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DeathHead02	So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 20 2009, 11:41 PM EST In all honesty, if the Zapocalypse happens I doubt it will last any more than two years. I mean if you consider all the possible zombies Rage Zombies - Still alive and although set into a viral induced fury, they still die like humans. so if they were to act like 28 days/weeks infected they would probobly die off at about 3 months into the outbreak at most. This is because if they dont eat or drink, they will starve or more likely dehydrate after about 1 week provided they are really motivated to stay alive. Even if they cannibalize, something tells me theyll stray from drinking water, and the water content in human flesh cannot support them. These zombies could be ideal in a way, although they are fast and relentless they are affected by everything we are. So to much time spent in the elements can kill them, lack of food and water, If we are lucky they may even fight amongst them selves. So with these zombies, Id say at most a year before either the elements or something else kills most of them off. Undead - So this is the thing we are ultimatley preparing for, but really... walking corpses will still decompose right? So if the conditions are just right for the undead, most of them may survive decomposition for a few months. But insects, bacteria and just natural weathering will break them down in about 2 months, or a few weeks if you live somewhere hot. But unless you live somewhere thats under 20 degrees celcius all the time, you should be in the clear. So really, about 1 year of being boarded up, maybe 2 if you want to be careful and human society should be rebuilding itself, or atleast encountering little resistance. So I think you could be more hopeful and take some worry off your phsycological condition if it really ever happens. Any other suggestions, theories or hypothesies would be greatly appreciated. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Zapocalypse Zombies time
John_234	1. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 20 2009, 11:48 PM EST You also have to keep the Brooks zombie in mind-saturated with Solanum, these have a slow rate of decomposition. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Soulful_Slayer	2. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 20 2009, 11:50 PM EST It would all depend on the type of Zombie. There are to many factors that come into play. Like John said if you go by Brooks, they decompose slower. Some could go faster. I would say 2 to 5 years. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mkxlng63	3. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 12:02 AM EST Yeah, the decomposition of a zombie depends on too many factors. I just plan on zombies being around for quite a few years. What's going to eat at zombie that's infected? Could decompose as fast as a regular body, or super slow. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DeathHead02	4. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 12:07 AM EST But solanum is a virus he made up right? I mean, yes zombies are themselves fictional. But if they were to ever rise, it would likely be the cause of some other virus. And although Im not a micro biologist, I dont think there are any viruses out there that will suspend decomposition or otherwise naturally embalm its host. I think its safe to consider that they would decompose at the normal rate. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mkxlng63	5. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 12:15 AM EST Yeah, but you also have to factor in the possibility of "rage" zombies. Ones that are still living, but aren't the people they used to be. That's a much more realistic threat than the undead type of zombie. Zombies like that will probably still have a fully funtioning immune system....cause it'll just be their brain that is affected. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	6. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 12:40 AM EST "But solanum is a virus he made up right? I mean, yes zombies are themselves fictional. But if they were to ever rise, it would likely be the cause of some other virus. And although Im not a micro biologist, I dont think there are any viruses out there that will suspend decomposition or otherwise naturally embalm its host. I think its safe to consider that they would decompose at the normal rate." Generally, I'd agree, but I also believe in plan for the worst Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DeathHead02	7. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 1:13 AM EST I suppose. Just giving my own personal theories. And the rage zombies are even more likely to die off within a few months. And if they hydrate and nourish themselves they will still likely die once winter or autumn comes. Or living in such poor hygenic standards they can easily become susceptable to disease, which without better hygenic conditions will probobly kill them. I personally hope for this type of infected. Also another thing to consider is if one's mind is taken over by a parasite or virus, the infection likely wont be used to controlling humans so this may make them clumsy, if they try to sprint they may trip over their own feet. I can see the rage zombies as being the ideal form, for all the reasons already stated plus, depending on how in touch the infection is with the host... pain might even affect them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Deacan	8. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 3:01 AM EST I play for it to last well after I am dust. No zombie can last that long you say? Three hundred years ago they also said man would never fly in the sky. Once someone said told gallilao that he was stupid and that the world was flat, not round, and once someone told the maker of hot pockets he didn't know what he was doing. My point is that people are wrong. Only until later do we come to understand our full potentials, and zombies will become the same. Even if we do pull off a hands across america situation where we all grab each other and march across america singing Kombi ya my lord.... Kombi ya! and popping off the zeds as we go, we are still going to miss the ones in the bottem of lakes, deep in the darkest reaches of caves, and such remote sites that could give certain advantages to zombies on long term preservation of thier bodies. Say one wonders out of a cave six generations down the line where my decendents all thought that I was a crazy crazy old man that crazy grandpa talked about. Then the zombie walks out and the whole damn thing starts over again. So, it could last a long long time. Best prepare for an interesting time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Borathian	9. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 6:08 AM EST "But solanum is a virus he made up right? I mean, yes zombies are themselves fictional. But if they were to ever rise, it would likely be the cause of some other virus. And although Im not a micro biologist, I dont think there are any viruses out there that will suspend decomposition or otherwise naturally embalm its host. I think its safe to consider that they would decompose at the normal rate." this isn't necessarily true as there are new viruses are being discovered by the thousands daily, as small organisms mutate with greater effect faster that larger organisms since there are less cells to change, so in essence its really only a matter of time before an actual zombie producing virus occurs, or maybe one already has but simply dyed out before it could do anything. Basically there are just to many variables to simply throw zombies in the fiction bin and treat it fully as a joke, or any kind of disaster for that matter, which is why it's always good to have a basic survival kit on hand even if you only like talking about zombie survival for fun, as the basics for survival in any disaster are basically the same tho obviously relative to the location in which you live. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NorCalSurvivors	10. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 3:22 PM EST Well, let's be realistic (lol). While Brooks did a great job in creating a believable work of fiction, it's really just a very good bunch of internally-consistent B.S. (and God love him for it) Viruses act upon certain vectors, and when you stray too far from actual reality (as I think Brooks has done) and start imparting to them semi-magical properties, we all have to recognize that for the awesome bit of entertaining hoot that it is. Realistic plans need to be based upon realistic scenarios. You can strain the envelope somewhat, and it is actually useful to do so, but bust it all together and you end of planning for the wrong damned scenario. Chief among my complaints are Brook's contention that somehow Zombies are impervious to salt water decomposition. That's just plain nuts on a scale that can hardly be overlooked. Almost literally NOTHING isn't subject to salt water's corosive properties. Fish evolved to live in the sea, and yet even they will be "mush" within a few hours after death. So, I can't take the notion that Zombies are unaffected as being anything other than "magical property added for sake of drama". The same goes for general decomposition. It has to be said that most viruses don't kill you directly ... you die from secondary bacterial infections, after the virus has overwhelmed your immune system. Viruses are also somewhat species specific. So, it's magical thinking to believe that it infects/kills humans directly while simultaneously being deadly to every other known form of bacteria/fungus/worm/fly larvae and shielding the host from UV-based decomposition general wear-n-tear! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Borathian	11. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 4:45 PM EST "Well, let's be realistic (lol). While Brooks did a great job in creating a believable work of fiction, it's really just a very good bunch of internally-consistent B.S. (and God love him for it) Viruses act upon certain vectors, and when you stray too far from actual reality (as I think Brooks has done) and start imparting to them semi-magical properties, we all have to recognize that for the awesome bit of entertaining hoot that it is. Realistic plans need to be based upon realistic scenarios. You can strain the envelope somewhat, and it is actually useful to do so, but bust it all together and you end of planning for the wrong damned scenario. Chief among my complaints are Brook's contention that somehow Zombies are impervious to salt water decomposition. That's just plain nuts on a scale that can hardly be overlooked. Almost literally NOTHING isn't subject to salt water's corosive properties. Fish evolved to live in the sea, and yet even they will be "mush" within a few hours after death. So, I can't take the notion that Zombies are unaffected as being anything other than "magical property added for sake of drama". The same goes for general decomposition. It has to be said that most viruses don't kill you directly ... you die from secondary bacterial infections, after the virus has overwhelmed your immune system. Viruses are also somewhat species specific. So, it's magical thinking to believe that it infects/kills humans directly while simultaneously being deadly to every other known form of bacteria/fungus/worm/fly larvae and shielding the host from UV-based decomposition general wear-n-tear!" I know were your coming from, and I totally agree that the zombies portrayed in Max Brook's books are almost impossible, however the zombieisms I guess you would say, that would most likely happen would be ones in which the the person is not technically dead but rather has there behavior altered some how like those in 28 days/week later, quarantine, etc. so something more along the lines of an altered form of the rabies virus rather than something that actually reanimated the dead. Along with this there are some possible ways zombies might occur that are non viral as well. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NorCalSurvivors	12. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 5:07 PM EST I should be clear that I don't discount the notion of "dead" zombies. There are forms of bacteria which are anerobic (meaning they don't need oxygen) in nature for instance. Many bacteria are just fine with feeding off of dead tissue. Bacteria do all sorts of weird things and give off all sorts of chemical byproducts. It's not too far of a stretch to imagine a bacteria which produced some kind of combination of neuro-active chemicals which could cause a sort of "reanimation". There are viruses which attack ONLY nerve tissue and leave other tissue intact. Viruses generally all require active living tissue to propagate, however. So, imagine a a virus which kills a person by attacking the brain ... leaving only a remnant of basic motor functions, the instinct to "feed", and insect/reptilian limbic responses. It kills the host, which stops the virus from spreading further. And simultaneously an anaerobic bacteria is present, which feeds off of dead tissue and creates - as a byproduct - some kind of neuro-activating chemical soup which "reanimates" (without actually bringing back to life) the central nervous system of whatever is left of the host. This would be a "zombie" for sure, and it would last above as long as it took for the bacteria to consume all remaining "dead" tissue. That could be as little as a few days or as long as a few months depending on a number of other factors. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ConradJacobs	13. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 5:08 PM EST " Say one wonders out of a cave six generations down the line where my decendents all thought that I was a crazy crazy old man that crazy grandpa talked about. Then the zombie walks out and the whole damn thing starts over again. So, it could last a long long time. Best prepare for an interesting time." If humanity were to survive a WWZ scenario I would really hope that our future generations would not forget such a horrific event. However there a people in my school that don't know what World War the nuclear bomb was introduced... Back on topic, I think it depends on what type of zombie we are dealing with. Hell zombies could be around for a long time if whatever made them into zombies (virus, voodoo magic, w/e) sticks around. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Borathian	14. RE: So how long do you think it will really last? Jan 21 2009, 9:06 PM EST "I should be clear that I don't discount the notion of "dead" zombies. There are forms of bacteria which are anerobic (meaning they don't need oxygen) in nature for instance. Many bacteria are just fine with feeding off of dead tissue. Bacteria do all sorts of weird things and give off all sorts of chemical byproducts. It's not too far of a stretch to imagine a bacteria which produced some kind of combination of neuro-active chemicals which could cause a sort of "reanimation". There are viruses which attack ONLY nerve tissue and leave other tissue intact. Viruses generally all require active living tissue to propagate, however. So, imagine a a virus which kills a person by attacking the brain ... leaving only a remnant of basic motor functions, the instinct to "feed", and insect/reptilian limbic responses. It kills the host, which stops the virus from spreading further. And simultaneously an anaerobic bacteria is present, which feeds off of dead tissue and creates - as a byproduct - some kind of neuro-activating chemical soup which "reanimates" (without actually bringing back to life) the central nervous system of whatever is left of the host. This would be a "zombie" for sure, and it would last above as long as it took for the bacteria to consume all remaining "dead" tissue. That could be as little as a few days or as long as a few months depending on a number of other factors." thats an interesting idea, tho with more than one variable I would think that cases like this would be rare, unless both variables were transfered through a bite or something, so very plausible but most likely not very probable, still interesting speculation tho. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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