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ViolentKisses |
Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 2:31 PM EDT
I know I'll prolly get laughed at here for such an absurd idea but...In the movies/Myth/Army legend everyones seen or heard of a bad wound being cauterized with some extreme method or another. Soo what I'd like to know is if a semi severe laceration that just wont stop bleeding could be treated by emptying a rifle cartridge and pouring the powder in the wound and lighting it to cauterize the wound. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?
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3DayAsylum |
1. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 2:51 PM EDT
*inhales*... ... That's insane. Do you find this valuable? |
humanroach |
2. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 2:53 PM EDT
"*inhales*its from a clint eastwood movie "two mules for sister sarah" looks crazy in the movie Do you find this valuable? |
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3DayAsylum |
3. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 3:00 PM EDT
"its from a clint eastwood movie "two mules for sister sarah"If it happens in Hollywood, I'd recommend not trying it in real life. Do you find this valuable? |
slaughterhouse5 |
4. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 3:30 PM EDT
I just consulted my laptop's dictionary, and you can "cauterize" a growth or wound with hot metal, chemicals and/or lasers. Thinking about it, would I rather prefer that or amputation?
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SkipNChurch |
5. Works? Yes..
Apr 19 2009, 3:31 PM EDT
"I know I'll prolly get laughed at here for such an absurd idea but...Effective? No. You trade option of several methods of stopping blood flow for insurance of burn, infection, and deep tissue injury that will eventually take further medical treatment. *IF* you are dealing with chest injuries, "center mass", simply sealing an exterior bleed does little. In turn if you are working on extremities, tourniquet may be your better bet. Tournie does insure than person will most likely loose that part of limb below the tied part.. BUT they wont have a deep skin and muscle burn from filthy gunpowder that is now encased and burned deep into their skin and muscle. Will admit while overseas seen results of this done on a "gentleman" that we caught who was of interest to uSGOV. He lived, and the hole in his thigh, 7.62 sized entry, open enough on back I sewed him up and used tons of compression; was lightly sprinkled with gunpowder by our "native guide" and lit. Did a decent job. Our unwilling guest was tough, didn't scream nor cry out. Blood quit, and with careful descending to exit craft, he needed just one liter of NS to stay viable. Medical warstories aside, I'd not suggest the practice. SnC *BooshDoktariDeluxe* Do you find this valuable? |
cj1977 |
6. RE: Works? Yes..
Apr 19 2009, 3:41 PM EDT
"Effective? No.So you saved the guy? Good job. Medical people are god sent during a major catastrophic event. Do you find this valuable? |
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Flashlight50 |
7. RE: Works? Yes..
Apr 19 2009, 5:05 PM EDT
The best way would be to suture the wound (sew it up), purchase some inexpensive suture kits, or some good sharp curved needles, and thin fishing line. You can get directions for suturing on the net. Then practice on a pealed banana peal. Any thing deep (3+ inches) to the trunk (chest, stomach or back) with out a doctor or well trained medical person, and equipment your going to be pretty much out of luck (80% =death). Do you find this valuable? |
Ghost-5145 |
8. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 10:00 PM EDT
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"I know I'll prolly get laughed at here for such an absurd idea but...its about as good of an idea as just plain amputation. if its a good wound, it might have chopped your nerves and disabled the arm/ leg/ligament and doing that might as well be putting a small bag of salt into too(even if you cant feel it). plus gunpowder can be kinda violent... Do you find this valuable? |
inu-dude25 |
9. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 10:27 PM EDT
No it isn't, gun powder is actually very well refined and predictable, thus the reason it has replaced traditional black powder, which burned at a more unpredictable rate. If anything, use a torch of some kind if you need to caulterize a wound. For example, in my engines class, a kid dropped a piece of molten slag and it went right through his shoe and into his foot. But the metal was so damn hot that it didn't bleed at all and it didn't develop any irritation.
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3DayAsylum |
10. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 10:36 PM EDT
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If I were to do anything for a bullet wound, I would take the bullet out, grab a piece of rebar/something of the sort, place the rebar in a fire/furnace/heater until hot, and insert the rebar, instantly taking it out, after inserted.Of course, that would be as risky as ****, but so would the gunpowder idea. Do you find this valuable? |
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inu-dude25 |
11. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 10:39 PM EDT
That actually sounds like it would work, though personally if someone did that to me I'd be tempted to grab the said glowing rebar and stick in their eye.
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3DayAsylum |
12. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 11:11 PM EDT
COMMON SENSE:Do not try to help someone without explaining to them what you are about to do. And why you will do it. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Flashlight50 |
13. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 11:26 PM EDT
You would pass out from the pain of the heated rebar. If your by your self and try to do it your self you had better be in a truly safe place.
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inu-dude25 |
14. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 19 2009, 11:30 PM EDT
Yeah, the whole thing sounds absolutely excrutaiting.
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DevilNuts |
15. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 20 2009, 5:55 AM EDT
I've seen the gunpowder cauterization story several times before. From what I gather, it does work but leaves you susceptible to infection (very very bad in a world with no hospitals). Pressure dressing, tourniquets, quickclot will all do nicely. Superglue is also pretty handy, if the wound is not arterial. Do you find this valuable? |
necroslaughter |
16. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 20 2009, 9:45 AM EDT
"I know I'll prolly get laughed at here for such an absurd idea but...Surgeons use a scalpel that cauterizes as it cuts all the time. I don’t know if I would use gun powder probably a super hot knife and only as a LAST resort. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
timberrattler |
17. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 20 2009, 1:05 PM EDT
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"I've seen the gunpowder cauterization story several times before. From what I gather, it does work but leaves you susceptible to infection (very very bad in a world with no hospitals).Is quickclot some form of powder? I saw a vet save a horse who had gotten tangled up in constantine wire with a white powder he kept in his saddlebag just in case. The big geldings life was pumping out fast and the stuff he used turned the spigot off in no time. He had it in a ziploc bag and when I asked him what it was he said, "Old veternarian secret". Yeah, I really wanted to slap him. Just wondering if quickclot is the answer to an old question. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Mattwillsurvive |
18. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 20 2009, 1:11 PM EDT
"Is quickclot some form of powder? I saw a vet save a horse who had gotten tangled up in constantine wire with a white powder he kept in his saddlebag just in case. The big geldings life was pumping out fast and the stuff he used turned the spigot off in no time. He had it in a ziplock bag and when I asked him what it was he said, "Old veternarian secret". Yeah, I really wanted to slap him. Just wondering if quickclot is the answer to an old question."Yep that is it! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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inu-dude25 |
19. RE: Won't Stop Bleeding?
Apr 20 2009, 3:41 PM EDT
Is that safe for humans? If so, that would be a good commodity.
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