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DevilNuts	Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 11:04 AM EST Good luck rounding up your personal army, tell me how that works out for you. A few things I think you did wrong here: 1) gun shops. Gun shops are owned by someone, right? In the event of an emergency, there is about a 99% chance that "someone" (the owner) gets there before you do. And he will be armed to the teeth, and sighted-in on the front door. Good luck with that. 2) Walmart. Thanksgiving '08: People actually DIED at walmart trying to buy VIDEO GAMES for their KIDS. Why in the hell would you go there for SUPPLIES, during the END of the WORLD ?!?!?!?! You want to get as far away from that mob mentality and panicked looting as possible. Those people are all going to die. Avoid all major population centers. 3) Your emphasis on weaponry is misplaced. You can sneak around in the city indefinitely as long as you can stay quiet, but the first, very first shot you fire will begin your "Last Stand" and you will quickly be swarmed. Think about it: In a few days, the power goes out, the gas stops pumping. All of the noise that used to pollute the city is suddenly silenced. One shot rings out, and every zombie within ten miles in every direction is going to come straight down on your head. Trust me my friend, you will not have enough guns. Put down the sniper rifle. A bottle of Aquafina will keep you alive longer. 4) You mentioned food a few times, and I even saw a call for caffiene and amphetamines (which you were planning to find exactly where...?) but nothing specifically relating to water. You need a plan to find and collect potable drinking water, and Walmart is not going to cut it. You need to set up collection stations on the rooftops, and since you are in the city start looking around in office buildings for those neat water-cooler blue bottles. Even if they aren't full, the jugs will be nice to have. 5)Sanitation. Can't be living in your own poop now, can you? Post reply 19 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Zombiefreeworld	1. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 11:16 AM EST thank you sir. I found the same problems with their survival guide. Post reply 3 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
3DayAsylum	2. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 11:34 AM EST You mean, HIS. Post reply 5 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
zombiewriter	3. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 1:23 PM EST The vast majority of people are not going to leave their families behind for a week and hope they are ok. Expect EVERYONE to show up along with some of their friends and their family members as well. I know I'm not going to tell my wife to wait for a week while I take off. And what about our daughter and two grandkids and her husband? If I know of a safe place to go I'm taking them all. Whatever our 'leader' had in mind will go right out the window. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
zombiehunter14	4. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 1:35 PM EST the thing is most of the stuff you are stupid ideas the fact is YOUR RIGHT!!! this and the guide say to avoid those areas and there shouldnt need this thread Post reply 1 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
NorCal_Survivors	5. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 8:25 PM EST "... 3) Your emphasis on weaponry is misplaced. You can sneak around in the city indefinitely as long as you can stay quiet, but the first, very first shot you fire will begin your "Last Stand" and you will quickly be swarmed. Think about it: In a few days, the power goes out, the gas stops pumping. All of the noise that used to pollute the city is suddenly silenced. One shot rings out, and every zombie within ten miles in every direction is going to come straight down on your head. Trust me my friend, you will not have enough guns. ..." Interesting notion. Is it your position that Z are somehow imbued with super powers of echolocation? I'm just wondering, because in typical urban environments there are tons of reflective surfaces. Police cannot even accurately determine the DIRECTION, much less the location of gunfire in urban and suburban envirnoments. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Navsubet	6. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 9:12 PM EST This is possibly the worst survival guide I have seen on this site, if not the worst, then really close second. So so many flaws. The first of which popped out to me is the organizing the 20 people with skills and weapons getting ready for armagedon, I think they have a word for this, wait they do, CULT, so anyone taking this "survival guide" serious needs to go ahead and belly up to the poison punch bowl and have a glass. The second thing that jumped out, ok so there are infected everywhere, you are a city, lots of people, lots of cars, lots of buildings and narrow roads, what good if a vehicle going to do you in these conditions, have you not seen what rush hour looks like on a normal day, then throw in a few thousand half dead guys, you may get half a mile before having to ditch the car. Third thing, mini gun, 50 cal machine gun, really?? what world are you in where these are accesible? Not to mention what is their point, they are heavy, inaccurate, and waste a TON of ammo for one or 2 kills, oh and ounting it to your vehicle, well, reference the above remark on vehicles in urban environments. The best survival guide for being a big city...... GTF out of the big city.... That is all Post reply 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
John_234	8. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 9:27 PM EST Uh guys, this is a single user's plan, its not representative of the wiki, so quit fucking acting like it is. Navsubet, you never saw Hollis123's plan did you? He was talking about control the gene pool and selectively breeding humans. Granted, thats not a plan, but when you get stuff that far fetched, plans like this shouldn't be too surprising. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Navsubet	9. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 10:00 PM EST I know it is just a single users plan. There have bee na few good ones I've come accross on here and then there are the ones like this that will absolutely get anyone who follows it killed in any disaster situation. On the subject of other crazy plans, such as the one you mentioned, they are just that, crazy, I'd like to think they aren't being serious, they are just going off into fantasy land, which is fine. The plans like this seem like they are attempts at being serious. Besides it's just fun to go back and forth sometimes. Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Anarchy91	10. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 10:15 PM EST "2) Walmart. Thanksgiving '08: People actually DIED at walmart trying to buy VIDEO GAMES for their KIDS. Why in the hell would you go there for SUPPLIES, during the END of the WORLD ?!?!?!?! You want to get as far away from that mob mentality and panicked looting as possible. Those people are all going to die. Avoid all major population centers. " I don't think walmarts would be as crowded as you say they would. The reasoning be that, your typicaly wal-mart customer (conservative, christian, mother of 4) would be in either 2 places during z-day. In church, praying for their god's forgiveness along with others. Or, sitting in home in disbelief that zombies actually exist. And on top of that, during z-day, most other people would be preparing. In other words, there will be a lot of people just running in to grab as much as they can, first come, first served. And considering the fact your reading this means that you took the time to go on this website and are therefore, understanding zombies. This gives you a huge advantage over any other scavengers out there, because the second that word gets out of a zombie outbreak 75% of the users on this site will already be on their way to their fortresses. It really is a case of the early bird gets the worm. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Legion12	11. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 11:29 PM EST It will take time for anyone , goverment or anyone else, to come out and say " Zombie Attack " untill them there will be power outages from car crashes and other disasters, and talk of shortages will make people want to stock up. Just like a snow storm people will try and get as much as they can as fast as they can. During a snow storm ? power outage our wal-mart sold out of flashlights. Thats a lot of flashlights. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Borathian	12. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Feb 28 2009, 11:49 PM EST " Third thing, mini gun, 50 cal machine gun, really?? what world are you in where these are accesible? Not to mention what is their point, they are heavy, inaccurate, and waste a TON of ammo for one or 2 kills, oh and ounting it to your vehicle, well, reference the above remark on vehicles in urban environments." the idea that these weapons are inaccurate simply because they are designed for automatic fire is wrong, true they waste ammo like no other and they are heavier than hell and these are major flaw after Z-day, however inaccuracy is not one of them, especially for the .50 machine gun which Carlos Norman Hathcock II a famous USMC sniper used(specifically the M2 Browning Machine Gun) in conjunction with a scope(Unertl) to snipe with on occasion and could accurately engage a target at 2500 yards with single shots. so not countering your argument against them, just correcting misinformation(not that it was intentional or anything). Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Deadwards	13. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 12:19 AM EST Something to add: - Pop bottle silencers DO NOT work. - Stick to sneaking around, and if you must kill, be quite. - Caffeine, bad...Calories and Carbs...good Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	14. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 12:23 AM EST I disagree about emphasis on weapons, but otherwise, you're right. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Quickrace89	15. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 1:23 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 1:26 AM EST Perhaps I should clear a few things up. One, it's blaringly obvious that you should have distilled water and rations organized. That goes without saying. I'm an Australian. I just thought of large supermarket chain and the first thing that came to mind was Walmart. I have never been in a Walmart. I have never been in any large chain supermarket in America. I have never been to mainland America. Also, I don't know about gun laws. At the time of writing this I knew next to nothing about US gun laws, and by the sounds of it, .50 BMG machine guns aren't accessible to the public. Sorry. That was most certainly a flaw. This guide was written under the pretense that you could not escape the city. Who knows, the army may have quarrantined the whole city and they're about to nuke it in a week or so. And even after that, all routes out of the city could be blocked. The endgame of this scenario is that you wait until the zombies run out of food and begin to die off. Then, you begin the extermination - this is after you have a big-ass fort on the hill and a few supertankers of ammo. As for the vehicles? What about the guys who are killed before they hop in their cars? Is everyone going to park on the freeway before they miraculously (or not) die? Of course, if the option is there, get out of major population centres, and stay out until you have a means of mass extermination (eg. You've come prepared with the whole of the US defence forces behind you). And having 20 people ready to survive a disaster isn't called a cult. A cult is a religious organization, quite often an extreme one. To be honest, I didn't think of families. That was an afterthought - ideally you should pick single people, or couples who can both pull their weight. Thankyou for your critique - but perhaps you should read the guide a little closer. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Borathian	16. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 4:03 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 4:03 AM EST "Also, I don't know about gun laws. At the time of writing this I knew next to nothing about US gun laws, and by the sounds of it, .50 BMG machine guns aren't accessible to the public. Sorry. That was most certainly a flaw." Last time I checked ordinance used by militaries don't simply disappear after the crews manning them are killed nor do they evaporate from stockpiles after the guards are killed or removed. Ordinance otherwise unavailable before Z-day will still be around and now available to those with the luck or knowledge to find them, so a civilians ability to purchase select ordinance prior to Z-day is irrelevant. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DevilNuts	17. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 7:53 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 7:53 AM EST "Interesting notion. Is it your position that Z are somehow imbued with super powers of echolocation? I'm just wondering, because in typical urban environments there are tons of reflective surfaces. Police cannot even accurately determine the DIRECTION, much less the location of gunfire in urban and suburban envirnoments." Depends on the setting. Are we on wall street, or sheepshead bay? Hoboken, or Camden? More importantly, are you willing to risk your life and the lives of everyone you have left in the world that nobody will be able to determine your location from the sound? One shot is all it takes. There don't have to be a thousand zombies on the street, there can be five or ten. One shot fires, and they start shuffing over. NOW you need to fire five more shots. By that time, who knows what has shuffled over. My point was not so much that zombies have echolocation (although they may hear better than we do, given Mr Brooks' postulate on equal use of senses) but that noise can be your worst enemy in a place where sound travels for miles and everyone is so tightly packed together. This scenario is open-ended and there is no right answer. But we each do what we think is right. If you're sitting in the window, loaded for bear and ready to start capping zombies as a preventative measure, I am going to be somewhere else, and good luck to you. Good post. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DevilNuts	18. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 8:02 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 8:02 AM EST "Last time I checked ordinance used by militaries don't simply disappear after the crews manning them are killed nor do they evaporate from stockpiles after the guards are killed or removed. Ordinance otherwise unavailable before Z-day will still be around and now available to those with the luck or knowledge to find them, so a civilians ability to purchase select ordinance prior to Z-day is irrelevant." Cute and somewhat clever, but Old Ma Deuce is not as simple as a revolver, and the average untrained individual is not going to know what to do with a .50 Machinegun. If, on the off chance you manage to find a military LP/OP or damaged convoy vehicle with a gun inside, what would you do with it? * .50 guns are not light. They are quite the opposite. They are Fcking heavy. * Do you know how to load one? They don't accept magazines. If I hadn't been trained on one I wouldn't even be able to find the safety. * You don't fire these things from the hip. How are you going to mount one to your vehicle? Is there a tripod? If so, lets hope you know how to use the T&E mechanism or good luck hitting anything with it. * Who knows what headspace and timing is, or how to set it? Your gun won't fire properly without it. * Did you remember to grab the spare barrel while you were looting? No? Fuck, because this one is too hot. Oh you did bring it? Good, who knows how to change them out? I could go on, but I think I've made my point. It's real easy and fun to fire .50 caliber machineguns in Ghost Recon, but in real life unless you know what you are doing what you will have is an 80-pound doorstop. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SebWhite	19. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 12:55 PM EST "Is it your position that Z are somehow imbued with super powers of echolocation? ... in typical urban environments there are tons of reflective surfaces. Police cannot even accurately determine the DIRECTION, much less the location of gunfire in urban and suburban envirnoments." he did say that there wouldnt be any noise in the city any more tho so.... that would probably be why the police cant find the direction/ location.... Plus if its a viral outbreak for all we know the zombies might just have an echo hearing thing... we dont know, were not infected, just because someone hasnt put it in one of their films dosent mean we shouldnt rule it out... Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
USNtwidget	20. RE: Your guide will get people killed. Mar 1 2009, 2:44 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 2:44 PM EST "Perhaps I should clear a few things up. One, it's blaringly obvious that you should have distilled water and rations organized. That goes without saying. " actualy you want purified water distiled water will give you the shits and eventulay kill you Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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