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Thorn_of_kabolis	Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 8:49 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 8:49 AM EDT ok these are my plans so what do you think. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
PedroAsani	1. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 8:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 8:53 AM EDT First thing is to spell check and break up that Wall 'o' Text in the middle. Readability is a big thing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Thorn_of_kabolis	2. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 8:57 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 8:57 AM EDT good point i was so worried about this computer dieing that i just wrote. so give me a few and ill fix it lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	3. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 9:01 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 9:01 AM EDT Clothing in the BOB. Make sure it is non-cotton. When wet, cotton saps the heat from your body, which is not a good thing anywhere outside of a desert. Ziplocks split, flints get wet or break. If you want lighters for ease of use, take waterproof matches as a backup. Store in a different pocket to the lighters. Canned food is heavy. Swap out for dry food, power bars, maybe those slim-fast milkshakes. Powdered meal in a can. Rifle, not riffle. Don't carry anything you can't spell :) T-shirts, again, go non-cotton. You will probably need to buy special from a survival store, almost all regular t-shirts are 100% cotton. No first aid kit? Basic one will ease your suffering, advanced one might save your life. Steel storm shutters is a good idea. Looting a junk yard less so. Plenty of hidey holes for Zack. Bugging out to Montana wilderness very good. But you need to know you have enough food stocked whilst you Bug In, AND travel, AND grow the first crop. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	4. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 9:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 9:06 AM EDT Just read the bit about the war hammer. First, you plan on lugging that heavy assed thing around? Second, wooden handles snap, and that can cause a big problem if you are near it, which you would be, because you are holding the fucking thing. Some prefer the Fubar, I tend towards the Titanium Crowbar. It is less delicate than the fubar, so I don't risk any shaped bits becoming warped. It's titanium, so it's light, and doesn't spark (which can help if you are opening somewhere that might have flammable material. Say a weapons cache that everyone thinks they will stumble onto. Boxes of ammo packed in tinder dry straw. What could possibly happen?) War hammer is impractical against zombies and humans. Go witha crowbar. Sharp, light, useful. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Thorn_of_kabolis	5. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 9:32 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 9:32 AM EDT "Canned food is heavy. Swap out for dry food, power bars, maybe those slim-fast milkshakes. Powdered meal in a can. " i definatly will but until then this is the current one, and i love saghetti o's. the hammer that i want to get i watched a video of the guy testing it and im not worried about it breaking soon. it would also be used as an intimidation factor agains anyone we meet jst to get that psychological edge over survivors. i mean you never know how that will help and finaly the junkyard isnt that much of a worry to me for zeds because the land that we will be on realy has no one near it but my family and its outside of a small town but we will still be cautious Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	6. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 11:14 AM EDT Also, I prefer it when a plan has a timeline on it. Show the stuff you have right now, and then say how long you expect it will take you to aquire each part. And state what size of outbreak you are expecting. Because a Class 3 is very different from a Class 4. Class 4 you might have to contend with hundreds of thousands, possibly millions turning up on your doorstep as they fan out from the cities. They won't all arrive at once, but it is almost inevitable that they will turn up, and in large numbers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	7. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 11:18 AM EDT It could use some minor improvements, I'll PM you some holes I saw if you like. I do have one question however: What's up with the Black Powder weaponry? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	8. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 1:17 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 1:17 PM EDT "ok these are my plans so what do you think." first of all, LOSE the blackpowder rifles. they take too long to load. also there's barely any buffalo in montana. there's a few herds in glacier park and the montana side of yellowstone but that's it. I almost laughed when you said you would survive off buffalo. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	9. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 1:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 1:18 PM EDT "first of all, LOSE the blackpowder rifles. they take too long to load. also there's barely any buffalo in montana. there's a few herds in glacier park and the montana side of yellowstone but that's it. I almost laughed when you said you would survive off buffalo." really? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	10. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 1:43 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 1:43 PM EDT one of the stereotypes of montana is that we always have buffalo everywhere. NOT TRUE Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	11. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:10 PM EDT "one of the stereotypes of montana is that we always have buffalo everywhere. NOT TRUE" You don't have Buffalo everywhere in Montana? DAMN IT!!!!!!! There go my hunting options. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	12. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:26 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:26 PM EDT "You don't have Buffalo everywhere in Montana? DAMN IT!!!!!!! There go my hunting options." sarcasm Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	13. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:29 PM EDT "sarcasm" Correct. But also... Buffalo is damn good meat. You ever try Yak meat? Twice the protein, 1/6 the fat. I do love beef, but some of the esoteric meat out there is just incredible. Now I'm hungry. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	14. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:37 PM EDT "Correct. But also... Buffalo is damn good meat. You ever try Yak meat? Twice the protein, 1/6 the fat. I do love beef, but some of the esoteric meat out there is just incredible. Now I'm hungry." yes i agree buffalo meat is good (read that again). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	15. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:42 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:42 PM EDT "yes i agree buffalo meat is good (read that again)." I read again, per your instructions. Can you still hunt Buffalo in Montana? I'm sure there's large restrictions imposed by the Feds. I'd be surprised if you could. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	16. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 2:50 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 4 2009, 2:50 PM EDT "I read again, per your instructions. Can you still hunt Buffalo in Montana? I'm sure there's large restrictions imposed by the Feds. I'd be surprised if you could." no. besides where i used to live THERE WERE NO BUFFALO Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Thorn_of_kabolis	17. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 4 2009, 11:05 PM EDT i figured there were alot because my mom grew up there and all the pictures i see of them have buffalo so i just figured they were common there. and the blackpowder guns were just there to tell all that i knew we had but i dont plan on using them maybe just loaad them for some extra support if needed but probably not. and as for a timeline this would take place over like a month at the farm then going to montana using the least populated pathes possible Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RedTeam	18. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 5 2009, 3:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 3:00 AM EDT "i figured there were alot because my mom grew up there and all the pictures i see of them have buffalo so i just figured they were common there. and the blackpowder guns were just there to tell all that i knew we had but i dont plan on using them maybe just loaad them for some extra support if needed but probably not. and as for a timeline this would take place over like a month at the farm then going to montana using the least populated pathes possible " wonder if she lived in the north part Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sega_Rihdan	19. RE: Thorn of kabolis's plans Jul 5 2009, 5:27 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 5 2009, 5:27 AM EDT alright, a couple of things i saw wrong. 1. it sounds like only you and a few of your friends even know what your plan is. when this all goes down do you really think that your friends entire family is going to just up and trust you with their lives? something to think about. 2. if you want to go to your great grandpas house, then you should tell everyone in your plan to just immediately go there rather than your home. one stop is better than two. 3. if you think that cars will be able to do all the movement you are talking about then you may have major problems. where are you going to get enough gas? the f-650 super crew only gets at best 20 MPG, and that's with some major modifications. that and it seems to be the only vehicle you have considered, which brings me to my next point. 4. how do you plan to move from place to place? how many people will be with you when you move? how do you plan to move at least 30 people (according to your ever so sentimental choice of "bringing your friends families") all the way from your home to your great grandfathers home, without being stopped by either traffic, lack of gas, or zombies themselves? your truck (that you still haven't gotten) cant move that many people, and your friends moms minivan, no matter how well equipped is still a minivan, and is not built for the job. 5. when you are done raiding and want to go to your magickal farm(and yes i spell magick with a "ck" instead of just a "c") (don't ask why) you think that your group will actually be able to build all of the defenses you are talking about? do any people in your group have extensive experience with construction? it's difficult enough to build just a cinder block wall 10ft tall, but also 6ft thick? not easy, even for professional construction workers. your entire plan sounds far to hopeful. reality check. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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