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Deadwards |
Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 11 2009, 11:55 PM EST
Personally, I'd hop in my truck and haul ass to some place like a Gander Mt. given the massive selection of guns and ammo. Or once you have supplies, go to like a Home Depot, and use the lumber yard to barricade yourself in.
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NorCalSurvivors |
1. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 1:37 PM EST
Well, there are few problems with that scenario:For starters, nobody is going to just cheerfully LET you take over and start barricading the place during the initial phases of outbreak - when YOU realize what is happening, but the population at large does not. You'll wind up in jail at precisely the time that it's a BAD time to be in jail ... especially if you end up in a holding cell with other prisoners, some of whom may very well be infected. There will be a time when the outbreak becomes more obvious (or at least civil unrest gets to the point) that the 20 or 30 people who comprise the management and staff of said locations will quite handily clean the building out of whatever they want. Some may choose to stay, fortify the building and defend against all comers. Consider that you are one of they people they are defending AGAINST at this point, unless you just happen to be at the right place at the right time. You best bet is to have a defensible location identified well OUTSIDE of heavily populated areas. Have your weapons, ammunition and basic supplies purchased well ahead of time. When YOU have identified the outbreak is occuring (which should be well ahead of the general population), that's when you clean out your back account, max out the credit cards, buy any last minute things you can ... especially building materials for fortifying your "keep" ... get as much additional ammo as you can in the last few hours before all shit breaks loose. Then high-tail it out of there ASAP and prepare for the coming storm. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 1:46 PM EST
I would choose a place like Sam's club. Few entrances to barracade up, and enough food to last for months. In my area, It's right by the mall where there is Gander Mountain for weapon's supplies and Dick's. But I'd prioritize food and shelter right before weapons.
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3. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 3:52 PM EST
You didn't read NorCalSurvivors post?
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4. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:04 PM EST
I read it, I just don't necessarily agree with it. There's more to be taken into account than what he said.
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5. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:07 PM EST
What you need is a proper old style castle. One from the middle ages with a well, 12ft thick walls, one entrance/exit protected by a massive oak door and cast iron grill. They were designed to stop armies getting in so all the staircases etc are only wide enough for 1 person and have stabbing holes for the defenders... We've loads of them here in the UK! They'd be a proper pain in the ass for a modern infantry unit to take let alone zombies/looters. (Try googling Stirling Castle) 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:09 PM EST
The problem is there aren't too many of those around.
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7. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:19 PM EST
Depends where you are - in the UK and Europe they're all over the place, especially in border areas between Wales, England and Scotland. Obviously in somewhere like the US they're thinner on the ground.
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8. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:41 PM EST
A the top few floors of a nice block of flats with roof access. the only way up is normally one set of stairs and occasionally an elevator. The elevator is easy to stop even when the power is on. When the elevator is on the top floor just block the sensor that stops the doors closing on people so it constantly thinks some is there and bam the door wont close and therefore wont be able to be called/sent down without your "permission". In many blocks of flats they have doors on the stairs to each floor its fairly simple to barricade the door to the floor/floors your on. if your team are on more than one floor block off all the doors and use the outside fire escapes to move up and down the building. Post lookouts on the roof with flares. Also on the roof you could essentially make a "farm" if you can get hold of pots soil and seeds, maybe take a few chickens from a farm if there is one nearby when you go on a scavenging trip and you can have eggs and the occasional chicken to eat. As for power try and get your hands on solar panels or maybe a fewe generators and as much fuel as you can get your hands on. and the best part is that most flats will have food in and will be ready furnished so you wont have to worry about places to sleep. you can even use some of the furniture to further barricade the doors. and for a little bit of extra security set up a few trips and traps to slow zed's down. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:47 PM EST
your idea would work if you had some warning first. but what if you notice the zombie outbreak while the infected are already in large numbers? barricading would take time.
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NorCalSurvivors |
10. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 4:53 PM EST
"I read it, I just don't necessarily agree with it. There's more to be taken into account than what he said."Hmmm ... it would be useful to have you pick apart what you thought inaccurate or not so well thought out in my post. That way, perhaps I could learn something or address your concerns. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 5:17 PM EST
"your idea would work if you had some warning first. but what if you notice the zombie outbreak while the infected are already in large numbers? barricading would take time."I can see where your coming from but even so a basic yet substancial baricade can be established in a matter of minutes using a few bits of heavy furniture. The construction of a stronger barricade can then start. Starting at the top of the door construct the barricade then move the furniture from the bottom of the door and barricade that part then strengthen the entire door. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Deadwards |
12. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 6:37 PM EST
NorCalSurvivors makes a very good point. I wonder if it would be a good idea to make my way out to national forest or something, maybe that would help thin noise made by gunfire, and maybe even thin the attacking wave of zombies.
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Deadwards |
13. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 6:43 PM EST
Some useful info: (I attend a law enforcement class for vo-ed)- Cops DO NOT take neutralizing or warning shots, they aim for the torso. - Cops are people, you can reason with them, although chanting "The zombies are coming, the zombies are coming" isn't a great idea. - Cops aren't all powerful, you can win a fight with one. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 7:26 PM EST
I would take a 4 story house mad of steel and concrete with a bunch of windows that can be covered with a steel plate with a 50cal. at each window and have 10g. shotguns on every guys back all with 200 shells and have a big basment with abunch of guys also and a radio station for renforcments and 20 tanks outside surrounding the building and one of the tanks is taken by the zombies it will automatically drive away from the stronghold and detonate and about 100 yards away there will be a barier of c4 underground that surrounds a wall around the strong hold also mounted with 50 cal.s and shotguns and if the wall is taken the c4 blows all of those zombies into millions of pieces and the zombies get past any of this and take the main strog hold then well... they must be invincalbe or somthing.
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NorCalSurvivors |
15. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 8:02 PM EST
If you plan ahead carefully, you can I.D. several small, light-industrial business parks in outlying areas, often 20-30 miles from any sort of city or town. They are located there because land is cheap. There tend to be clusters of 1 or 2 story buildings, and they often have power and sewer seperate from any main power grid, often running off of large propane tanks designed to power them for a coupl of months at a time.They tend to be the kind of places that manufacture things like mobile homes, prefabricated concrete building components, granite counter tops ... or repair large trucks or act as storage facilities for nearby (enough) government entities. They are build tough and often have strong perimeter fencing to discourage thieves. Few people will know where they are, much less seek them out. Get there FIRST and fortify to meet the challenges ahead. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 8:25 PM EST
"nobody is going to just cheerfully LET you take over and start barricading the place during the initial phases of outbreak - when YOU realize what is happening, but the population at large does not. You'll wind up in jail at precisely the time that it's a BAD time to be in jail ... "It's important to time it correctly. The time to take the building will be when all the police are already too busy to just come and arrest you. On top of the fact that In that type of situation...anyone who tries to stop me WILL get shot. "that the 20 or 30 people who comprise the management and staff of said locations will quite handily clean the building out of whatever they want. Some may choose to stay, fortify the building and defend against all comers. " A building of that magnitude will not get cleaned out quickly. And the management and suck can barricade themselves in, but they will be doing so without weapons. In that way they are giving me the advantage when I arrive fully armed(and not alone). "You best bet is to have a defensible location identified well OUTSIDE of heavily populated areas. Have your weapons, ammunition and basic supplies purchased well ahead of time. When YOU have identified the outbreak is occuring (which should be well ahead of the general population), that's when you clean out your back account, max out the credit cards, buy any last minute things you can ... especially building materials for fortifying your "keep" ... get as much additional ammo as you can in the last few hours before all shit breaks loose." I'm talking about an area outside of the heavily populated town. My basic supplies will be purchased ahead of time. And the best time to take control of your keep is right as shit hits the fan...not any sooner or very long after...that's when you have the advantage. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 9:39 PM EST
Interesting plan. Is there some reason that you cannot preplan well enough to avoid threatening violence (or death) to some poor bastards who only want to keep you from looying their store, and may not yet recognize the gravity of the situation?It would also be interesting to know - for planning analysis - how well you are personally armed, and how well trained you are in laying seige under such circumstances. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mkxlng63 |
18. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 12 2009, 10:18 PM EST
Well I'm assuming they would back down rather quickly...who wants to die over some canned goods? But under the circumstances, I would be more than willing to kill for my family and friends. It's their mistake for not recognizing the gravity of the situation...and to be honest I would be more than happy to bring them into my group before I would kill them.I myself and armed pretty well. I would be carrying a .22 Sportsmen, .45 Kimber 1911, S&W 44 mag, 870 marine magnum, and 30-30 lever action. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Where would make the best stronghold?
Jan 13 2009, 2:06 AM EST
hmmm as i read every ones past comments i noticed there was tendency to name off places with wide floor plans/ big buildings were alot can go unnoticed if someones not watching the right place or is stuck in for the defence at some other part of the building. My personal choises for a fortifaction, would revolve around were i live at the time of the beggining of the end. Im sure a castle is no where near a population center with in easy travling distants (i live in the u.s, so not a big issue for me) plus big malls, homes, etc WILL be packed with other people witht the same idea as you. Taking this into account, my first plan would be to, after collecting supplies at the nearest ACE hardware (dried & caned food, weapons, camping gear, at least where i live) then holing up witha few others in a small, two story log cabin i own for a month or two. the only why there is by fourwheeler/snow mobile. Its in the deep woods. Afterwards, i would move back into the nearest town(not city, town= small=less zombies over all) By know i would assume that most if not all resisents has collapsed in the face of the zombie hordes, so a local national guard armory might be a good place to stock up on serious fire power(at least more then I'd already have) also, depending on the layout, it might be a good place to hole up if need be. From there I would take as many survivors as i could get back out to the woods, building more shelters, traps and other defences as need be. the woods would provide the nesicary provisions if we ran out. no more going back to population centers, except when winter came in, which i guess we would have to back for better shelter.... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
