"i believe in medieval times(in europe) the average population density was between 10-20 persons per square mile so meaning that means without modern agriculture we could support roughly that amount of people maybe more depending on where you live since europe is pretty cold so winters are longer and more sevior i believe so since the average population density of the world would in my opinion PSTF be even less than that of africa in precolonial times(africa was very under populated by the beginning of the 20th century it only had between 90-133 million people) we could afford more or less to have a slight population boom without causing major problems since in my opinion communities will be come more agrarian and also because probably the rural areas will have a much lower percentage of dead than the urban areas."

" I think they'll take what control they can and hold off on pg "

"There are lots of non-hormonal and non-mechanical birth control options. They just aren't usually as effective. But they work.

I think the difference between now and generations ago, is that people were used to so many children dying. They didn't even name them at birth. They waited to see if they lived. I don't think most women from this day and age are just going to accept that. I think they'll take what control they can and hold off on pg until there are clinics/hospitals and aren't looking around at the remnants of a war zone. "

"For a certain definition of "work". I trust the rhythm method to fail far more than that number implies. 80% is "when followed correctly". But at that point, how many people fail to follow the instructions? Most of them, would be a safe guess.

None of those listed are truly safe and convenient. They require planning and self control, which means they have the enormous potential to go wrong.

And yes, I think they will die in great numbers. Which is something else to plan for. But thinking people will hold off because of this? Even if you sit them down and explain it to them, they won't all stop. They won't all break out calendars and charts. Some of them will believe that they will be the exception to the rule. See this board for examples."

"so your saying pedro is stupid? tis is a bold one indeed."

"He said people were too stupid to follow the instructions of something as simple as the calendar rhythm method. Sure, the options aren't all truly safe and convenient. But pregnancy, childbirth and parenting are a hell of lot more unsafe and inconvenient post-apoc. The options aren't fail safe, so I would expect accidents. But to fail to follow simple instructions when a person weighs the risks vs benefits is incredibly stupid.

He might be right. People might be that stupid. I really hope not."

"huh? How do you come to that conclusion?

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"Sorry if I wasn't clear. "