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Survivor_Gill |
.410/.45 Handgun
Dec 13 2008, 7:35 PM EST
There glorious cannons are effectively outlawed in Canada as far as I can tell. The Bond Arms Ranger and other .410/.45 derringers are too small and considered Prohibited.Naturally I assume the Taurus Judge is legal in Canada since it's not specifically listed in the banning legislation. To my dismay I learned that the short barrel of the Taurus (4") is also too small and considered prohibited. It may be a big gun when you include the 2.5" chamber, but that's not taken into consideration in the gun control laws. Anybody come across a Restricted .410/.45 bore handgun? Do you find this valuable?
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brandon_a_boyer |
1. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Dec 13 2008, 9:27 PM EST
look up the magnum research BFR
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SkipNChurch |
2. Guns seems to be a....
Dec 13 2008, 9:40 PM EST
...answer to a question that no one bothered to ask.SnC *Diogneez fer questuns noe askerlerkated* Do you find this valuable? |
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Survivor_Gill |
3. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Dec 13 2008, 11:16 PM EST
"look up the magnum research BFR"I have no idea that Magnum produced a .45/.410 Thanks! Do you find this valuable? |
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DeathHead02 |
4. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 6:18 PM EST
"There glorious cannons are effectively outlawed in Canada as far as I can tell. The Bond Arms Ranger and other .410/.45 derringers are too small and considered Prohibited.Not quite outlawed, weapons labeled as prohibited (pistol gripped stubby shotguns, carbines, pistols/revolvers, all because of their short lengths) require a Prohibited firearms license which you can no longer attain. But people who already had Prohibited firearms licenses before the ban may still possess such weapons. So if you raid the house of an elderly hunter you may find some high quality compact fireamrs, if they are particularily fond of guns, a few guys might have some automatics or other illegal weapons like SKS'/AKs and SMGs. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Survivor_Gill |
5. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 6:44 PM EST
Yes... precisely why I said "effectively". I'm already a gun owner, I'm familiar with the laws. Do you find this valuable? |
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DeathHead02 |
6. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 7:22 PM EST
Touche, with the conservatives in it might change too.
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Survivor_Gill |
7. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 8:12 PM EST
I'm not too concerned honestly. I'm fairly happen with our gun laws. Could be worse. We could be the UK.
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mkxlng63 |
8. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 10:33 PM EST
I don't like the gun. Only a 5 shot revolver. I've never shot one but I imagine the kick from the 410 would lead to slow follow up shots. And if it's only good with using the 45, you might as well have a 6 shot revolver.
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DeathHead02 |
9. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 18 2009, 11:25 PM EST
I personally think such high calibers are unneccesary anyways, I mean 9mm should destroy brain tissue just fine and is ofcourse usually used in magazine fed pistols. But if you really need to make sure the first shot is a killing shot, you can do a simple bullet converstion that is both incredibly effective and incredibly illegal in both the US and Canada. Cut an X into the tip of your projectile and youve got a round the unfolds on impact causing huge trauma. I mean there is a reason you can get jail time for have just one bullet like this, the damage is immense. So a simple 9mm or most other rounds can be easily converted to this form and will probobly rip out half of the brain, making such high calibers unneccesary. The only real problem is depending on the quality of your firearm, it may lock up if you attempt to use ammunition like that.
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byates |
10. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 10:47 AM EST
"But if you really need to make sure the first shot is a killing shot, you can do a simple bullet converstion that is both incredibly effective and incredibly illegal in both the US and Canada. Cut an X into the tip of your projectile and youve got a round the unfolds on impact causing huge trauma. I mean there is a reason you can get jail time for have just one bullet like this, the damage is immense. "I think that this is an urban myth. I do not believe that the expansion would be better than a bullet manufactured to expand, nor do I believe that it is illegal. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kavoc |
11. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 11:22 AM EST
"I think that this is an urban myth. I do not believe that the expansion would be better than a bullet manufactured to expand, nor do I believe that it is illegal.Unfortunately it is not a myth. I once thought about posting this piece of timbit on the forums but I decided it was best not to spread this out since I would not be sure how people might use it. Your taught this in the Canadian Forces specifically so you know not to do it. It is extremely illegal, in the military it is a warcrime and can land you 10 years in prison, under the premise that you are modifying your equipment to increase human suffering. All military small arms ammunition (under international law) cannot be designed or modified to fragment once it enters the body. It also means hollow points are illegal to use in warfare. I just looked up the convention in case your interested in checking it out: The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
12. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 4:12 PM EST
Fortunately that only applies to members of the armed forces of nations that honor that convention. And, it still allows the use of "banned" projectiles against those that do not honor it.Do you find this valuable? |
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DeathHead02 |
13. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 4:35 PM EST
"Unfortunately it is not a myth. I once thought about posting this piece of timbit on the forums but I decided it was best not to spread this out since I would not be sure how people might use it. Your taught this in the Canadian Forces specifically so you know not to do it.My bad. It is indeed illegal for civilians too though, I watched a documentary of some kind and it mentioned that possession of even one bullet modified like that can catch you jail time. So I figured that would be warning enough. Do you find this valuable? |
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Kavoc |
14. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 5:09 PM EST
"Fortunately that only applies to members of the armed forces of nations that honor that convention. And, it still allows the use of "banned" projectiles against those that do not honor it.Fair enough but the law is so strictly enforced that no recognized nation would dare use illegal ammunitions. Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
15. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 9:15 PM EST
"Fair enough but the law is so strictly enforced that no recognized nation would dare use illegal ammunitions."Like snipers using hollow point ammo in the Middle East? Do you find this valuable? |
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Kavoc |
16. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 9:37 PM EST
You mean insurgents or americans? If they're american troops then their brass can get into a lot of trouble
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byates |
17. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 19 2009, 11:37 PM EST
"You mean insurgents or americans? If they're american troops then their brass can get into a lot of trouble"It has been approved all the way up the chain of command. JAG has approved the use of hollow point bullets, since they are designed to hit the target at longer ranges not cause more tissue damage. Do you find this valuable? |
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CyprusBill |
18. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 20 2009, 3:00 AM EST
So, hollow point ammo is legal, but modifying a (I'm assuming) jacketed soft point is not legal?Weird. Not arguing with you. Just...weird. Oh well, stranger laws exist. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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byates |
19. RE: .410/.45 Handgun
Jan 20 2009, 12:02 PM EST
You expect laws to make sense?
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