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machetegreg	if only i could get one... Jul 12 2009, 11:01 PM EDT nice thought, but who can find a working TURRET or ARTILERY? I'd like a spaceship and just leave the planet but that won't happen either Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
ganksaber	1. RE: if only i could get one... Jul 14 2009, 4:32 AM EDT i know where to get artillery Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Bass_player	2. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 1:26 AM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2009, 1:26 AM EDT "i know where to get artillery" You can tell us right? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	3. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 10:01 AM EDT That kind of hardware is no good for non-military application, and having it would make you a target. Artillery isn't just a gun with larger bullets -- employing it effectively requires an entire crew with training, as well as resupply and maintenance support. ONE guy with ONE gun, and NO training, will be completely ineffective. In fact, it is more possible you will seriously hurt or kill yourself using artillery than actually hitting anything. To effectively employ arty, you need some of the following: * a crew to reload and operate the gun * A forward observer to call in targets * Radio communication with the FO * Someone who can plot targets on the map (and read a map) * Someone who can figure out the math and aim the gun at the target. Did I mention that these projectiles travel in excess of 15 miles? It isn't line of sight like a pistol. Oh, and last but not least, you will need someone who can bring you ammunition for the gun. Each shell can weight close to a hundred pounds, and there are different types of ammunition for different applications. Will you be able to tell the difference between WP, flares, HEDP, star-cluster, smoke rounds by looking at them? Weapons are not about size and loud noises. They are tools, and you need the right tool for the job. In this case, you only need a hammer, and artillery is a bulldozer. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	4. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 11:41 AM EDT well a couple months post zed, you should find abandoned army depots...trick is geting in andfinding a working gun that hasn't been sabotaged..and then finding ammo (very difficult) you reilizes most guns your thinking about eed a team of 4 well disiplined individuals? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	5. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 5:09 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2009, 5:09 PM EDT " you reilizes most guns your thinking about eed a team of 4 well disiplined individuals?" You need more than that. 4 Just to operate the gun. One for fire control, one on the other end of the radio calling in targets, one who can repair the gun, one resupplying the gun (driver), one to transport the gun (tow truck) and a warehouse full of women and kids manufacturing ordinance for the gun. Artillery is useless without support. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kyallroad	6. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 5:37 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2009, 5:37 PM EDT Absolutely right nuts. Thanks for reminding the wiki. I totally agree with you, even if you had a trained gun crew and ammo, and powder, and a forward observer, and comms, and the math to put a shell on target, and a few dozen other things.... seriously ask yourself "what do I need to shoot 15 miles away that is worth all that effort?" The biggest piece of artillery that anyone outside the military should concern themselves with is a M-60 machine gun. Even the M-2 is too much of a PITA to operate and if you do it wrong things go bad in a hurry. And I know this sounds odd on a zombie website but seriously work on the attainable and realistic instead of dreaming of the ridiculous. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	7. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 5:39 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2009, 5:51 PM EDT As far as I know, only the Navy still uses the M-60E3. I'm pretty sure the USMC cannot even maintain them anymore. Even automatic weapons are unnecessary in my opinion. The average person, just like with artillery, would not know how to effectively employ automatics, and just like with arty would not be able to supply them. For the regular old civilian, you should stick with what you know and not try to bite off more than you can chew. Military hardware has a specific purpose, and contemporary forces cannot sustain operations without well funded support. What does that mean? The gear everyone keeps salivating over is supposed to be employed in a manner that would support professionally conducted operations. For every one (1) person in the military that is a bona fide trigger-puller, there are at least two (2) people operating in a support capacity to make it happen. Without the Money, Ammo, Transportation, and Manpower (not to mention medical aid), all of the guns in the world will not turn your group into a military organism. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
spamanninen	8. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 7 2009, 8:15 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 7 2009, 8:15 PM EDT "Even automatic weapons are unnecessary in my opinion. The average person, just like with artillery, would not know how to effectively employ automatics, and just like with arty would not be able to supply them. For the regular old civilian, you should stick with what you know and not try to bite off more than you can chew. " agreed.. the only advantage to fully automatic small arms is to provide surpressive fire... what can you do with an enemy that doesnt take cover while under fire? fully auto weapons are useless in a zombie world.... however, 3 round bursts and such i could see as usefull Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	9. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 8 2009, 10:41 AM EDT Not against Zeds. For people the 3 round burst is great - sort of an automatic Mozambique Drill. For a zombie however, getting a head shot with the burst function could prove a bit more challenging. - If you hit the head, then the remaining burst is just wasteful and probably will not even hit. - If you "walk the burst" as you would a human target, you will begin at center mass, letting this recoil of the weapon walk the impacts up the body. This means the beginning of your burst is wasted. Either way, zombie killing requires precision shooting, and precision shooting is always done on semi. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	10. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 8 2009, 11:07 AM EDT unless said zombies could be killed via normal means a la rabies type... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	11. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 8 2009, 11:20 AM EDT Fair enough. Still, one shot to the pelvic can be alot more effective than three to the torso. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
USNtwidget	12. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 8 2009, 12:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 8 2009, 12:29 PM EDT "As far as I know, only the Navy still uses the M-60E3. I'm pretty sure the USMC cannot even maintain them anymore. Even automatic weapons are unnecessary in my opinion. The average person, just like with artillery, would not know how to effectively employ automatics, and just like with arty would not be able to supply them. For the regular old civilian, you should stick with what you know and not try to bite off more than you can chew. Military hardware has a specific purpose, and contemporary forces cannot sustain operations without well funded support. What does that mean? The gear everyone keeps salivating over is supposed to be employed in a manner that would support professionally conducted operations. For every one (1) person in the military that is a bona fide trigger-puller, there are at least two (2) people operating in a support capacity to make it happen. Without the Money, Ammo, Transportation, and Manpower (not to mention medical aid), all of the guns in the world will not turn your group into a military organism. " my ship switched to the M240G now, no more M60's :( also not to support those people drolling over military hardware, but if you can find some, such as a fully automactic weapon it might be nice to take along for raiders , at least you can supress those guys then again the M16A3's on our ship have selector switchs between semi and full auto, so thats the best of both worlds just remember dont master the art of fighting one war just before the next war. dont forget about the other threats out there Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	13. RE: if only i could get one... Aug 8 2009, 12:41 PM EDT "Fair enough. Still, one shot to the pelvic can be alot more effective than three to the torso. " thats nasty.... AWSOME!!! hip replacement anyone??? Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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