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corpsicle
corpsicle
20. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 13 2009, 3:11 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2009, 3:11 AM EST
Well, considering most of us have no access to an A-10, perhaps this thread has become moot, last time I saw an "electric minigun" or whatever you want to call it was a component of a phalanx on the U.S.S. Samuel Elliot Morrison in 1988, if I remember correctly. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Borathian
Borathian
21. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 13 2009, 5:02 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2009, 5:02 AM EST
"Yea, I know, read my last post ( the one above this one.)"
OK didn't see that. Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
22. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 13 2009, 5:48 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2009, 5:48 PM EST
"Well, considering most of us have no access to an A-10, perhaps this thread has become moot, last time I saw an "electric minigun" or whatever you want to call it was a component of a phalanx on the U.S.S. Samuel Elliot Morrison in 1988, if I remember correctly."
If need be, I can obtain access to an A10....not necessarily through legal means, but still. Do you find this valuable?    
alicestar
alicestar
23. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 13 2009, 7:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 13 2009, 7:03 PM EST
"If need be, I can obtain access to an A10....not necessarily through legal means, but still."
are you going to correct what i posted R&H or are you just going to leave it a "very wrong"?
if you know better then please educate me Do you find this valuable?    
Borathian
Borathian
24. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 12:22 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 12:22 AM EST
"are you going to correct what i posted R&H or are you just going to leave it a "very wrong"?
if you know better then please educate me"
I think he was just nitpicking about the name "minigun" and that it is a company name and not the actual designation of a firearm, so out of all miniguns the only ones that are actual miniguns are those named as such by the manufacturer that owns the name "minigun". Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
25. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 3:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 3:16 AM EST
"I think he was just nitpicking about the name "minigun" and that it is a company name and not the actual designation of a firearm, so out of all miniguns the only ones that are actual miniguns are those named as such by the manufacturer that owns the name "minigun"."
No, my point was that it is NOT a gattling gun. A gattling gun has a hand crank. I was simply trying to correct whoever wrote the piece on the A 10 where they wrote that it has a gattling gun. But since people still seem confused, im going to make a chart. Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
26. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 3:29 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 3:29 AM EST
Here's ma chart.
[IMG]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png[/IMG]
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R&H
R&H
27. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 3:30 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 3:30 AM EST
"Here's ma chart.
[IMG]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png[/IMG]
"
<a href="http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/?action=view&current=A10chart.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
28. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 3:31 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 3:31 AM EST
"<img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket">"
Why is this so difficult? Well, here's the link to my chart:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png Do you find this valuable?    
Borathian
Borathian
29. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 6:56 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 6:56 AM EST
"No, my point was that it is NOT a gattling gun. A gattling gun has a hand crank. I was simply trying to correct whoever wrote the piece on the A 10 where they wrote that it has a gattling gun. But since people still seem confused, im going to make a chart."
well your post that said "very wrong" doesn't say anything about gatling guns just the name minigun.

this kind of forum only supports texts BTW. Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
30. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 8:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 8:32 PM EST
"well your post that said "very wrong" doesn't say anything about gatling guns just the name minigun.

this kind of forum only supports texts BTW."
I was responding to your post about the minigun. Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
31. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 14 2009, 9:00 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 14 2009, 9:00 PM EST
"are you going to correct what i posted R&H or are you just going to leave it a "very wrong"?
if you know better then please educate me"
Meh, too lazy to correct every mistake. And if I have to correct mistakes in the thread about a correction, I'm just losing ground here. Do you find this valuable?    
Borathian
Borathian
32. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 7:49 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 7:49 AM EST
"I was responding to your post about the minigun."
you mean "now days Minigun usually refers to -20MM autocannons wile Vulcan/other refers to 20MM+ autocannons."

thats technically correct regardless of a manufacturers ownership of the name, just like Colt patented the name M4 for there M4 carbine however as people refer to firearm with the same design as an M4, the name M4 no longer specifically refers to Colts M4, and the same thing applies to the name minigun which now usually refers to any -20MM autocannon.

and FYI the full names of some Gatling-type guns(minis, vulcan, etc) includes the name Gatling gun, most likely for reference purposes tho I don't know if its just something that has been tacked on over time or a manufacturer intended addition, but most likely the former.

and FYI again :P theres a reason theres a Quote & reply button, so that people know exactly which post your referring to when replying to one especially in long threads. :) Do you find this valuable?    
Littlejon126
Littlejon126
33. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 1:43 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 1:43 PM EST
A Gatling is over 100 years old, utilized a hand crank and was made out of brass. Jammed a lot. VERY OLD.

A minigun is a 30 caliber (likely .308/7.62 NATO) and was used on huey cobras and as turrets on all sorts of vehicles. Also fictionally carried by Jessie "The Body" Ventura in Predator, which is impossible, even of someone Mr. Ventura's size.

A10 carries the "Avenger." It's for busting tanks. 30 MM cannon. For those of you unaware of this, 30 mm is 50% larger than a 20mm cannon and that's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in power. Not difficult math either. Also used depleted uranium projectiles though this has come under scrutiny. 30 MM is very powerful, very very nasty. The caliber's first use on aircraft was the Nazi Mk 108 cannon in the BF-109 by Messerschmidt but they used HE rounds.

CIWS (Mk 15 Phalanx) 20 MM of radar controlled badassness. Shooting down modern kamikazes and missles. My buddy controls them on the DDG85 McCampbell.

All of this is easily obtained on wikipedia. People are just too lazy to look it all up. There's lots of different "Gatling style" (meaning rotating multiple barrels) but they're all very different, and named differently. I didn't touch base on the soviet ones either but I don't know those as well. Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
34. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 1:48 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 1:48 PM EST
I recall an incident where they forgot to switch off the phalanx gun when a friendly helo was coming in..... Do you find this valuable?    
Littlejon126
Littlejon126
35. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 2:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 2:38 PM EST
most of those radar operated guns have IFF technology to keep that from happening but I imagine that accidents do happen... Do you find this valuable?    
R&H
R&H
36. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 7:52 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 7:52 PM EST
"A Gatling is over 100 years old, utilized a hand crank and was made out of brass. Jammed a lot. VERY OLD.

A minigun is a 30 caliber (likely .308/7.62 NATO) and was used on huey cobras and as turrets on all sorts of vehicles. Also fictionally carried by Jessie "The Body" Ventura in Predator, which is impossible, even of someone Mr. Ventura's size.

A10 carries the "Avenger." It's for busting tanks. 30 MM cannon. For those of you unaware of this, 30 mm is 50% larger than a 20mm cannon and that's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in power. Not difficult math either. Also used depleted uranium projectiles though this has come under scrutiny. 30 MM is very powerful, very very nasty. The caliber's first use on aircraft was the Nazi Mk 108 cannon in the BF-109 by Messerschmidt but they used HE rounds.

CIWS (Mk 15 Phalanx) 20 MM of radar controlled badassness. Shooting down modern kamikazes and missles. My buddy controls them on the DDG85 McCampbell.

All of this is easily obtained on wikipedia. People are just too lazy to look it all up. There's lots of different "Gatling style" (meaning rotating multiple barrels) but they're all very different, and named differently. I didn't touch base on the soviet ones either but I don't know those as well."
THANK YOU, at least ONE person gets it. And as far as the Russian ones go, I don't even pretend to understand them. I just stick em' on ma Mi-24 and go about my business. Do you find this valuable?    
Borathian
Borathian
37. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 9:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 9:42 PM EST
"THANK YOU, at least ONE person gets it. And as far as the Russian ones go, I don't even pretend to understand them. I just stick em' on ma Mi-24 and go about my business. "
gets what? no one every said anything to the contrary of what Littlejon stated he just condensed the information into one post instead of several. Do you find this valuable?    

LOOKINGLASS
38. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 15 2009, 11:17 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 11:17 PM EST
"now days Minigun usually refers to -20MM autocannons wile Vulcan/other refers to 20MM+ autocannons."
that is on the money. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
R&H
R&H
39. RE: A10 misconception
Feb 16 2009, 7:36 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 16 2009, 7:36 AM EST
"gets what? no one every said anything to the contrary of what Littlejon stated he just condensed the information into one post instead of several."
Ok, lemme make it easy for you to understand
1. Miniguns ONLY refer to the M134, that's the one you see in all the movies and video games
2. All electrically powered American rotary weapons are autocannons
3. Vulcans ONLY refer to the rotary weapons produced by General Dynamics
4. Finally, Gattling cannons, are ONLY the hand cranked ones produced over a hundred years ago

and FYI, I posted all the needed information in my first post. If you are STILL confused, I did provide a link to my chart above, and here in this post:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/Phase_2/A10chart.png

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