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s1creamer |
Thoughts on CPR
May 12 2009, 11:53 PM EDT
ASHI for the professional and Red Cross for the volunteer have both recently *past year or so) made some changes to their protocol for CPR. Mainly a shift in the number of breaths to compressions, with less compressions, and the same ratio wether its double or single person CPR. IF you're training is a bit outdated consider a refresher. That being said, anyone that actually needs CPR and not just rescue breathing is already dead, i e no heartbeat no breathing so even if you do it the "wrong" older way you're not gonna hurt anything. Since the point of CPR is to keep oxygen to the brain of dead folk till a crash cart or someone with some serious medical skills arrives, I fear that A)the dude you're CPRing is likely to zombify if its a dead rising kind of zombie outbreak and B) in a true shit hits the fan scenario, hospitals and advanced medical may not be possible so CPR may not be relevant. That being said, statistically everyone with a loved one over 55 ought to learn CPR now anyway for use until the dead start to rise.
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usmcfr888 |
1. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 12 2009, 11:55 PM EDT
"ASHI for the professional and Red Cross for the volunteer have both recently *past year or so) made some changes to their protocol for CPR. Mainly a shift in the number of breaths to compressions, with less compressions, and the same ratio wether its double or single person CPR. IF you're training is a bit outdated consider a refresher. That being said, anyone that actually needs CPR and not just rescue breathing is already dead, i e no heartbeat no breathing so even if you do it the "wrong" older way you're not gonna hurt anything. Since the point of CPR is to keep oxygen to the brain of dead folk till a crash cart or someone with some serious medical skills arrives, I fear that A)the dude you're CPRing is likely to zombify if its a dead rising kind of zombie outbreak and B) in a true shit hits the fan scenario, hospitals and advanced medical may not be possible so CPR may not be relevant. That being said, statistically everyone with a loved one over 55 ought to learn CPR now anyway for use until the dead start to rise."Learned this stuff in bootcamp, it seems to work for united states marines all throughout their many years of combat, but it wouldnt hurt to take a refresher. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
2. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 12 2009, 11:56 PM EDT
I personally think you should learn CPR regardless of zombies ever happening or not.
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necroslaughter |
3. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 13 2009, 9:05 AM EDT
"ASHI for the professional and Red Cross for the volunteer have both recently *past year or so) made some changes to their protocol for CPR. Mainly a shift in the number of breaths to compressions, with less compressions, and the same ratio wether its double or single person CPR. IF you're training is a bit outdated consider a refresher. That being said, anyone that actually needs CPR and not just rescue breathing is already dead, i e no heartbeat no breathing so even if you do it the "wrong" older way you're not gonna hurt anything. Since the point of CPR is to keep oxygen to the brain of dead folk till a crash cart or someone with some serious medical skills arrives, I fear that A)the dude you're CPRing is likely to zombify if its a dead rising kind of zombie outbreak and B) in a true shit hits the fan scenario, hospitals and advanced medical may not be possible so CPR may not be relevant. That being said, statistically everyone with a loved one over 55 ought to learn CPR now anyway for use until the dead start to rise."I thought they just came out with an update that stopped the breathing part of CPR. No matter as at home my wife knows it for some weird reason she has to take it for work-all state employees do-given that she is a state’s ADA I don’t think she would jump in to help some scumbag she had on trial and as for me well anytime a professor touches a student, especially a female he opens himself to a huge harassment suit so I’ll call 911 but that’s it for me. One less mid-term to grade. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
4. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 13 2009, 9:34 PM EDT
"One less mid-term to grade."WIN. Do you find this valuable? |
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s1creamer |
5. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 14 2009, 1:07 AM EDT
"Learned this stuff in bootcamp, it seems to work for united states marines all throughout their many years of combat, but it wouldnt hurt to take a refresher."keep in mind the stuff you learn in boot camp (firstaid wise anyway) is for a specialized environment. They focus on sucking chest wounds and ignore a flail chest, because thats the kindof trauma more likely to be induced by combat, conversely in the civilian world trauma is usually a result of motor vehicle accidents and the reverse is true. I know for a fact that army bootcamp, and I'm assuming marines as well, focus on assessing trauma while waiting for a medic/corpsman to arrive. The functional value of a tourniquet anywhere but a firefight is basically nil, and what the military teaches you about assessing spinal injuries is about as useful as tits on a boar hog. Not saying the medical training as a whole is worthless, its better than nothing, but if you don't supplement that training with reading on your own or civilian classes, don't assume you are prepared for anything first aid wise just because you got certified as a combat life saver. Of course if you're MOS is actually medic 91w? or something I can't remember, then disregard what I just said you're training in AIT was all kinds of usefull in civilian land. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
6. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 14 2009, 6:46 AM EDT
No, in USMC boot it's pretty basic and somewhat rushed.
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CyprusBill |
7. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 14 2009, 9:55 AM EDT
"I thought they just came out with an update that stopped the breathing part of CPR. "That's pretty true. Giving breaths helps, but circulating the blood as best you can aught to be sufficient, in the short term at least. Also consider this: are you going to put your mouth on a stranger's mouth? Not knowing what god-awful kinds of diseases this person has. Not me, and I'm an EMT. Dude falls out in front of me and I don't have some kind of barrier device? Sucks to be him. Do you find this valuable? |
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s1creamer |
8. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 14 2009, 2:26 PM EDT
"you can get a disposable mask for about a dollar that just goes on your keychain. They have nicer ones with a one way valve, for a little bit more, but the cheap one with the little plastic flap folds up real small and can be had for a buck or two off the internet. I carry one and recommend it to anyone with CPR certification. I might decide not to use it depending on who falls out in front of me, but I'd like the option. I'd feel obliged to help a little kid, or somebody's granny, but they are almost as likely to be carrying something I'd rather not catch. Its nice to have the option and only costs a few dollars. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
9. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 14 2009, 10:52 PM EDT
s1creamer has a good point, breath masks are cheap and compact.You can also try artificial respiration. In some cases, like someone pulled from water, that works better. Do you find this valuable? |
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davidblack9071 |
10. RE: Thoughts on CPR
May 17 2010, 1:39 PM EDT
"The functional value of a tourniquet anywhere but a firefight is basically nil.I would like to call ******** on this one. A tourniquet is a LIFESAVER. It is being taught in Civilian EMT courses now. A Tourniquet is essential for stopping massive hemorage. Another ******** call. I had a bunch of Infantry guys and a bunch of Firefighters get a C-spine patient on to a spine board. Guess which one did it better? Infantry. The CLS classes now teach them how to move C-spine patients. Hooah! I am not calling BS to put you down. It is important you know this stuff should you have to rely on it. If you want to know more about any of the things I have called BS on then let me know. I will be happy to teach. Do you find this valuable? |