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EdOfTheDead |
Blackpowder Rifle
May 23 2009, 12:01 PM EDT
Does anyone besides me think having a "squirrel gun" is more practical than some other rifle.PROS You can make blackpowder at home You can make youre own lead round balls All you need for flintlocks is a peice of flint besides bullets and powder Accurate if barrel is rifled Practical But made of wood for club May come w/ bayonet lug Accurate CONS Hard to clean Fouls up easily Wont work if wet Hard to get caps post Z-Day Caps will corrode Takes long to reload Anything I missed? Feel-free to post 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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Whybother08 |
1. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 23 2009, 1:40 PM EDT
I think it would be a good weapon in a sparsely populated rural area as a base defense rifle. The reloading just wouldn't cut it in Suburbia or NYC.
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usmcfr888 |
2. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 23 2009, 2:42 PM EDT
"Does anyone besides me think having a "squirrel gun" is more practical than some other rifle.CON: Black powder is HIGHLY combustable Do you find this valuable? |
Thorn_of_kabolis |
3. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 6:09 PM EDT
why use that when if you could make your own black powder just put it in a cartrige and remember to clean you gun frequently
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taytayswims |
4. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 6:46 PM EDT
the main down side is the re-load time. if there are multiple zombies trying to break into your fortress and you need to take out 4 or 5 in a short amount of time, things can get pretty difficult.
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Kaikelx |
5. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 9:23 PM EDT
Unless it is well made (rifling correctly and in a good fashion is harder than it looks), the rifle will not be a good sniping weapon, no matter how well you shoot. There is a reason that they had their soldiers stand in box formations. The reason was so that ONE of them could hit something...
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inu-dude25 |
6. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 9:27 PM EDT
Box formations? As in surround the person from all sides and shoot towards the center? What is this, a Dick Cheney hunting strategy? :P
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Kaikelx |
7. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 9:32 PM EDT
*sigh*Box formation. Get your men into a roughly box-like shape, thereby ensuring that ONE of your guns would hit the target. Guns were very inaccurate way back when.... Do you find this valuable? |
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inu-dude25 |
8. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 9:34 PM EDT
Hit the target or the guy you're facing. Thoguh yes, the lack of rifling in older guns did make them horrificly inaccurate.
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Kaikelx |
9. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 26 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
Another tidbit. Make absolute sure that the ammo you make fits and fires out of the gun. It may seem silly, but the if you make the ball to small, well, bad things happen. If it is too big, then the obvious happens. Also, since you MUST add rifling to get a reasonable accuracy, practice firing and reloading your rifle. The added addition of rifling will cause you to have to literally jam your ball down into the gun, which is why main armies still used smoothbores for a while after true rifles were made. (To be perfectly clear, they kept smoothebores, if memory serves, because they had a greater rate of fire than the rifles.) However, like I said, I would only recommend this weapon for the occasional long range zack attack. Do you find this valuable? |
necroslaughter |
10. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 27 2009, 12:07 PM EDT
What is the advantage over a semi-auto or full auto weapon? The pro’s listed are compared to what? A blackpowder rifle is not as accurate as a modern (Bushmaster) AR, they are painfully slow to reload, and I am not sure making blackpowder and forming balls would be easier than reloading a modern round. As someone said, it would suck to fight off multiple attackers with a blackpowder weapon. It would make a good club but so does the stock of a Mossberg. My SP 101 doubles as a hammer when I am in a jam so there are other weapons both rifle and handgun that make good clubs. I know blackpowder has great stopping power, but what about the recoil, smoke, and fouling? I think you would be safer with a modern day weapon.
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Navsubet |
11. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 27 2009, 1:01 PM EDT
It really all depends on what kind of black powder weapon you are looking at, I have a 1861 model springfield .69, a 1860 Cattlemans .44 carbine, an 1858 confederate Navy .44 revolver, and a modern day Knight .50 muzzleloader. I would likely leave all of these at home if SHTF minus the knight and maybe, big maybe, the revolver (I love that weapon, so much fun to play with). The modern muzzle loader "black powder" rifles are just as accurate as your typical rifle, I hunt with mine every year, the large caliber is great for takedown. Cleaning and fowling are not nearly as big an issue as it is on the rest of black powders, since it uses a more modern powder. The newer powder smokes less as well. Any of the other above mentioned styles of black powder would be far far too heavy to lug, the powder is too fickle if it is to humid or wet out, and even the ones that have rifled barrels, the accuracy is not quite as good. I only have them all because I grew up in a family that did living histories and Civil War reenactments. All in all it really depends on what kind of black powder you are refering to.
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Navsubet |
12. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 27 2009, 1:09 PM EDT
"Hit the target or the guy you're facing. Thoguh yes, the lack of rifling in older guns did make them horrificly inaccurate."At some point I'll try to scan some of my old tagets that I shot with my 1861 Springfield and put em on here, it is a great illustration of just how inaccurate smoothbore muskets were, several of the miniballs (not actually round, but bullet shaped) would hit the target flat on their side and leave a perfect hole in the shape of the side view of a miniball. This is because miniballs don't really have uniform size, some slightly bigger, some slightly smaller (even when purchased from the same company), combine this with the lack of rifleing to spin the projectile, they often come out of the muzzle and begin tumbling end over end in flight.. Really funny to look at the target when this happens. Smoothbores are pretty much worthless, rifled eh ok, mordern rifled is the best choice in this catagory. Do you find this valuable? |
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necroslaughter |
13. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 27 2009, 1:15 PM EDT
"At some point I'll try to scan some of my old tagets that I shot with my 1861 Springfield and put em on here, it is a great illustration of just how inaccurate smoothbore muskets were, several of the miniballs (not actually round, but bullet shaped) would hit the target flat on their side and leave a perfect hole in the shape of the side view of a miniball. This is because miniballs don't really have uniform size, some slightly bigger, some slightly smaller (even when purchased from the same company), combine this with the lack of rifleing to spin the projectile, they often come out of the muzzle and begin tumbling end over end in flight.. Really funny to look at the target when this happens. Smoothbores are pretty much worthless, rifled eh ok, mordern rifled is the best choice in this catagory."It is like throwing a rock. Do you find this valuable? |
ironhand |
14. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
May 29 2009, 6:29 PM EDT
"What is the advantage over a semi-auto or full auto weapon? The pro’s listed are compared to what? A blackpowder rifle is not as accurate as a modern (Bushmaster) AR, they are painfully slow to reload, and I am not sure making blackpowder and forming balls would be easier than reloading a modern round. As someone said, it would suck to fight off multiple attackers with a blackpowder weapon. It would make a good club but so does the stock of a Mossberg. My SP 101 doubles as a hammer when I am in a jam so there are other weapons both rifle and handgun that make good clubs. I know blackpowder has great stopping power, but what about the recoil, smoke, and fouling? I think you would be safer with a modern day weapon."I agree, the blackpowder rifle would be okay to hunt with, but not for protection. I'd better MUCH better served by a modern weapon, even a single shot shotgun or rifle would be a better choice. With some practice even those can be useable. I use a Double Barrel Shotgun in Cowboy Action Shooting and it CAN be very fast when you spend the time practicing with it. I can fire (accurately) 10 rounds in 8 seconds from my DB when I'm in practice - and I'm NOT the fastest in my sport. I've seens guys do that in HALF my time. Any cartridge firing weapon (even using the blackpowder in the shells) would be much more "tactical" than a blackpowder weapon. Do you find this valuable? |
Diablo185 |
15. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
Jun 5 2009, 1:23 AM EDT
Umm...you mean a gun that shoot squirrels, literally...Or is it just a name. Cuz i think a gun shooting squirrels at bullet speed would be amazing. i want one. I wanna shoot squirrels at birds. And could I replace the squirrels with kittens? That would be amazing-er. Or maybe replace squirrels with piranahs. Or Sparrows.
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vwjoe84 |
17. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
Jun 12 2009, 9:41 PM EDT
blackpowder rifles are used more for hunting, what you'd be wanting is a musket. The rifles rifling makes driving the ball down harder and it usually takes a minute to load and pack down a conical round. During the civil war they had paper cartridges that contained the bullet and powder for quick loading. If you got the patience you can make these today with cigarette paper. I say you'd want a musket cause the smooth barrel usually allowed a well trained soldier to get 3 shots off in a minute. Plus you'd probably want a side arm as well. I've got several BP revolvers just in case. I figure if the z-day lasts for a couple of years manufactured ammunition will become scarce. BP can at least be made at home from local resources. The side arm(s) is your best bet if you get into a sticky encounter. Whip out the colt walker you got 6 shots there and if need be carry a sword. haha
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John_234 |
18. RE: Blackpowder Rifle
Jun 13 2009, 12:37 AM EDT
Rifled muskets are hell lot more accurate.Admittedly, molding minie ball would be a pain in the arse though. Do you find this valuable? |
