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misfitzseat3
misfitzseat3
Airship/Zeppelin
Jan 11 2009, 3:03 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 11 2009, 3:03 AM EST
You can actually buy your own Semi-Rigid Airship here: http://www.ahausa.com/ . The most useful one, the Light Utility Model can carry 8 people/ 2380 lbs. Unfortunately, it does cost over $900,000. But in a post apocalyptic world money won't be relevant now will it? Do you find this valuable?    
Buddah_13
Buddah_13
1. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Jan 14 2009, 12:33 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 14 2009, 12:33 PM EST
id make my own 0  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
NameWntMatterAftZday
NameWntMatterAftZday
2. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 9 2009, 10:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 10:08 PM EDT
OH GOOD IDEA!! well your at it why don't you make your own 12-gauge? and your own car? and how about your own helicopter so you can just fly away when they invade all the rest of us while you sail above our heads laughing from your homemade blimp? 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
inu-dude25
inu-dude25
3. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 9 2009, 11:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 11:08 PM EDT
"OH GOOD IDEA!! well your at it why don't you make your own 12-gauge? and your own car? and how about your own helicopter so you can just fly away when they invade all the rest of us while you sail above our heads laughing from your homemade blimp?"
Amen.
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SuperSoldierRCP
SuperSoldierRCP
4. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 9 2009, 11:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 11:17 PM EDT
do i hear the hidenburgh in the name 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Noobzy
Noobzy
5. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 9 2009, 11:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 11:25 PM EDT
"id make my own"
does anyone know what happened to the lead zeppelin in germany?
leave the building to pros unless you are a pro.
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Maudib1990
6. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 2:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 2:38 AM EDT
"does anyone know what happened to the lead zeppelin in germany?
leave the building to pros unless you are a pro."
I don't thing our friend here has enough thermite to paint the envelope in it.
But yes it would be difficult to put it mildly, However it is possible, they are a rather simple machine. Certainly not you alone but a team could build one with access to the materials BEFORE the zombie apocalypse.
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kevin990
kevin990
7. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 4:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 4:51 AM EDT
"OH GOOD IDEA!! well your at it why don't you make your own 12-gauge? and your own car? and how about your own helicopter so you can just fly away when they invade all the rest of us while you sail above our heads laughing from your homemade blimp?"
Don't doubt other people's abilities without knowing the full potential of that person.

Everything you stated above is completely possible to build by yourself.

I'm an Engineer with a company based in Australia and i have seen some amazing things built by myself and my co-workers using second hand materials and a backyard garage; including a car.



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Maudib1990
8. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 10:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 10:38 AM EDT
Your absolutely right kevin990.

What would it take to keep the thing up for long periods of time anyway?
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
9. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 10:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 10:52 AM EDT
"Unfortunately, it does cost over $900,000. But in a post apocalyptic world money won't be relevant now will it? "
No, I suppose it won't. However if you plan to acquire one before the end of the world, it is still VERY relevant. But you can try your zombie apocalypse argument with the salesman, and see how that goes.
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NameWntMatterAftZday
NameWntMatterAftZday
10. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 6:40 PM EDT
"Don't doubt other people's abilities without knowing the full potential of that person.

Everything you stated above is completely possible to build by yourself.

I'm an Engineer with a company based in Australia and i have seen some amazing things built by myself and my co-workers using second hand materials and a backyard garage; including a car.



"
alright I apologize but I still seriously doubt that you could or would build a functioning helicopter on your own in your garage. But my point is still valid that it's entirely unreasonable to just up and build your own blimp during a zombie apocolypes. (Maybe if you just happen to be an Engineer with access to all the parts you need to build one)
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NameWntMatterAftZday
NameWntMatterAftZday
11. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 6:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 6:47 PM EDT
also the problems with buying 3million$ worth of equipment include (but are not limited to)

a)people would find you weird that your spending your life savings to prepare for the inevitable zombie invasion
b)you would be alienated by your friends
c)it's unrealistic because we don't know when it will happen or even if it will happen in our lifetimes (being prepared means that you know what to do and have what you have in case of an invasion but you don't need to expect it)
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
12. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 10 2009, 7:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 10 2009, 7:53 PM EDT
I'd also like to point out that while zeppelins have a superior safety record in comparison to planes, there are several issues to keep in mind.

1. They must be stored in a hanger

2. Takeoffs often require the assistance of more people than the craft can carry.

3. they require fillups of lighter than air gases, which will be difficult to obtain post zday

4. they are notoriously difficult to pilot.
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Floco
Floco
13. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 11 2009, 1:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 1:37 PM EDT
I agree. Not only would it take a tremendous amount of helium or hydrogen to get your project off the ground, but the slightest wind could send you flying into a building or a mountain. Plus, lets not forget that a good number of people will probably become hysterical and delusional and start shooting anything that looks unusual, including your airship. It would only take one bullet. Do you find this valuable?    
inu-dude25
inu-dude25
14. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 11 2009, 4:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 4:34 PM EDT
"I agree. Not only would it take a tremendous amount of helium or hydrogen to get your project off the ground, but the slightest wind could send you flying into a building or a mountain. Plus, lets not forget that a good number of people will probably become hysterical and delusional and start shooting anything that looks unusual, including your airship. It would only take one bullet."
That is very true. The skin on a zepplin isn't very thick at all to keep weight down. A stray bullet could easily decommision your blimp and you'd have to find and patch a hole the size of a quarter in all of that material. The upside is that it would probably take a while to run out of helium (don't even think about using hydrogen, remember the Hindenburg?), giving you time to land safely after getting away.
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Floco
Floco
15. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 11 2009, 4:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 4:44 PM EDT
"(don't even think about using hydrogen, remember the Hindenburg?)
"
The hindenburg was coated in flammable paint. Don't go knockin' hydrogen, it's less dense than helium and would thus take a smaller amount to get your ship afloat.

All in all, I don't think a zeppelin is a practical idea. Better to have a quicker, longer term plan that involves an easy to excecute escape plan.
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inu-dude25
inu-dude25
16. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 11 2009, 4:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 4:58 PM EDT
Uh, I hate to break it to you but hydrogen was the main fuel for the Hindenburg explosion. The paint caught fire from a lightning strike and that caused the hydrogen to go off. So as for knocking hydrogen, I'm afraid I'm right as hydrogen is extremely flammable and in enclosed areas is explosive. That's why you never open a charging or discharging battery, not because of the acid but because of the hydrogen gas given off. Do you find this valuable?    
brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
17. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 11 2009, 5:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2009, 5:14 PM EDT
The lighting strike theory is just that, a theory. the truth is they still don't exactly know what the cause was, but either way the hydrogen didn't help.

originally the Hindenburg was going to be built using helium, however the Americans would not supply Germany with helium to use.

interestingly enough a stray bullet wouldn't run your day. zeppelins have two safeguards against that.

firstly the gas is stored in a series of envelopes, not one big balloon, so if one gets pierced you don't compromise the whole system.

secondly, zeppelins are not pressurized beyond atmospheric pressure, so you wouldn't get a huge sudden burst of gas escaping, it'd be more like a slow leak.

so as surprising as it is, they are remarkably resilient to damage. also once they leave the ground they are amazingly sturdy machines, with the ability to weather storms that would destroy conventional aircraft simply because of the inertia their larger mass provides.
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Maudib1990
18. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 13 2009, 3:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 3:09 PM EDT
Not only is the design resistant to damage but modern blimps and semi-rigids use PET film which prevents punctures from forming major leaks and has a higher gas retention rate than other materials. Do you find this valuable?    
inu-dude25
inu-dude25
19. RE: Airship/Zeppelin
Mar 13 2009, 4:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 4:02 PM EDT
If you can a hold of that material and know how to build a blimp, then go for it. Otherwise, you have to hope you find one somewhere. Do you find this valuable?    
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