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shinji2002 |
Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 4:29 PM EDT
We spend a lot of time talking about weapons, especially guns, fortifications, etc. Has anyone made any serious planning for food? When your MRE's run out, what is your plan? Can you carry enough MRE's to last until this plan starts to work? If we all plan on fishing and hunting, how long before deer and trout go the way of the buffalo?
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spamanninen |
1. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 4:50 PM EDT
well sir.... everyone who SURVIVES will hunt and fish. dont know how animals will react to the undead... will the zeds just leave them alone? will animals run from them? will zeds kill animals and if so, will the animals they kill turn into zombie animals? i dont know i have no idea. hopefully zombies will just leave the wildlife alone. in that case, there wont be enough survivors to deplenish these animals. one year without a deer season will drive the polulation through the roof. theres also cow farms on ponds and stuff where the beef will live out their whole lives without human interference. my only suggestion to you is to learn how to salt cure meat. just pack it in salt and smoke it. it will keep forever. one bull will feed several survivors for a while. even a small deer will last a while if you use ALL the meat. i just dont see wildlife depleting.
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shinji2002 |
2. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 7:45 PM EDT
"well sir.... everyone who SURVIVES will hunt and fish. "The Chicago metro area has a population of 9.5 million people. Illinois has a total population just under 13 million. Just over 73% of the whole state lives in one small section. Let's say half of them don't make it through the first day. You still have 57% of the population in one area, spreading out to farmland and hunting and fishing. This is a population that was supported by a food global food supply chain that is now only very local. I don't see most of the crops making it a year and the majority of animals going with them. I agree that after one to three years, hunting and fishing will be fine, but in the beginning, I worry about a lot of idiots with guns fighting over a kill. PS - I'm not an environmentalist and think animals taste delicious. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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livingdeadman |
3. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 9:16 PM EDT
Even if 90% of the human race was wiped out there would still be 30 million in the US alone. 30 million trying to hunt and fish on almost a daily basis. Those 30 million would be scattered over the US. Much of the wildlife would take a downturn in population.A group of ten people, eating 3 meals a day, would go through a deer in less than a week. Probably just a couple of days. On many small farms with cattle they must be moved into different pastures regularly. Do you know why farmers grow hay? It's so the cattle have something to eat in the winter. No more hay will mean starvation for many cattle north of the frost line. Hogs should do well. When hogs escape they often go wild quite easily. Many breeds of chickens however have been cross bread so much that many will not survive. Predators may take many of the rest. What do you think the many millions of dogs and cats will eat when their masters aren't there to feed them anymore. Most survivors will have to depend heavily on looting to survive the first winter. The wildlife population will dwindle for at least the first year with only 10% of our current population. Even 1% is still 300,000 people. Do you find this valuable? |
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somiug |
4. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 10:58 PM EDT
I think the best bet for hunting and gathering would be to carve yourself out a spot somewhere out of the way where you want be bothered too much. once you've found a spot, guard it well. Don't let anyone else encroach on your resources. I know it sounds hostile but in a post zombie apocalypse we'll be fighting each other almost as much as we'll be fighting the Z's. Everyone will need to become more territorial than they're used to being, and if this means using force to feed yourself and your party than thats the way it has to be.
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Boomslang1991 |
5. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 22 2009, 11:55 PM EDT
Fortunately, the area I live in is mostly coastal with a huge agriculture industry. I think becoming vegetarian with the occasional cat might work out nicely. Do you find this valuable? |
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z_warrior |
6. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 24 2009, 9:59 PM EDT
Instead of salting i would choose to can my food and store it. You can get all of your vegetables and even some meat into the jar, plus you get the water that you use to can it. plus there's nothing better than a nice hot bowl of soup in the dead of winter. In the spring i would hunt, trap, and fish to help bolster rations. I would farm all of the nearby fields (and there's a lot because my fortress is going to be on the edge of a rural town) mainly growing corn, potatoes, wheat, various vegetables, and what fruits i can find. There is abundant wildlife in the immediate area of the fortress including deer, rabits, groundhogs, wild turkey, and various other birds not to mention the farm animals including cows, chickens, and goats. Acctually the property next to my fortress' location is a stable with at least 3,but no more than 6 horses at a time. it is fully stocked with hay to feed them and tools to care for them. I plan on modifying a tractor mounted plow to be hooked up to the horses for plowing of the fields. I would expect that eventually the wild boar population would reach my fortress (seeing as how the only thing stopping them now is human intervention). A wild boar can reach 400 lbs or more. That is enough meat to last a group of 10 (3 meals a day with a 2lb serving of meat) just under three weeks. So killing 1 boar weighing at least 350 lbs every two weeks will provide enough meat for each person AND extra to be cooked and canned for winter. As for concerns regauding wildlife population, its not something i would worry about. Even if there are 3 million survivors in the US they will be scattered across the country. even if the majority, say 75%, are hunters; the remaining 25% will not have much luck at hunting and will stick to raiding and foraging. Even the majority will not hunt everyday and will not always be successful. there's a reason its called hunting and killing, there is a chance you will fail. Do you find this valuable? |
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livingdeadman |
7. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jun 24 2009, 11:32 PM EDT
"Instead of salting i would choose to can my food and store it. You can get all of your vegetables and even some meat into the jar, plus you get the water that you use to can it. plus there's nothing better than a nice hot bowl of soup in the dead of winter.Do you realize that not all of a 350 boar can be eaten? You should know that some of the weight is not normally consumed. Like with any animal much of the bowels, bones, etc are often discarded. I am told the average live weight of an adult boar is between 180 and 230 pounds. Some can get as heavy as 400 but that is pushing the limit. Hunting itself is far more time consuming and much less productive than trapping. Trapping doesn't use bullets. Trapping can be silent. I suggest most people forget about hunting altogether and learn to make a variety of traps. I suggest you store up a large number of canning flats. Almost all of them are good the first time you use them. Some the second time. After that.... It's hit and miss. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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z_warrior |
8. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jul 2 2009, 5:35 AM EDT
Obviously some of any animal can not be eaten, but it is not like that is the only thing we would eat. And yes 400 lbs is pushing it...today. But if people are suddenly removed from the picture... Wild boars don't have many predators...so if allowed to roam the whole country and without anything to keep them in check, they will continue to grow. There is also speculation claiming that american wild hogs are being cross-bred with much larger and more agressive Eurasian boars. A Eurasian boar can reach 3.5 feet tall and weigh in at close to 500 lbs. Again if unchecked the boars will become large and dangerous, but extremely plentiful.Trapping is a silent and resource efficent way of getting food, but you would need leathal traps instead of live traps because the noise can attract unwanted attention. Two downfalls to the traps though are size and scent. Size because you won't catch anything bigger than a rabbit with a leathal trap (which runs the danger of injuring you if accidently tripped), and scent because if you set and check the traps everyday you will leave a strong scent. Both problems are solved by hunting because you can hunt large game and postion yourself down wind. to solve the canning reliablity issue we wold make sure there is a tight seal before storing it and check everything once a week to make sure everything is closed properly. Do you find this valuable? |
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Akerris |
9. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jul 2 2009, 7:08 AM EDT
"Obviously some of any animal can not be eaten, but it is not like that is the only thing we would eat. And yes 400 lbs is pushing it...today. But if people are suddenly removed from the picture... Wild boars don't have many predators...so if allowed to roam the whole country and without anything to keep them in check, they will continue to grow. There is also speculation claiming that american wild hogs are being cross-bred with much larger and more agressive Eurasian boars. A Eurasian boar can reach 3.5 feet tall and weigh in at close to 500 lbs. Again if unchecked the boars will become large and dangerous, but extremely plentiful.Canned food is great short term, but hunting and fishing is important later on. Too much salt = kidney stones......Ouch.... Do you find this valuable? |
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z_warrior |
10. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jul 2 2009, 2:56 PM EDT
true... that is why i can food all year to get me through the winter. i would just have to limit the salt i put in.
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Markthegenius |
11. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Jan 2 2011, 2:45 PM EST
Hi i'm new to this siteWould anybody who's tasted them be able to tell me if the MRE's are worth getting? Im going to stockpile some supplies and im wondering if i ought to turn to the cheap army ration packs? Any help apreciated! Do you find this valuable? |
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Manonthemat94 |
12. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 10 2011, 7:06 PM EST
"Do you realize that not all of a 350 boar can be eaten? You should know that some of the weight is not normally consumed. Like with any animal much of the bowels, bones, etc are often discarded. I am told the average live weight of an adult boar is between 180 and 230 pounds. Some can get as heavy as 400 but that is pushing the limit.Bones and bowels etc. are normally discarded in our western culture. However, they can be used. Bones can be boiled into a broth, organs can be cooked the same as meat. Skins can be turned into clothing or fried and consumed ( think pork rinds...fried pork skin). Every single part of an animal can be used. Given you have the time to cook it and (hopefully) the seasonings to make less favorable parts taste good. Examples: Rocky Mountain Oysters, Broth, Pork rinds, etc. Necessity will drive people to once again use the animals they hunt to the max in the event of an apocalypse. Do you find this valuable? |
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power5050 |
13. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 10 2011, 8:25 PM EST
"Has anyone made any serious planning for food? "(No offense whatsoever) Every active member of this site has taken food into consideration many MANY times. That's what makes us who we are and not just people looking for a moving target to shoot. Do you find this valuable? |
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cj1977 |
14. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 10 2011, 10:32 PM EST
Man, I am down with honey and locust! To be more serious, I'd be force to hunt my own game to survive and I'd have to gather my food like veggies.
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Filadog |
15. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 11 2011, 9:07 AM EST
I think to plan to survive by hunting is pretty much a fail. I live in a rural area with lots of deer but I expect after an event that disrupted the food suppy there would be droves of hungry people in the woods trying to shoot dinner.Not only will they soon kill off the game probably many would home in on that gun shot if you did kill something to take it from you. I think traping things like raccoons, possums, groundhogs and other small game and birds would make more sense and would be both more productive and safer. I live right on the water[ Chesapeake bay] and fishing is a good option for me. Personaly I think most people plans to do farming are fantasy....."I get some horses, and a plow and plant a farm, etc".....Do you have this equipment and knowledge now? Do you have enough supplies to see you through till your crops can be harvested? What do you plan to do to keep people from stealing your crops if you do survive that long? I have a good bit of food stored, I think I could supliment it some by hunting / traping / fishing but think I will eventually have to resort to scavenging and maybe even taking food from others if need be Do you find this valuable? |
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redcomrad |
16. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 11 2011, 6:43 PM EST
"Bones and bowels etc. are normally discarded in our western culture. However, they can be used. Bones can be boiled into a broth, organs can be cooked the same as meat. Skins can be turned into clothing or fried and consumed ( think pork rinds...fried pork skin). Every single part of an animal can be used. Given you have the time to cook it and (hopefully) the seasonings to make less favorable parts taste good.actually im pretty sure when you butcher an animal your supposed to take out certain organs because if you don't you could get E-Coli poisoning and that will kill you within hours i think i know which organs im pretty sure there the Stomach, intestines, bladder, and the Pancreas. Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
17. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 11 2011, 7:07 PM EST
"Two downfalls to the traps though are size and scent. Size because you won't catch anything bigger than a rabbit with a leathal trap"Really now, pretty sure you can catch a lynx in a trap, and I'm sure they're bigger than a rabbit. Oh and I am talking about lethal traps, before you think I'm talking live traps Do you find this valuable? |
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randomknife666 |
18. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 11 2011, 7:18 PM EST
" Not only will they soon kill off the game probably many would home in on that gun shot if you did kill something to take it from you."Um... Bow hunting... but that only solves one of those problems. Do you find this valuable? |
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Filadog |
19. RE: Food in the apocalypse
Mar 11 2011, 8:32 PM EST
".You obviously don't have much experance with trapping. You can get Conibear killer traps in a size big enough to catch a Coyote, coniber traps are very common to use to catch beaver and otte both lots bigger then a rabbit While I suppose you could injure yourself with a trap if you did something stupid but really not an issue I don't think...Imagine many more people are injured and killed by guns while hunting. Even larger game could be trapped with snares or dead falls, I once met a guy that trapped deer with wire snares. As to not being able to check your traps everyday because you will leave a strong scent thats just nonsense. When I was a kid I ran a trapline and I checked it TWICE a day because I was worrried about thieves and wring offs and caught plenty Only a very poor trapper wouldn't check his traps at least everyday. Unless the trap is sprung or you have caught something there is no reason to actually closely approach the trap just need to get close enough to see it's condition. To be honest most animals that you will trap like coons,possums, rabbits,mink, and even foxes are not to smart or wary and are used to human scent...Have heard coyotes can be but have no experance with them. While animals can tear up the surrounding area when caught in a leg trap they normaly don't make much noise, same if caught in a box trap Do you find this valuable? |