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JasonRedfield |
1. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 17 2009, 8:39 PM EDT
They both have their merits.I'd NEVER use a bow, personally. However, that's simply because I am crappy with them. I wouldn't be able to score a single kill with one, guaranteed. Which brings us to an inherent disadvantage of bows - they require more skill than a gun to use, so any user would have to be trained beforehand in their use. Second, they often have less range than guns (not always, but often). Third, they only have one shot at a time. However, they aren't without their advantages. Like you said, they're silent. They don't jam. Their ammo can be used again, and you could make ammo for it if necessary. Personally, I would see bows as more of a special-purpose tool/weapon, not one to stake your life on to repel a horde. Again, just my opinions. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 17 2009, 10:20 PM EDT
But any bow has a very naked Achilles Heel. That string can snap. Multiple strings could still be carried a lot more easily than gun parts but the durability is an issue. On the points you made here though thumbs up.
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3. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 17 2009, 10:52 PM EDT
For killing things? Guns, of course. If it came down to gun VS bow, it'd be gun consistently (assuming it is reliable and has ammo)If it was between picking up another gun or a bow (assuming I already had a firearm), it'd be bow, because they do have utility. Do you find this valuable? |
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Flashlight50 |
4. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 17 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
Gun over Bow any time. My bow would only be used as a primary if I was running low on ammo. or if I am at a secure location and a couple of zombies were around but couldn't get in I would have fun and use my Bow on them.
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SkipNChurch |
5. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 12:17 AM EDT
Not much of an archer myself.I can shoot the bow, classic, stick, recurve, straights fairly well. Put wheels and shelves, attached things, toys and sights, it may as well be alien technology AFAIC. Stick bow and decently fletched straight arrows make for a decent and quiet part of your weapons systems. Like learning to walk quietly, drink silently, pass gas noiselessly, archery is a set of skills that takes time and practice to learn to do well. **I'm** not Designated Unit Archer... Ever. SnC *FingersAndStringsPlease* Do you find this valuable? |
NorCal_Survivors |
6. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 12:41 AM EDT
Maybe I'm just being snarky (and I could be wrong), but it occurs to me that there just might be a reason that military and police units don't ever have a "designated bowman".
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Carnack |
7. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 12:58 AM EDT
"Maybe I'm just being snarky (and I could be wrong), but it occurs to me that there just might be a reason that military and police units don't ever have a "designated bowman"."No question that in an assault gun trumps bow everytime. But now let's look at standard police and SWAT tactics. How often is silence a requirement? How often is ammunition an issue? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 1:09 AM EDT
i see in this thread that the only 2 choices are gun OR bow, why not gun AND bow, i mean really.if you have a bow then you have enough room for the gun (im talking some sort of pistol) i mean use the bow in all sorta situations like hunting for food and stuff (DEER!) and small groups of zed close to hordes (i have no idea why you would want to do this but ohh well) and if your in a tight spot use the gun. simpe efficient and to the point... ohh ya you know im awesome, (joke) Do you find this valuable? |
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JasonRedfield |
9. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 7:15 AM EDT
"i see in this thread that the only 2 choices are gun OR bow, why not gun AND bow, i mean really.The problem with that strategy is that a pistol probably wouldn't cut it as your only firearm. You really need a long gun. And carrying a long gun/assault weapon as well as a bow suddenly seems less awesome. Just my opinion. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MarkAce |
10. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 7:48 AM EDT
Never use a bow, especially those crossbows. It takes a lot of skill to manage a bow. Plus, yeah, it's reusable, but why would you remove an arrow lodged in some, say, a zombie?Use it as a last resort or you're just killing zombies in some camouflaged space. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Carnack |
11. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 8:03 AM EDT
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"Never use a bow, especially those crossbows. It takes a lot of skill to manage a bow. Plus, yeah, it's reusable, but why would you remove an arrow lodged in some, say, a zombie?It takes some skill to land a headshot with any real distance. Let me put it this way. If you know how to use a bow then if ever you NEED to use one you can. Do you find this valuable? |
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Noobzy |
12. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 11:05 AM EDT
"The problem with that strategy is that a pistol probably wouldn't cut it as your only firearm. You really need a long gun. And carrying a long gun/assault weapon as well as a bow suddenly seems less awesome.see the bow will take care of all your long range needs if you have to shoot long distances (requires alot of skill), and you are right that if you have a hunting bolt action rifle on your back with a bow, you just look like a pariniod geek. Do you find this valuable? |
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Waghte |
13. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 6:24 PM EDT
"see the bow will take care of all your long range needs if you have to shoot long distances (requires alot of skill), and you are right that if you have a hunting bolt action rifle on your back with a bow, you just look like a pariniod geek."Actually, I need to correct you now that I've started to learn the bow, YES, it can be an Awesome long range weapon, expecially with scops etc, the force behind it can be as good as a bullet for range. The thing being, olympic archers only practice from 10 for 15 feet from their target, if they are accurate at that range, they are accurate at a longer range as well... its all boiling down to consistencey. But that kind of accuracy/consistency is just like what you need to learn with a long arm. Do you find this valuable? |
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Waghte |
14. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 6:25 PM EDT
I have a new take on it. I think a bow will remain my first choice, but a gun sidearm would be a good "quick" escape plan if I need to get away FAST and dont care if zeds go to that location when I'm not planning on being there in the next five minutes. But if I'm out in a building on a search and clear mission, I will take the quiet approach first.
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ALMostFoul |
15. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 6:37 PM EDT
Has anyone here bowhunted before. I tried bowhunting while I was in college. I went to school in the middle of deer country, so you have to try it. I will tell you one thing about bows, you must practice practice practice to get good with them. 70 yrds Max for any real accuracy. That is with a compound bow too. Why do you think I went back to my 7mm. You can hit broadsides pretty good at 70 yrds. What you guys are talking about is getting them in the eye. Most arrows would glance off a forehead, unless hit dead on. Sure there are shots you could get to make skull penetration. But if a zombie sees you or can smell you, all you'll have is a head-on shot. So good luck with getting them in the eye.
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Waghte |
16. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 6:54 PM EDT
"Has anyone here bowhunted before. I tried bowhunting while I was in college. I went to school in the middle of deer country, so you have to try it. I will tell you one thing about bows, you must practice practice practice to get good with them. 70 yrds Max for any real accuracy. That is with a compound bow too. Why do you think I went back to my 7mm. You can hit broadsides pretty good at 70 yrds. What you guys are talking about is getting them in the eye. Most arrows would glance off a forehead, unless hit dead on. Sure there are shots you could get to make skull penetration. But if a zombie sees you or can smell you, all you'll have is a head-on shot. So good luck with getting them in the eye."Thats just a negative negative negative post that was a waste of time to read. Rather than try to discredit my personal choices by saying how difficult it is, explain more pros about your own choice... And try without sarcasm. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ALMostFoul |
17. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 7:03 PM EDT
I'm sorry, but we know alot of what makes guns work for us. That subject has been covered several hundred times in this group. I'm not saying that I don't like your choice of weapons. All I am saying is that I have practicle expirience with a bow, heck I own one. If time and suprise are on your side then yes, a bow is a good silent way to take out a zombie. That is how you have to bowhunt anyways. Sights on compounds are pretty good. So if you are used to it, I bet you knock out an eye from 40 yrds. But I'm not throwing zombie piss on me for cover. OK , no more sarcasam.
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18. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 8:05 PM EDT
"So if you are used to it, I bet you knock out an eye from 40 yrds."This can be true, but with a good pistol you can put an entire magazine through that same eye. (not teasing you ALMostFoul) I have to laugh at this, especially after looking at the "being cool vs survival thread" No matter how good you are with a bow, its limited to an effective kill range of about 100 meters. Sure the arrow will go substantially further, but realistically the furthest a person is going to score a hit is at 100 meters. Contrast this to the .308 which makes it out to 800 yards very easily. Arrows are bulky, bullets are small and light. Sure you can reuse arrows, but are you really going to spend alot of time looking for that arrow in a dangerous situation? Also think about how many arrows you can carry? how quickly can you accurately fire arrows? I mean in the days of black powder rifles Benjamin Franklin quoted the bow as a superior weapon to firearms simply because the reload time for rifles was horrendous, in the 21st century that isn't an issue. the Last thing i'll talk about is impact force. For the sake of keeping this easy we'll say that the max speed on an arrow is 300 feet per second, and the max weight is 600 grains. compare that to a 175 grain bullet traveling at 2600 fps, there's no contest. while the arrow weighs almost 3 1/2 times as much the bullet is traveling 8 times as fast. you are comparing roughly 100 ft/lbs of energy to 1500 ft/lbs and yes bows are silent, but thats what pvc and steel wool are for. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Bows vs Guns
Mar 18 2009, 9:52 PM EDT
I think the question can be adequately answered by simply engaging in a little thought experiment.Pretend you are part of a group of 100 individuals who are adept with both bows and rifles. We'll divide you up into 2 groups of 50 ... one group with bows, the other with rifles. Now we'll line you up 100 yards apart and you go to war. Which side do you want to be on, and why? 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
