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Anton2121 |
Here's the problem.
Apr 22 2009, 10:41 PM EDT
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If Marshal law was declared, and we tried to leave San Francisco bay in the hornet, then we could possibly be bombed by military aircraft trying to keep the infection contained on the mainland. We could either wait, or leave under the cover of night. I vote we set everything up with the Hornet, attach the tow ropes, etc. and then wait till late night, then we get the hell out of there. What do you think? Or post ideas other than these on this thread.
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MajorDamage |
1. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 22 2009, 10:50 PM EDT
Exactly how does a decommissioned floating museum have current anti-air capabilities?
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humanroach |
2. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 22 2009, 10:57 PM EDT
"If Marshal law was declared, and we tried to leave San Francisco bay in the hornet, then we could possibly be bombed by military aircraft trying to keep the infection contained on the mainland. We could either wait, utilize the Hornets anti-aircraft capabilities if this happens, or leave under the cover of night. I vote we set everything up with the Hornet, attach the tow ropes, etc. and then wait till late night, then we get the hell out of there. What do you think? Or post ideas other than these on this thread.if there is MARTIAL law you will have a tough time getting anywhere. in martial law they will try to seize any firearms. they will probably have any bombable bridges and roads destroyed before you think to leave. Do you find this valuable? |
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livingdeadman |
3. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 23 2009, 12:05 AM EDT
Since it's a museum it's doubtful that there is any fuel left in the tanks. Do you have a trained crew that can actually operate an air craft carrier? You aren't likely to find any live ammo laying around for her guns either. Firing on military aircraft will likely get you very dead. Can any members of your group actually plot a course from California to where ever it is you are going? Guessing won't cut it when you are talking about vast stretches of open water. Even being off by a couple of degrees can mean you will miss your target by a couple hundred miles or more. Ever watch the really big ships come in or go out? Wonder why they use tug boats to move them around? It's because those ships are just too darn big to operate on their own in the confined space of a harbor. If you have a trained crew, if the engines still operate, if there's still fuel in the tanks, you will still likely just run her aground before getting out of the harbor. Perhaps it would be best to call the museum now and ask a few questions. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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whtwlf |
4. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 23 2009, 1:23 AM EDT
Thanks for the constructive criticism.“if there is MARTIAL law you will have a tough time getting anywhere. in martial law they will try to seize any firearms. they will probably have any bombable bridges and roads destroyed before you think to leave.” They would have to be really observant and realize that there is an outbreak in progress before the military does. Other wise they’ll have a hell of a time getting there. “Since it's a museum it's doubtful that there is any fuel left in the tanks. Do you have a trained crew that can actually operate an air craft carrier?” They might have some luck getting fuel from local marinas. And I’m not sure about the crewman. “You aren't likely to find any live ammo laying around for her guns either. Firing on military aircraft will likely get you very dead.” Agreed. “Can any members of your group actually plot a course from California to where ever it is you are going? Guessing won't cut it when you are talking about vast stretches of open water. Even being off by a couple of degrees can mean you will miss your target by a couple hundred miles or more.” Bringing a boat GPS is a necessity seeing as most WWII era ships aren’t outfitted with GPS technology. “Ever watch the really big ships come in or go out? Wonder why they use tug boats to move them around? It's because those ships are just too darn big to operate on their own in the confined space of a harbor. If you have a trained crew, if the engines still operate, if there's still fuel in the tanks, you will still likely just run her aground before getting out of the harbor. Perhaps it would be best to call the museum now and ask a few questions.” I believe he posted earlier that they would actually be using tug boats to move the carrier to the bay. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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inu-dude25 |
5. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 23 2009, 3:56 PM EDT
"If Marshal law was declared, and we tried to leave San Francisco bay in the hornet, then we could possibly be bombed by military aircraft trying to keep the infection contained on the mainland. We could either wait, utilize the Hornets anti-aircraft capabilities if this happens, or leave under the cover of night. I vote we set everything up with the Hornet, attach the tow ropes, etc. and then wait till late night, then we get the hell out of there. What do you think? Or post ideas other than these on this thread."They do have infrared cameras you know. Traveling at night would just be going into their world, and good luck targeting military aircraft with a deactivated anti-air weapon. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anton2121 |
6. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 6:55 PM EDT
Ok, first off, wow. Do you people have to put everything down? Anyway to answer your questions. 1. There's NO WAY they would realize the danger and incite martial law before we realize it's the infected. 2. I admit, the anti-aircraft thing was a dumb idea, just forget that. 3. I NEVER said that the Hornet was going to be running on it's own engines. They are disabled, that's why we're going to use tugboats to tow it. I've already stated this so COME ON! 4. I know multiple people experienced in ocean navigation, 3 of which are coming with me. 5. You're all forgetting that by the time we get there everything will be in disarray. No one is going to be watching the coast with night vision! 6. I don't need a crew that knows how to operate an AC because we're not bringing it fully online, we're simply using it as transport by towing it. Nothing else. Although we will utilize the mess hall, med area, berthing, & brig areas of it. And it's electricity is provided by electric generators. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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livingdeadman |
7. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 7:36 PM EDT
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Here's the real problem:1. Not all of us have read every post you have made on this matter. Most of us are going by what you originally posted here and the page it is linked to. Neither spoke of tug boats or the abilities of the members of your group. We went by what we had to work with. If there's no way they would realize the danger and incite martial law before your plan could be put into action then why ask about it in the first place? Why bother towing an old aircraft carrier in the first place? Will you have so many people with you that the tugs couldn't hold them? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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humanroach |
8. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 7:40 PM EDT
well when the navy decommisions a ship for anything, in this situation its a museum, they disable the ship. it will take weeks for the navy to have it sea ready. how long could it take you all by yourself and untrained?
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inu-dude25 |
9. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 7:53 PM EDT
"Ok, first off, wow. Do you people have to put everything down? Anyway to answer your questions.We're not trying to put you down, but you throw out a fantastical plan without even completly explaining it, and you expect people not to be critical. And really, if anything ever did happen the criticism of your plan could save your life. And BTW, don't rely on the Coast Guard magically falling apart while you spring into action and hijack a decommisioned war vessel out from under their noses. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anton2121 |
10. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 9:37 PM EDT
"well when the navy decommisions a ship for anything, in this situation its a museum, they disable the ship. it will take weeks for the navy to have it sea ready. how long could it take you all by yourself and untrained?"That's why we have the tugs. I never said we were going to fix it. And who said the navy would try to fix it? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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inu-dude25 |
11. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
He's saying it would take the Navy weeks to bring it back to sea-ready status, and they built the ship and maintain it.
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humanroach |
12. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 9:41 PM EDT
"That's why we have the tugs. I never said we were going to fix it. And who said the navy would try to fix it?"why would you want to tugg it out to sea? you have the tug boats. the end Do you find this valuable? |
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Anton2121 |
13. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 9:43 PM EDT
"We're not trying to put you down, but you throw out a fantastical plan without even completly explaining it, and you expect people not to be critical. And really, if anything ever did happen the criticism of your plan could save your life. And BTW, don't rely on the Coast Guard magically falling apart while you spring into action and hijack a decommisioned war vessel out from under their noses."Yeah, sorry. I get defensive. And it's not that I think they'll fall apart, I just feel they'll have bigger issues (most likely elsewhere too) to deal with than us. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anton2121 |
15. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 10:04 PM EDT
"Why would you want to tugg it out to sea? You have the tug boats. The end"Because wouldn't you agree an AC is more defensible than an island or some such other means of inhabitance? What can get you when the only entrance is 50 feet above the water? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anton2121 |
16. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 10:06 PM EDT
"He's saying it would take the Navy weeks to bring it back to sea-ready status, and they built the ship and maintain it."Oh, but it is from WW2, I just sorta doubted they would want it until they got desperate, and by then we (and the ship) would be long gone. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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inu-dude25 |
17. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 10:30 PM EDT
He meant that getting it running again would be an almost impossible task.
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Anton2121 |
18. RE: Here's the problem.
Apr 27 2009, 10:35 PM EDT
"He meant that getting it running again would be an almost impossible task."Yeah, but I don't want to get it running again. Although that may be a long-term goal. But like you said, nearly impossible. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |