discipline), the Americans could put down a far more punishing rate of fire."which is a valid point. Union generals during the American Civil War said the same thing about the Henry lever actions, so Mr Henry took Mr Lincoln for a walk through the woods shooting at targets, and fortunately Mr Lincoln's opinions weren't as outdated as some of his generals. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Andering_J_REDDSON |
14. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 5:11 AM EST
"(In refrence to the superiority of the .22 cal): I've mentioned this several times: ricocheting?"I’ve mentioned several times: James BRADY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brady#Shooting Do you find this valuable? |
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DoctorPierce |
15. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 6:33 AM EST
All I can say when it comes to me and guns is:"Insert foot in mouth." I'm not going to claim I'm a gun expert or anything like that. I said what I think was good in my opinion and some facts. As Andering pointed out, James Brady took a .22 round to the head and gave him brain damage and put him in a wheel chair. The rounds were also supposed to, if I'm reading this right, explode? Jumping jingling jesus christ.... I mentioned a .22 mostly because it is an easy access weapon. I want you all to think for a moment. How many of you can actually get your hands on some of these weapons at a moments notice? Do you hope this will be like some sort of video game and think that you'll find them lying on the ground or in an abandoned house? Seriously. When it comes to guns, we should be more thinking about the guns that are easy to get your hands on at first and then worry about the better ones. A .22 pistol seems like a pretty good sidearm. Good to use at a moments notice, good if a zombie is in your face, and pretty good since the skull becomes somewhat weaker after death. Once the calcium and collagen stops renewing itself, the bone gets brittle over time. A .22 would be useful against zombies, due to the fact of a weaker skull. Now, as I said, I put my foot in my mouth when I talk about guns. Need some science or ballistic science, ask away. That I know about. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
16. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 9:39 AM EST
you are forgetting the fact that most of us have guns to begin with. Also we don't know if the zombie's physical structure will weaken over time or not, it could potentially get stronger, its something we can't suggest or predict.
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IrishHitman |
17. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 2:22 PM EST
"Bolt Action weaps force you to take your hand away from the trigger to reload. Far too slow. Same for lever action, and I don’t give a flying fuck what Max BROOKES says.I have to agree.... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
SkipNChurch |
18. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 3:27 PM EST
Few here want to play "Shambler Tag" with me and my bolt guns.Events, training, personal aptitude, makes a Rifleman as much as the object he or she is firing. Gonna be a Major Frakkin' FAIL moment when one ditches the gun that works for one that some *expert* told him "was better than..". Take as much time now, pre-Zed to become familiar with anything and everything you might get your busy, scared, running for Life paws on when things happen fast. Don't have your magic self loading Boomstick O'Undead d00m? Clueless on how to use charge handle on found M-60, can feed belts, clear jams? Not too sure how to load tube magazine on that sweet little Marlin bolt gun? :FAIL: You and I need as potential Survivors to cross train on any and every little thing, firearms included, we can get. I don't give a purple plated damn what other's opinions of Max Brooks' fictional works are, he is one major reason this site is here, but I do know there are many men and women whose Real.Life experiences can and will help those "out there". This Wiki has some fine contributors when they post.. Continual yammering about "my X is bettaH thaN yr Y" amuses me to point of distraction. Remember this: "Run What You Brung". make every shot if needed count. Avoid close quarters and contact, most of we are not trained to fight "tight 'n fast". Distance is your friend, this dealing with Unkle Zed or unknown humans. Most of all, remember practice NOW, while you can, in all things related to your eventual "Better Living Making It Through DayZed and Afterwards". PPPPPP.... SnC 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
SlimyJack |
19. RE: Weapons
Dec 4 2008, 11:31 PM EST
You must be prepared with an array of weapons depending on the range. It is always best to stop them at 200 yards or more, I recommend a 300 win mag or a 7mm. 30-378 Weatherby is best but ammo may be difficult to find. Closer than 200 yards I will use a large caliber like a 458 Lott or a 500 S&W mag. Up close a 10 or 12 gauge w/ 00buck, an AR 15 or AK and a good hi cap Glock is best. Hand to hand - a machete
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