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scourtien	Work it in Jun 2 2009, 7:35 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 7:35 PM EDT I have a 18 month old fact is I'm not going to leave her behind or anything else like that. She has been worked into my plan and my plan revolves around her. After all what is the point of surviving without the possibility of a future. Instict takes over as well and anyone that doesn't have the instict to try to save an inocent child is sick. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
Thorn_of_kabolis	1. RE: Work it in Jun 3 2009, 1:47 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 1:47 AM EDT babies would be good in an a post z-day world cause they could be trained into any profession. unlike some people who have to do it there own way Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RoseannMcCabe	2. RE: Work it in Monday, 7:20 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 7:20 AM EDT As amother of 2 already, i simply could not consider having another child in a post z-apoc world. For myself personally the stress of surviving day to day could greatly increase the possibility of miscarriage, and in such a wolrd medical aid would not be as readily available so there is risk of infection caused by miscarriage. Also if the pregnancy did continue healthily to term, the added weight over time would restrict my ability to forage, travel, hide etc and when time came for the birth, without medical aid again, there would be greater chance of me dying in childbirth or again contracting an infection, or the infant itself not surviving. More importantly there are my kids that i already have to consider, what lessons my chances of survival will have a huge impact on THEIR chances, they will need and depend on me to survive in orderto help them survive, to have another child would mean initially a great deal of my attention would be taken away from them to focus on the new infant, and we all know that to take your eye offthe ball even for a mere moment couldprove detrimental! I couldn't do that to them, the task of survival would be difficult enough with two children already in tow, but the option of leaving them behind or even a "mercy" killing is just unthinkable, I chose to bring them into the world before it fell apart itis my duty to keep them alive even after it does. Should anything happen to them then my run is over and i would contemplate suicide cuz i wouldnt consider procreating after and therefore as far as preserving the human race is concerned i would serve no purpose for itso to me it would be the logical option. I would survive only to ensure the kids i already have survive. I've kinda just rambled on here lol, but these are myinitial thoughts on families and children in a zombie ridden world. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	3. RE: Work it in Monday, 7:48 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 7:48 AM EDT Anyone who even considered having a child after SHTF would have to be insane or stupid. Yes, the human race needs to go on and yes there will be guys interested in sex but women will know it will be them that has to carry the child and give birth. That thought should be enough contriceptive for them. I'd say having children will be something that will be put off by most by choice. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
RoseannMcCabe	4. RE: Work it in Monday, 8:09 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 8:09 AM EDT I am all for people procreating at a point down the line where a safe haven HAS been found, created and maintained, after all it is the only way for humanity to survive, but i reckon it would be years into the apocalypse, and i speak of myself in the sense that i know full well i would never reach such a place and that it would be very much just me n my kids, i wouldnt expect a group to take us on cuz there would be those people who would see my children as a hindrance, i would join a band if i came across one and they were accepting enough and i felt we would last longer with them. In all honesty i would fight to survive n keep my kids alive as long as possible but i would always keep it in the back of my mind that one day eventually circumstances would have us succumb so inevitably we are doomend anyway, but by god would i keep fighting for them. But even in a safe community i would still refuse to be one of the women who procreated, I've done my bit as a mother and brought two children into the world to hopefully survive into adulthood and then they can procreate, but it wont be me adding anymore to the population! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AlphaOneFour	5. RE: Work it in Monday, 8:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 8:31 AM EDT This is why condoms are in my BOB. Whilst they can serve as water carriers, they're also there for their intended purpose, being a fairly effective form of contraception. Of course, some people will want to procreate, but I would urge them to hold off for a few years, until we establish some sort of order and can set up a food production system, at which point we should've been able to build some sort of place to be away from the zeds. Of course, sex as a recreational activity could help pass the time (I hope we're all mature enough not to make jokes about meh I can find other things to amuse myself for 30 seconds), but could also lead to being caught with you pants down. Literally, and in one of the worst possible scenarios. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	6. RE: Work it in Monday, 8:54 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 9:07 AM EDT "Anyone who even considered having a child after SHTF would have to be insane or stupid. Yes the human race needs to go on and yes there will be guys interested in sex but women will know it will be them that has to carry the child and give birth. That thought should be enough contriceptive for them. I'd say having children will be something that will be put off by most by choice." Put off until they can't put it off, and then what? Contraceptives as we know them will run out and expire. "Herbal" alternatives aren't nearly as guaranteed, no matter what the hippy at the store says. Following the A, B, C rule is the best you have. Abstinence, Blow-jobs, Contraception. But tell me who can follow that plan for years on end? Despite all the intentions to avoid getting pregnant, it still happens. Condoms break, pills get skipped for various reasons, antibiotics and other medications stop them working. This happens now, with a safe environment, little stress and plenty of safety to rest and eat. Post-apocalyptic future? Not a good place to practice contraception effectively. Abstinence? Right. Because that works so well. Sleep deprivation makes you tired (so you lack judgement), and horny as hell (after the 30 hour mark, roughly). Stress and adrenalin make you reckless and passionate. The fear and threat of death make you want to feel alive (in your pants). So unless you want a group of frustrated individuals whacking it like monkeys in a zoo, or suffering from perpetual lockjaw, sex is going to happen. Which leads in most cases to pregnancy happening. No "waiting until we are safe" because there is no better pick-up line for "let's have tonight, because we could die tomorrow" (WWI and WWII anybody?) and no "I won't be a 'breeder' for the group." You have genitals? Like using them? Heterosexual? Kids in your future. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	7. RE: Work it in Monday, 8:55 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 8:55 AM EDT "But even in a safe community i would still refuse to be one of the women who procreated, I've done my bit as a mother and brought two children into the world to hopefully survive into adulthood and then they can procreate, but it wont be me adding anymore to the population!" So you are never having sex again? Or are you going to fashion condoms from sheep intestine, and hope for the best? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	8. RE: Work it in Monday, 9:02 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 9:02 AM EDT "This is why condoms are in my BOB. Whilst they can serve as water carriers, they're also there for their intended purpose, being a fairly effective form of contraception. Of course, some people will want to procreate, but I would urge them to hold off for a few years, until we establish some sort of order and can set up a food production system, at which point we should've been able to build some sort of place to be away from the zeds. Of course, sex as a recreational activity could help pass the time (I hope we're all mature enough not to make jokes about meh I can find other things to amuse myself for 30 seconds), but could also lead to being caught with you pants down. Literally, and in one of the worst possible scenarios." But how many are you carrying? In a new relationship it is easy to work through a pack in a single night. Without carrying fistfuls of the things once you start using them you will run through them pretty quickly. Say you are living in a post-Z base, and are in a relationship. How often are you thinking you will have sex? Once a week? Once a month? And you want people to hold off having kids for "a few years"? Realistically, it isn't going to happen like that. At some point in the immediate aftermath of the post-Z landscape, one of your group is going to get pregnant. Unless your whole group is related to each other, post-menopausal, impotent or homosexual. Saying "hold off a few years" just won't work with anyone. A few weeks, if you are lucky. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Reaper37	9. RE: Work it in Monday, 9:17 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 9:17 AM EDT I agree with Pedro. I believe that procreation is an absolute must. Humans will do as they always have, an EOTW situation is not going to change anything. The best course of action, IMO, is to try and locate or create a safe haven asap. Its obvious children are needed to continue our race as far into the future as possible, and even today, children come without planning or expectations all the time, why would anyone think it will be any different? If you already have children, the best course IMO, is to just make sure that they are kept safe, to ensure they have a future. Again its no different then today, we protect our children to the best of our abilities, it will just be a bit more dangerous come post apoc. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
shadowmancer	10. RE: Work it in Monday, 9:26 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 9:26 AM EDT removed because I thought better of it Post reply Do you find this valuable?
renet76	11. RE: Work it in Monday, 10:17 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 10:20 AM EDT You know there is a pattern with all these types of threads The guys come in all hormonal and go on about how it must happen and the ladies say go away It says a lot about priorities of males vs females Just remember horndogs NO means No and unless you want to swing from a tree for being a rapist keep it in your pants or deal with it yourself or you could go brokeback mountain style if you need it so bad Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Maricely	12. RE: Work it in Monday, 11:43 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 11:43 AM EDT "Saying "hold off a few years" just won't work with anyone. A few weeks, if you are lucky." I can go way longer than a few weeks. Not everyone is exactly the same in that respect. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Maricely	13. RE: Work it in Monday, 11:45 AM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 11:45 AM EDT "So you are never having sex again? Or are you going to fashion condoms from sheep intestine, and hope for the best?" You say that as if never having sex again is insanity. Some people don't have sex in our current society and they get along just fine. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LJ126	14. RE: Work it in Monday, 12:05 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 12:05 PM EDT I love his this thread automatically goes down the drain because someone brings up babies. I was once told that the only safe form of sex was phone sex. You can be intimate without actually having intercourse. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SovietPrince	15. RE: Work it in Monday, 12:16 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 12:16 PM EDT "Anyone who even considered having a child after SHTF would have to be insane or stupid. Yes, the human race needs to go on and yes there will be guys interested in sex but women will know it will be them that has to carry the child and give birth. That thought should be enough contriceptive for them. I'd say having children will be something that will be put off by most by choice." Before I address Pedro's good points, First may I correct you. "put off by most by choice" No, pregnancy, having children in a post apoc world would be put off by necessity, scarcity of resources, and relative dwelling. Now, Pedro is entirely right, but we must consider two instances... Having a kid and being "on the run" or not knowing where the next bed will be, something of that magnitude.. or being in a hot zone, even if you have a home of some sort. The other instance is actually being setup, having a colony, a place where the child might be able to grow up in relative safety(until he becomes a teen, ventures down to the brook, and finds old fisherman Todd decapitated... then gets back to colony to find out it's been eradicated.. thus the beginning of an awesome mad max ripoff movie xD) alo, Maricely, if i might detail something... People who don't have sex in our society either can't get any, or are old cat ladies.... or really fat truckers. also, might i remind everyone that the purpose of organic life is to reproduce and continue the species. Therefore, unless we all suddenly get the urge to let our race die, people are gonna procreate. Its that simple. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	16. RE: Work it in Monday, 12:55 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 12:55 PM EDT "I can go way longer than a few weeks. Not everyone is exactly the same in that respect. " I mean for those in a relationship. Anyone who is single obviously can (has to/will/might/etc) go for a lot longer. But it isn't really realistic to expect either partner in any couple to abstain for long because "if you get pregnant you will burden the group". And it isn't just a male thing, "man want sex, woman want knitting and doilies." Women can, and do, have the same drives and willpower or lack thereof. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlphaOneFour	17. RE: Work it in Monday, 12:57 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 12:57 PM EDT To be honest, this thread has been derailed from how we would work babies/very young children into a survival plan to a sex vs no sex debate. A meal for two with a terrible view would seem to be a quick-fix solution, and whilst it might work long term, the short-term satisfaction, and with no risk of pregnancy (and if you do get pregnant, I would sincerely like to know how you managed it). However, longer term, I cannot speak for myself, but I don't think I'd miond settling down and starting a family post z-poc, as long as I could make them as safe as possible. And of course, I'd try not to spend too much time out scavenging/building, I might try the stay-at-fortress dad thing for a while. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PedroAsani	18. RE: Work it in Monday, 12:59 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 12:59 PM EDT "You say that as if never having sex again is insanity. Some people don't have sex in our current society and they get along just fine. " The vast majority either are in relationships and have it, or are single and want it. (For this, some relationships only last as long as it takes to buy a drink and take a cab ride..you get the idea.) I am saying that expecting those who want it and are in a position to have it, to then abstain for "a few years" is insane. Especially with the ever-present threat of death surrounding them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	19. RE: Work it in Monday, 1:01 PM EDT \| Post edited: Monday, 1:01 PM EDT "I love his this thread automatically goes down the drain because someone brings up babies. I was once told that the only safe form of sex was phone sex. You can be intimate without actually having intercourse. And that's all I'm gonna say about that." Well foreplay and others gets tricky when things get sticky. Any misplaced fluid transfer caused by wandering hands, mouths or other body parts can result in pregnancy, although the chances are far lower. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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