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DevilNuts |
LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 11:46 AM EDT
There are going to be additional modules forthcoming, one of which will address tactical withdrawal. My original intent with this manual is to provide for rapid response to individual, isolated threats. The manual isn't meant to address the swarming zombie mob scenario -- this manual is more geared towards the occasional close quarters zed, popping out unexpectedly.As for the contact drill itself, I think it's unwise to try to have people shouting out too much info because the team has to stop and actually think about it and process what "100 yards, 4 o clock" means. The drill is supposed to be split second reaction. They will know where the threat is, because the one who called it out will be moving towards it. All they have to do is move with him. Thanks for your comment -- if you have additional comments please create threads for them on the page so that everyone can benefit from the discussion!! Happy hunting. -- Original Message -- From: LWJ2009 To: DevilNuts Sent: Jun 7 2009, 8:35 am EDT Subject: Contact drill You might want to have people shout out direction and distance, and # of personel or zombies seen, and if they are armed. Contact right or left is bit vague. If you can be more specific it will help with your reaction time. If you shout out 3 Zombies at 4'oclock, 100 meters,etc it, makes it easier for your group to pinpoint the threat. Then you can manuever and respond accordingly. You might also suggest that groups that train with each other form their own SOP's, so people can react faster, it thus just becomes just a battle drill and everybody is on the same page. You should also have people train to withdraw from contact as well. If you have 90 Zombies on their way it might be best to bug out and find a better position, to defend from or just run like hell and head to the rally point. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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1. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 11:53 AM EDT
Just from a safety and legal standpoint, you might want your groups to invest in rubber ducks for firearms. Esp depending on where you plan to train with your drills. The nice high vis blue suckers, will prevent legal trouble and the chance ad which could lead to serious injury or death.http://www.blueguns.com/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
2. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 11:55 AM EDT
Airsoft would work fine as well, but good point. Actually it was an oversight on my part; I had assumed this manual would be used post-Zday, but there's no reason it couldn't be used before then. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:01 PM EDT
I would say airsoft if you have a place where you do not have to worry about le, or the public. If your in a public park etc be careful. Some of those airsoft weapons look pretty real, and if somebody sees you pointing them at other people you could have trouble. Like the articles in the paper where you read about some cop shooting a teenager because he had a toy that looked to much like the real thing. Esp for the younger members of this forum.
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DevilNuts |
4. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:03 PM EDT
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If you plan on conducting training at a park, it wouldn't hurt to call the local police and tell them of your plans and intentions before going out there. this way if a hundred soccer moms blow up their phone lines, they will already know what is going on and they won't send SWAT teams down on you. Also putting up a few signs or posters describing the event may put people at ease -- if you hang a sign that says "XYZ community college film club in session" you will probably be left alone. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:12 PM EDT
Out here devil I would be more worried about somebody with a concealed carry permit, who stumbles on a group in their drills. Alot of folks are armed and will respond to a percieved threat if they think somebody is in danger. Not to mention alot of the folks that I have issued permits to are not fit to have them in the first place and are a danger. So I spose it would just be dependent on where you live. Some places like where I live are gun happy and others are just full of liberal dick sucks.
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DevilNuts |
6. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:23 PM EDT
I understand, but anyone who came upon my groups would instantly recognize it as something other than a real-life situation. 1) I would be standing around with a whistle, an obvious instructor. 2) There would be gear all over the place - pads, training weapons, gym bags and water bottles. 3) We would be executing the same things over and over again, talking through each movement. It would be pretty obvious. One thing I will say is, check local regulations on any kind of martial training in public parks. I have never seen anyone do any kind of combative training in a park - I don't even know if it's legal. Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:30 PM EDT
Good points devil but that is you, never assume that anybody else following your guidelines will do as you do and take the same precautions. Your an NCO and you know how to train your minions to do your bidding, however not everybody has your standards when it comes to training. Ok I am calling endex back to the ZERT FM, you steely eyed mod.
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9. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:39 PM EDT
Bright yellow vests or jumpsuits that say "Z.S.D.W. Emergency Drills" on the back and "Recruit Name" on the front. Plus hats.Have you guys talked about paintball? They make different kind of guns, and it is pretty ovvious when people are splattered with paint. They also make special parks, just for these kind of "battles." http://www.zephyrpaintball.com/category/scenarioupgrades/?META=PBGOOG&gclid=COXUwtbL-JoCFQJHxwodLTKjeA Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
10. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:45 PM EDT
Meh, my drills really aren't meant for any projectiles to be involved. Nobody needs to shoot anything in order for me to get my point across. you can just hold up sticks and say "BANG BANG" and the training will still be effective.
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LWJ2009 |
11. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 12:55 PM EDT
Do we get to use pine cones as frags?? How about a super soaker to simulate a flame thrower...he he he.
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John_234 |
12. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 1:53 PM EDT
Airsoft does work reasonably well for this kind of thing.http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Airsoft What you could do, is many airsoft and paintball fields allow players to rent out the entire field for a fee, so you could hypothetically organize an event. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 1:56 PM EDT
"Do we get to use pine cones as frags?? How about a super soaker to simulate a flame thrower...he he he. "For some riot-control drills, we've used silly string to simulate OC spray. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
14. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 1:58 PM EDT
they actually make training OC cans. It's just red water.
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John_234 |
15. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 2:00 PM EDT
"they actually make training OC cans. It's just red water. "I suppose they do, but silly string is easier to get, and sticks like most OC spray does. Do you find this valuable? |
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DevilNuts |
16. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 2:07 PM EDT
I would like to reiterate at this time that this manual is intended to address the enclosed-space, dark room, one or two zombies popping out of the closet scenario. For my purposes, frag grenades and OC spray really wouldn't be productive. Examples of things I am writing material for: * Diary of the dead, hospital scene. * Diary of the dead, little brother scene. * 28DL, gas station scene. * SotD, living room scene. * Dawn of the dead, janitor scene. These drills are to develop quick thinking and quick reaction in a close-quarters situation, I'm not training for braveheart-style mob on mob confrontations. Someone else can write that manual. Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
17. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 2:08 PM EDT
The DOTD2004 parking basement scene would be pretty interesting.
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DevilNuts |
18. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
Right, I plan on writing material for single-man encounters, 2 on 1, 3 on 2, etc. There will be a module for weapons of opportunity, in case the players are caught without anything. The training is more to keep your mind sharp than anything else. "One Mind, Any Weapon." That is the motto of the Marine Corps Martial arts Program, and I find it to be quite fitting. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: LWJ2009's comments
Jun 7 2009, 2:44 PM EDT
Ah, good idea.I read about a particular scenario: The participant was escorting their "sister" and was told to tie their shoe. The sister would be accosted by two gunmen while he was doing so, and the participant had nothing but his weapon and the instructions for the courses. Rather then the traditional "don't shoot" approach, the guy scolds his sister for bothering the men, which thoroughly confuses them. They then tell him to give them his wallet. He then threw the instruction paper off to the side, kneeled and shot both men. Do you find this valuable? |
