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NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:11 PM EDT
This is a lamense terms review of a recent article by Louis Awerbuck from this months issue of SWAT magazine. If you are not familiar with Awerbuck he is the director of the internationally aclaimed Yavapai Firearms Academy and a well known firearms expert. This article specifically entails practical practice.While many people have guns they cant get to them in a realistic time frame if needed-even if the weapon is attached to thier carcass when their world turns into a brown mist. What this boils down to is that if you dont practice accessing your weapon from its position of rest until it is second nature, you probabally wont last through the first 2 notes of a death opera. You see it all the time on the firing range. Shooters standing by for an audible "go" command, sweaters and coats tucked inboard of a low-slung hip holster, beady eyes locked on the desired impact point of a mammoth stationary target, feet frirmly planted in a recently shooter foot excavated hole designed to give perfect belt-buckle-to-belt-buckle target alignment. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?
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usmcfr888 |
1. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:15 PM EDT
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CONTINUED: Even more disillusioning is watching these trainees leaving the range at days end. The pistols are switched to a different holster-often locked on a body area other than that used at the practice range-and the training girlie ammunition is substituted for uncontrollable hand-howitzer defense loads. Or the final straw: the "defensive training" pistol is exchanged for a minute "concealed carry" version the size of a fleas ear and constructed of some super-secret light weight material scooped off the surface of the Martian landscape. "Much more comfortable for concealed street deployment dont ya know?"CONTINUED: Sure it is. Of course youll never be able to access it in an emergency, and wont hit an elephants derriere at ten paces even if you could get your grubby mits on it, reacting to the visual stimulus of an unforseen for-real physical threat. The bottom line is the criterion isnt so much what weapon and/or ammo combination happens to be your choice for personal defense. The crux is that apart from excelling in the fields of marksmanship and weapon manipulation, you have to be able to access the gun or all is for naught. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freelancer47 |
2. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
"This is a lamense terms review of a recent article by Louis Awerbuck from this months issue of SWAT magazine. If you are not familiar with Awerbuck he is the director of the internationally aclaimed Yavapai Firearms Academy and a well known firearms expert. This article specifically entails practical practice.Dude, post the article link. This makes no sense to me. What's the issue at hand here? If I read this correctly you're thinking is that once confronted with an armed person willing to do you harm you are supposed to just stand there & reach for your weapon-of-choice? I'd run away, find cover, shoot said assailant, then spit on him for the hell of it. Do you find this valuable? |
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usmcfr888 |
3. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:19 PM EDT
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I cant find the article.
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Reaper37 |
4. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:19 PM EDT
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Its a good article and makes alot of sense to. I know the main times i use my sidearm is when in training. We do pratice with moving targets however are always doing so on command. I do hold paintball matches with some other people i know, that would give me a bit better response to actual targets, not the real thing, however i think a none deadly gun match would be good for all.
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usmcfr888 |
5. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:22 PM EDT
"Dude, post the article link. This makes no sense to me. What's the issue at hand here? If I read this correctly you're thinking is that once confronted with an armed person willing to do you harm you are supposed to just stand there & reach for your weapon-of-choice? I'd run away, find cover, shoot said assailant, then spit on him for the hell of it."No dude you would have to read the entire thing, its talking about how people dont practice enough with realistic weapons draws and so forth so it wont work in a real confrontation if you cant properly access your weapon. IDK if SWAT has article links let me check 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freelancer47 |
6. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:23 PM EDT
"No dude you would have to read the entire thing, its talking about how people dont practice enough with realistic weapons draws and so forth so it wont work in a real confrontation if you cant properly access your weapon. IDK if SWAT has article links let me check"Please do check, I'd love to see this. I'm not saying you're wrong (RESPECT!) I'm just saying I need further literature to understand what you're saying.... Regards, Freelancer47 Do you find this valuable? |
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Reaper37 |
7. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:26 PM EDT
I think the point of it is, persons practice shooting their targets and some get very good at it, however there isnt much practice with pulling your weapon quickly and bringing to said target. Most people wouldnt be use to having to pull their weapons quickly, and would be out of the match before even getting a chance to join (dead).
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thebayouboy |
8. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:30 PM EDT
In my opinion, small game hunting is good training for shotguns, if you can hit a duck flying, you can hit a person.
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Reaper37 |
9. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 2:34 PM EDT
"In my opinion, small game hunting is good training for shotguns, if you can hit a duck flying, you can hit a person."Ya it works, that and skiet (not sure if spelled correctly) shooting. Do you find this valuable? |
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Birdman44 |
10. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 3:02 PM EDT
It's skeet shooting, you were close, but I too aren't understanding this completely. Although I think i get the main point of it, I'de like to see the article as well.
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Freelancer47 |
11. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 3:04 PM EDT
usmcfr888; Looks like you got a fan club going. POST LINK! Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
12. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 4:16 PM EDT
"I'm just saying I need further literature to understand what you're saying....The point is that people are going to the shooting range, practicing with guns and/or ammo that, if confronted, they would not be using. It's an argument (and a very good one) for practicing with the weapon, ammo and situations you expect to use and face. What's the point of drawing a 9mm automatic from a hip holster and firing at a stationary target, if you then leave the range and lock your 9mm away, and tuck your .38 special (loaded with hollowpoints, because "anyone can wear a vest nowadays") into the back of your pants? Someone subsequently tries to attack you (say a road rage idiot) and you have a different gun, different ammo, different draw position, different holster position and a moving target. You didn't practice for any of that, so you fumble the gun and are more of a danger to yourself than the attacker! Quote from Charlie McNeese, Gunsite Arizona Instructor "You don't 'rise to the occasion', you default to your level of training. When the stress hits, you will only be half as good as your best day of recent training." Do you find this valuable? |
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Thorn_of_kabolis |
13. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 4:17 PM EDT
i understand this completely and do agree. that seems like a good article.he means that if you just train your lets say acuracy and never your weapon draw technique all that acuracy is wasted if you cant even draw your gun, or if you use different bullets to practice then use diferent ones to protect yourself then wheres your shot oing to land...... not in the same place obviously Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
14. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 6:22 PM EDT
Awerbuck is making a point that proper practice isn't IPSC holsters and low recoil hand-loads idling plinking at a static range.If you carry a Walther P99 in a pancake loaded with 9mm +P+ SXT hollowpoints, you should practice with that. Not the Beretta 92 in a serpa drop leg with extended 32 round magazines. You should practice from every conceivable bad scenario as well, rather then idle, facing static target during draw and shoot crap. Awerbuck uses an interesting setup where he has several manequins attached to wires. Several are innocents, others are hostiles. They move back and forth, and he constantly yells out encouragement and orders as you try to get a good shot. Do you find this valuable? |
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NorCal_Survivors |
15. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 6:25 PM EDT
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The term is "layman's" as in that of a "lay man" ... one with no particular training or certified knowledge. Being that you are a Marine, you are NOT a "lay man".I agree 100% with Awerbuck, BTW ... train as close to how you are likely to shoot, period. Anything else is a weird fantasy. Do you find this valuable? |
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usmcfr888 |
16. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 7:08 PM EDT
"The term is "layman's" as in that of a "lay man" ... one with no particular training or certified knowledge. Being that you are a Marine, you are NOT a "lay man".This is true, horrible error there. I ask that Freelancers comment be moved tho so that everyone can read all 3 continuances in order so they arent confused, can you do that? Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
17. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 7:10 PM EDT
"This is true, horrible error there. I ask that Freelancers comment be moved tho so that everyone can read all 3 continuances in order so they arent confused, can you do that?Just edit everything into the first two posts. Do you find this valuable? |
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usmcfr888 |
18. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 7:12 PM EDT
"usmcfr888; Looks like you got a fan club going.Well the bad news is that the August 2009 issue i used wont hit stores until Juuly 7th and therefore hasnt been updated on their website! =( sorry guys Do you find this valuable? |
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usmcfr888 |
19. RE: NO GUN, NO FUN
Jun 28 2009, 7:13 PM EDT
idk how to do that man but ill try. wanna help me out here?
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