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Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 2:31 AM EDT
While planning what to take with you is essential, you also know that you will want some sort of weapon, and most agree that the best weapon is some form of gun; it's ranged, powerful, and doesn't use energy. But what guns are the best? With so much to choose from out there, it's easy to get something that you think will do, only to find out it lets you down. So... ill start with what guns i would take and of course why.1. Handgun: if i said that there was one handgun everyone should have in case of a zombie apocalypse, i would be lying. but there are certain things to look for in a handgun. you want something that is relatively powerful, please no .22lr, simply wont do much. i would go for something with high capacity, like a FiveseveN (though im not sure it would stop a zombie in its tracks with its 5.7mm cartridge), and with decent stopping power (think .40 S&W or .50 ACP), and you want something that is easy to maintain. so i would go with a Kimber or ParaOrdnance 1911 in 40S&W instead of .50ACP due to weight of ammo, (with hi cap mags) and a FiveseveN chambered in 5.7mm with upgraded 30rd mags. I also recommend glocks (easy to find replacement parts, easy to handle, easy to maintain, etc) or sig sauer P226 (or most sigs), but really, its up to you. 2. Rifle: this is your main weapon, so you want something that is easy to use, has decent range and accuracy, and uses ammo that isnt heavy. I like the AR15 platform (im american, so im biased), but anything chambered in 5.56 NATO, 6.8 SPC, or 6.5 Grendel should work. .30cal weapons (like the AK, the m14, etc.) are great weapons, but i dont like the weight of the gun and the ammo, so i wouldnt use them (but some people dont mind, so its up to you). you also want something that is either easy to maintain or maintenance-free. while they are expensive and hard to find, HK 416s are excellent - weapon of choice if i could have anything. or an FN SCAR-L. continued below. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?
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byeaddison |
1. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 2:36 AM EDT
another thing to remember with rifles is that you want something short enough to maneuver in close quarters.3. Shotguns: i dont like shotguns, they are powerful but not accurate, so its hard to take down a zombie with them. but if you absolutely have to have one, go with pump action; semiautos are too complicated and are touchy when it comes to ammo, and double barreled shotguns, while being oldschool and absolutely awesome, dont have the capacity that you will want when 10 zombies are charging you. Of course, this is all personal opinion and preference, if you like other stuff, let me know and let me know why :) 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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byeaddison |
2. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 3:43 AM EDT
and i screwed up... I meant .45ACP instead of 50ACP... sorry, wasnt thinking :)
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John_234 |
3. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 4:31 AM EDT
There is an edit feature if you want to correct that.Sorry to pick apart your post, but: 1. The 5.7 is a nice sidearm, but 5.7mm rounds aren't too common. Same with the 6mil rounds. 2. .45 ACP won't necessarily stop someone instantly. To do that, you're talking 50 BMG and up. 3. Glocks are reliable, but the only real option to repair them, or to do any kind of work really, is to send them to a Glock tech or the factory itself. The polymer frame does not lend itself well to tinkeing. 4. Weight is a valid concern, However, the extra punch of the 30 cal rounds is useful against raiders or rager zombies, both very likely challenges. 5.How do you define accurate? With the right load, you can reach out to about 100 yards with shot, further with slugs. 6.Semi auto shotguns are no more complicated then semi rifles and pistols. Gas operated weapons can take the greatest variety of ammo, but require more maintenence. Like I said though, no more then your average gas op rifle. Recoil operated shotguns need full power ammo to cycle properly, but need comparitively little maintenence. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 11:39 AM EDT
| Post edited: Apr 29 2009, 11:41 AM EDT
"another thing to remember with rifles is that you want something short enough to maneuver in close quarters.what do u mean not accurate? just because shot from a shotgun shell spreads doesnt mean they're inaccurate. plus with a slug u should easily be able to do 100-110 yards. EDIT:did not see john already adressed the part about shotguns 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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byeaddison |
5. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 2:56 PM EDT
Thanks for picking it apart, it makes it easier to argue stuff :)ok, here it goes... 1. That would be one of two concerns about the 5.7 (the other being stopping power. the lovely thing about it though is that, if you had stockpiled rounds, you would be able to carry so many on you that you wouldnt need to worry about running out if you returned to your stockpile regularly... but that isnt realistic, so i would agree with you on that. same with SPC and Grendel rounds, although hopefully they will become more common, especially since the military might switch to one of them (any opinions on which one is better?). 2. While there are bigger rounds than a .45, the 45 ACP is thought to be a good stopping round... not as good as a .50 cal or .44 mag, but its definitely up there, especially for auto pistols. but its heavy to carry around, and its got too much kick for me to be able to rapidly recover and put another round downrange, so i would rather go with a .40S&W. 3. I agree with you concerning the glocks, they arent easy to repair... but they are easy to maintain, so that would be a plus. 4. I think that .30 cal has immense stopping power, but i would rather have twice the ammo. really it comes down to what you want; i would prefer the middle ground (hence SPC) but since that isnt realistic yet, i would go with the 5.56 because of the ammo carrying capacity. I simply think the .30cal is too heavy. But, of course, if you arent always on the move, it would be a logical choice. 5. Shotguns can be decently accurate, but i still dont like them and here is why: shells are heavy and take up lots of space, they arent as flexible as rifles (a good shot can take out a target at a range of 350m-1m, whereas a shotgun at best can get up to 100-120m), so i would say maybe a good choice as a specialty weapon, one per group of 4-5, but i wouldnt have every one carry it. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 2:58 PM EDT
and 6. Im not saying that semiautos are more complicated than rifles, im just saying that compared to pumpaction, they are overly complicated. sure, some are more touchy than others, but i would rather go with a pump action: dependable, simple, and powerful. Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 3:55 PM EDT
With that argument, why not just a single barrel breakaway? Or a good ol' muzzle loader, they're simpler, right?
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byeaddison |
8. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 4:50 PM EDT
All im saying is that semiautos are unnecessarily complex: a muzzle loader is simple, but slow; a pumpaction is still pretty fast, but less parts. thats all im saying.
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inu-dude25 |
9. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 4:55 PM EDT
Ugh, I've got a Ruger 10/22 and I've yet to have a single jam, it's not a shotgun but still a semi-auto. I mean, I like pump-actions too, but semi-auto is just an evolution of the pump-action. And if something critical breaks, are you going to be able to fix either of them?
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dakkadakka |
10. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 4:57 PM EDT
1) 7mm semi auto rifle /scope2) benelli(sp) 12g m4 super 90 tact shotgun. forgrip/ flashlight. red-dot sights. slugs/sabbot slugs/ heavy game shot 3).45 Winchester Magnum-laser grip Do you find this valuable? |
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dakkadakka |
12. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 5:06 PM EDT
the sabbot or the normal slugs? both either way
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byeaddison |
13. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 8:13 PM EDT
"Ugh, I've got a Ruger 10/22 and I've yet to have a single jam, it's not a shotgun but still a semi-auto. I mean, I like pump-actions too, but semi-auto is just an evolution of the pump-action. And if something critical breaks, are you going to be able to fix either of them?"As for reliability, I am pretty sure that pump action are both more basic and more reliable... i do like the convenience of semi autos, but i still think i would go with a benelli m4 with collapsible stock... also, i dont have any personal experience to back this up, but just because a semi auto rifle doesnt jam, that doesnt mean that semiauto shotguns (or other semiauto rifles, for that matter) wont jam. I think the difference between semiauto and pump is similar to the difference between semiauto handguns and revolvers: semiautos are a little more complicated, slightly less reliable, but faster and easier to reload. Do you find this valuable? |
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inu-dude25 |
14. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 8:23 PM EDT
Not true, it all depends on the manufacturer and that weapon. I've got an H&K USP 40, and I've yet to jam it. I shot six different USP's and USP Compacts before that (rentals, mind you, which are treated like shit and never cleaned properly) and not one of them ever jammed. I don't think you can get more reliable than that. And as for Benelli, their product is excellent, I'm sure with a bit of basic care the semi-auto would be just as reliable as a pump. And most issues are jams where the empty shell casing doesn't get ejected, which means that the insides are getting a carbon buildup and the tolerances are too tight for the casings to get ejected smoothly. That is universal to any firearm, and just requires cleaning to avoid and/or cure.
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Shawnzx |
15. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 8:24 PM EDT
Personally, caliber is not as importat to me as capacity. I woul rather have a 30 round .22 than a single shot 12 gauge. because power is less important than repetition. For example, at a gym, you aren't supposed to load up 1000 pounds and do one lift. you are supposed to do it repeatedly. If you shoot a vital organ, the caliber has no effect on the dealiness. however, Due to my belief that rage zombies are more likely, I would be taking my 5.56x45mm bushmaster carbine. it has decent kill power, ammunition is light, and it is pretty accurate. I also have alot of ammo for it, 240 rounds worth of clips, and each holds 30 rounds. I think It would be decent till ammo dries up.
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17. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 9:56 PM EDT
I see your point about the rage zombies. They are more likely because the virus will just affect the brains ability to make judgements. A Bushmaster has good killing power and accuracy but I heard it requires a special magazine. I also believe a rage zombies is just as ignorant as a regular, slow-moving zombie except for the fact that they can run, jump, climb, and they can die just like regular person. I figure they are just slightly smarter then regs, but they are just as stupid as regs to trick and deceive. They are more effective hunters, but that right there is their flaw. They kill and eat whatever they can. And because of that we should be able to kill them and survive this apocolypse.
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John_234 |
18. RE: Weapons
Apr 29 2009, 11:45 PM EDT
I understand the caliber point, I was just stating that you should never assume any handgun will stop a target instantly.Reloading isn't influenced by action type. A tube magazine for a rem 870 will not load any slower then the tube mag on are on rem 1100. My point was that being a shotgun doesn't mean that semi automatic action is going to have any more disadvantages then any other semi auto rifle, pistol, anything. Shotguns are among the most flexible weapons. They make ammo for most any situation, from light shot for small game, to buck for combat and large game, to single piece slugs for long range engagement and penetration. On top of that, there are a variety of specialty rounds, breach rounds, taser shells, flares, even flamethrower rounds. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Weapons
Apr 30 2009, 12:19 AM EDT
I'm partial to the Kriss Super V personally. .45 ACP rounds on a highly accurate platform. Other than that. For Handguns: S&W M&P 40, fantastic .40 S&W handgun with a 15 round clip. Excellent for dropping Human or Zombie at up to 100 yards. S&W Model 327 TRR 8; an 8 shot .357 Magnum. Can you say, home defense? Glock 22, another 15 round .40 S&W caliber handgun. Excellent all around. As for Automatic Rifles. both the FN 2000 and FN SCAR, hell even the FN P-90. I like FN Herstal lol. The Springfield M1A Rifle, excellent .308 tactical rifle. and at least one .30-06 sniper rifle. Do you find this valuable? |
