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IrishHitman	timberrattler Jun 7 2009, 1:36 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 7 2009, 1:36 PM EDT I'd appreciate if everyone had a look at where this thread is posted (Group Evaluation & Comparison)... Timber, I'd appreciate if you went head to head with me in the first of these. You wanted to have a Highwayman vs. Raider debate, you got one. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
timberrattler	2. RE: timberrattler Jun 7 2009, 6:45 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 7 2009, 6:48 PM EDT "I'd appreciate if everyone had a look at where this thread is posted (Group Evaluation & Comparison)... Timber, I'd appreciate if you went head to head with me in the first of these. You wanted to have a Highwayman vs. Raider debate, you got one." This will be interesting. I will be completely honest as far as the weapons that are available to me and three other members of my proposed band of highwaymen. I said four and I will stick with four. If you choose one hundred I'm pretty much screwed but I'll still go through with it. I will keep my word even if it means certain defeat. I never considered any kind of robbery or raiding before the "raiding sitting still" thread but believe I could bag more booty (as it were) than you with less effort and fewer men. I didn't go at this like a military man I went at it like the ol' hunter that I am. A deer hunter doesn't run around looking for deer, that would scare them off he waits patiently for them choosing his ground and perhaps using bait like doe in heat scent for an extra incentive to get them to come to you. Hunting people would be the same principle. Some bait like the signs Devil recomended would do the trick. I have a varmit caller that works well on coyotes with a coyote pup in distress call. A recording of a small child in trouble would work just as well on human beings. In conclusion I'll leave you with an old joke that has stuck with me for years that I think is appropriate for my side of the debate. An old bull and a young bull were standing atop a hill when the young bull eagerly said, "Hey old man lets run down this hill and fuck one of those cows!". The old bull casually looked down the hill at the multitude of cattle and slowly smiled and said, "Son why don't we WALK down this hill and fuck'em ALL..." Lets kick the tires and light the fires Mick!!! YEEAAAAHHHAAA! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
3DayAsylum	7. RE: timberrattler Jun 7 2009, 10:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 7 2009, 10:54 PM EDT In summation: Irish supports traveling raiders. Timber supports stick-around highwaymen. Irish proposed a debate, sharing the pros and cons of either. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SkipNChurch	10. This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 7 2009, 10:30 PM EDT Rest of we stay the hell off this thread. Easy enough to understand? ANY other responses here other than participants will be nuked with malice. SnC LetThisDiscussionProgressAgain Post reply 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	11. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 8 2009, 12:05 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 8 2009, 3:08 PM EDT Group Evaluation & Comparison: Standard Personal Weapon: Going on whats popular in my area I'll go with a good ol' Chinese SKS 7.62 x .39mm. They're pretty much like buttholes around here. Everyones got one. Side Arm: Most everyone I know except for me has at least one 1911 .45 handgun. I'll say a Springfield because they're reasonable and reliable as far as I know. I prefer revolvers myself but I'm going to go with a Springfield 1911 .45 lets say the Mil-Spec model, not the most expensive not the least. Squad Support Weapons: Sorry Irish, I'll show my ignorance here and say I don't know what that is. I'm assuming you mean something like the Marine's SAW and I wouldn't have access to anything like that. AT/AF Rocket Launchers/Rifles: Again my ignorance is going to shine through I have no idea what AT/AF is. A rocket launcher is way out of reach for me unless one falls out of the sky. If you have one thats the guy who will have 4 crosshairs across his chest. As far as rifles go thats something I do know about. I have to say a Remington .308 with bull barrel and a big 'ol Leupold on top. Medium Support Weapons (battalion level support weapons): I'm guessing at your meaning here. Feel free to chastise me if I'm wrong. I'll say a 12 ga. 870 pump 28" barrel modified choke w/ plain ol' BB at the end. Its generic I know but not in short supply around home. If anybody has a tactical shotgun they've been hiding it well. Just not something you'll see very often. 00 buck for ammo. Artillery: Honkey please.... Vehicles: Tennesse Walking Horse geldings. Positioned a half mile from shooters. All broke to the shot. Geldings so there won't be all that nickering that goes on between Studs and Mares. Tough ass Field Trial stock. Post reply 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	12. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 8 2009, 12:29 AM EDT Irish, Please remember I have a job, farm on the side, and have two kids who love attention. I post early in the morning and late at night. I'll respond to your posts when I can and I thank you for the chance to debate this subject with someone as passionate about this as you are. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	13. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 3:18 PM EDT Alright, I will list the weapons that I would have if I confronted you. Bear in mind that if I did not possess these weapons or weapons of a similar character, I would not proceed to the United States and this confrontation simply wouldn't happen. However, given that I would be raiding Britain and Continental Europe, it is very likely that I would get my hands on weapons of these types at some point, after which it depends on whether I have the ships to get there. I also expect you to get your hands on some US military tech eventually, so that will be factored into this debate, so don't be so modest. Standard Personal Weapon: Steyr AUG (The SA80 is a possibility, depends if I go to Northern Ireland or if I meet up with Northern Irish survivors such as Marsden). Side Arm: H&K USP Squad Support Weapons: M203A1 40mm grenade launcher, FN MAG 7.62mm General Purpose Machine Gun AT/AF Rocket Launchers/Rifles: AT-4 84mm Short Range Anti Armour Weapon (SRAAW), FGM-148 Javelin 84mm AT, 84mm Carl Gustav AT Rifle. Medium Support Weapons (battalion-level support weapons): Browning M2 12.7mm HMG Artillery: 60mm & 81mm mortars and 105mm Howitzers are available to me, but I won't be touching those unless I have mastered them, which is very VERY VERY unlikely. Vehicles: It depends on the timing of my arrival in your area and my situation regarding sea transport. Ideally, I would have Scorpion Light Tanks and Piranha APCs, but I doubt I would use them due to fuel. Worst case scenario, we'll be walking. I'll opt for the middle: A mix of anything between F350s, Land Rovers, Nissan Patrols & Panhard AML armoured cars. Sorry that I'm late in posting this. We need to decide on a few locations. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	14. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 3:43 PM EDT Once we have a location, we have to set up a scenario based on how we operate. Presumably, your group would be lying in wait on a rural road, and my group would be advancing up that road, correct? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
timberrattler	15. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 5:33 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 10 2009, 5:34 PM EDT "Once we have a location, we have to set up a scenario based on how we operate. Presumably, your group would be lying in wait on a rural road, and my group would be advancing up that road, correct?" That is correct. I do not begrudge you on any of your weapon choices. You stated on another thread that raiders would have access to better weapons and I agree. A highwayman wouldn't confront military at all and unless a battle between zeds and soldiers happened in my particular area I wouldn't be able to get my hands on military equipment and if I did I wouldn't know how to use much of it. My skills revolve around hunting and construction as well as farming and utilities. I'm also pretty much a junkyard dog. Turn me loose in a junkyard and I can find all kinds of uses for things most people would take for granted. The location I have in mind is a streach of highway three miles from home. It would be a winding road in hilly countryside. The two ridgelines my men would occupy are at a 45 degree slope. The countryside surrounding it is clearcut forest. Meaning loggers cut every tree down about 10 yrs ago when they widened the road. What grew up in their place is sapplings and briars. Lots and lots of briars. About 10 acres on each side of the road. Woods and farmland surround the thickets. The state has fought the Multiflora rose bushes that have continued to grow in this area but have not won the fight. Multiflora Rose is natures form of Constantina wire. My tactics will be straight up guerilla. So this will be a fight between low-tech with time to prepare and the homefield advantage vs. high-tech with raiding experience and the advantage of combustion engines. This is a fight that would never happen in a million years because of the ocean and miles between us but hopefully we'll come out of this having learned something from one another. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	16. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 5:43 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 10 2009, 5:44 PM EDT Presumably sharing a Google Map coordinate is out of the question? My high tech advantage is limited, I have more guns and better guns, but that's about it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	17. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 6:06 PM EDT "Presumably sharing a Google Map coordinate is out of the question? My high tech advantage is limited, I have more guns and better guns, but that's about it." Sorry man I don't think I want to do that. I've remained pretty private about where I live and would like to keep it that way. If you need something like that to get a better feel for this battle I understand. I'd want the same thing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	18. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 10 2009, 6:08 PM EDT "Sorry man I don't think I want to do that. I've remained pretty private about where I live and would like to keep it that way. If you need something like that to get a better feel for this battle I understand. I'd want the same thing. " Find an alternative location with a similar sort of terrain, of your choosing, designate a location 3 miles away as your home and post it up. You know how to make Google Maps? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	20. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 11 2009, 12:06 AM EDT "Well, take a screenshot of the terrain, edit out the address and other info, then post the image on imageshack or something." I'm sorry I don't have a clue what imageshack is you got to remember guys I'm not that literate when it comes to computers. I've only had internet access for a short time. Until I can figure out how to do the things your asking I'm afraid this thread is dead. I went to googlemaps and found some good pics but as far as saving pics and posting them elsewhere I'll have to ask for help from family members who have more experience than me with that sort of thing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	21. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 11 2009, 12:14 AM EDT "I'm sorry I don't have a clue what imageshack is you got to remember guys I'm not that literate when it comes to computers. I've only had internet access for a short time. Until I can figure out how to do the things your asking I'm afraid this thread is dead. I went to googlemaps and found some good pics but as far as saving pics and posting them elsewhere I'll have to ask for help from family members who have more experience than me with that sort of thing." um....you should have a "printscreen" button on your keyboard, usually above the arrow keys. Open up paint, which is usually under. start > programs > accessories > paint Then right click "paste". This should print the entire screen onto paint. You should then click a button that looks like a rectangle made out of a dotted line. Then draw a box using that tool around the part of the image you wish to use. Right click that portion "copy". Then click edit > undo until you have the original blank box, then right click paste the image in. Then click file > save as. You then need to find a photobucket or imageshack account. You register your email with an account, and you can use the site to host your images as links. I'd say imageshack because you can keep them private. For imageshack, click "browse" and select the file, then click "upload". The next screen should show several links, copy the "direct link" and paste it here. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
IrishHitman	23. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 11 2009, 2:59 AM EDT "Irish do you mind if I ask who in your group is going to be able to use a javelin?? " I listed what we'd have available, not what we will necessarily use. As for who could use them, army reservists learn to use them as far as I'm aware. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Marsden	25. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 11 2009, 4:46 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 11 2009, 4:56 AM EDT Allright, I don't want to get involved in this too much. Timberrattler has requested that i help him with maps. I have managed to create three that are similar to the location he has previously described: Winding roads; trees going back for a large distance either side and slightly hilly. It was the best I could find after half an hour of ploughing through google maps. I have uploaded the photos to this page on Wetpaint, feel free to edit them as you see fit on Microsoft paint: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Highwaymen+vs.+Raiders If you want to download the images or view them in a larger size you can find the originals uploaded at the below addresses: Terrain Map: http://yfrog.com/5hterrainmapcompletep Satelite Image: http://yfrog.com/5jsatelitemapcompletep Road and River Map: http://yfrog.com/7groadandrivermapcompletep If either of you require anything else I will do my best to accomodate you in the debate. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	26. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 11 2009, 5:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 11 2009, 5:24 PM EDT My forces will approach from the West via the roads, I await timber's attack :P He still has to designate a position 3 miles away as his hideout. Perhaps you could give us the coordinates of this place? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	27. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 12 2009, 6:58 AM EDT This pissing match is over. I didn't know what I was getting myself into as far as all the computer skills and what have you. I am what I've always said I am. A simple man. A C student in high school with a blue collar job and a red neck. My skills lie elsewhere and as a friend of mine told me in a PM, "not everyone is good at everything". I apologize to Marsden who worked really hard to set everything up. Your first class man, all the way. I'm sorry I couldn't have been a better student. To IrishHitman. Find someone with some computer skills to play this game with. I came here for a debate not to play a low-rent version of age of empires. We had too different ideas on how this would play out and it just isn't working. My plan was a simple one and if a party like your describing came up my road I'd lay low until you passed. If I attacked the scouting party you described and your main party came in I'd run or hide or both. Horses are the best off-road vehicle on the planet and if I made it to mine you would never see me again. If you came into my woods the Vietcong style traps I would have set up on the paths of least resistance would have left anyone you sent after me maimed or dead. I know you'll have countermeasures to everything I just suggested and I'm kind of miffed at the having to reveal the positions of my men when my only hope at all in this confrontation was surprise. But I guess thats how video games are played. In conclusion if there is anyone out there with knowledge of the programs and tools involved to this kind of wargame feel free to start this whole thing over and forget that I was ever involved. Sorry to disapoint everyone but I'm not feeling it anymore. To me its like wiping before you poop, it just doesn't make sense. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Thorn_of_kabolis	28. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 12 2009, 8:19 AM EDT plus i doubt that timber would attack you if he saw a tank or some awsome machine guns since he seems to be on his game Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
IrishHitman	29. RE: This discussion is for 'rattler and Irish. Jun 12 2009, 8:50 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 12 2009, 8:51 AM EDT Timber, we can continue this without all that if you wish. If you weren't content using the maps etc, all you had to do was say so. I'll re-make my weapons list to something a bit more conservative in terms of firepower as well. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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