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ironhand
ironhand
Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 7:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 7:17 PM EDT
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John_234
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1. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 7:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 7:35 PM EDT
Great content, as always. Added a bit to it myself. Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
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2. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 7:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 7:47 PM EDT
Thanks Ironhand! That's a great page! I'll look at the video's later when I'm at home. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
3. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 7:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 7:57 PM EDT
On flechettes.

Another reason why they aren't used (at least military-wise) is because from what I hear they violate the Geneva Convention.

Amazing page Ironhand. Impressive work.

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John_234
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4. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 7:57 PM EDT
"On flechettes.

Another reason why they aren't used (at least military-wise) is because from what I hear they violate the Geneva Convention.

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I recall Germany actually tried to get shotguns banned under the Geneva convention at one point. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
5. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:05 PM EDT
"I recall Germany actually tried to get shotguns banned under the Geneva convention at one point."
Like I said I just heard it somewhere and from what I've seen they are brutal in CQC.

Banning would explain why these beasts aren't used. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
John_234
John_234
6. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:08 PM EDT
"Like I said I just heard it somewhere and from what I've seen they are brutal in CQC.

Banning would explain why these beasts aren't used. "
Well flechettes were dropped by the US Army for being inefficient, other nations, I don't know.

I'm not sure if they were successfully banned or not. I know shotguns were used legitimately in WW2 and Vietnam. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
7. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:11 PM EDT
"Well flechettes were dropped by the US Army for being inefficient, other nations, I don't know.

I'm not sure if they were successfully banned or not. I know shotguns were used legitimately in WW2 and Vietnam."
Yup. Called them Trench Guns. Apropose. Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
8. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:17 PM EDT
"Yup. Called them Trench Guns. Apropose. "
Many doughboys brought shotguns and pistols with them in WW1, in addition to the issued 1897 trench gun.

In WW2, shotguns were most often used in the Pacific front for obvious reasons, but they could be acquired if you could convince the quartermaster you actually needed one.

In vietnam, as far as I know, they just used remington 870s, Ithaca shotguns, whatever they got their hands on.
There is a rather infamous video of this one squad using a rem 870 as a bong... Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
9. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:19 PM EDT
"Well flechettes were dropped by the US Army for being inefficient, other nations, I don't know.

I'm not sure if they were successfully banned or not. I know shotguns were used legitimately in WW2 and Vietnam."
They are also legitimately used in Iraq & Afghanistan these days. Primarily for Breaching, but also they make great "warning shot" weapons. Do you find this valuable?    
John_234
John_234
10. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:22 PM EDT
"They are also legitimately used in Iraq & Afghanistan these days. Primarily for Breaching, but also they make great "warning shot" weapons."
Do you know if shotguns are restricted for combat against participants that fall under the geneva convention? Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
11. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:24 PM EDT
Ithacas hurt the wrist like you wouldn't believe! 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
John_234
John_234
12. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:29 PM EDT
"Ithacas hurt the wrist like you wouldn't believe!"
Why? Is it because of their grip angle? Do you find this valuable?    
JasonRedfield
JasonRedfield
13. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:30 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:30 PM EDT
"Do you know if shotguns are restricted for combat against participants that fall under the geneva convention?"
Not to my knowledge, although I'm hardly the expert. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
14. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:33 PM EDT
"Why? Is it because of their grip angle?"
Actually it's something in the way it's made. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
JasonRedfield
JasonRedfield
15. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:36 PM EDT
I'm guessing it's capable of managing, because from what I've heard and read, Ithacas are some of the best defensive/combat shotguns out there. Do you find this valuable?    
Carnack
Carnack
16. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:40 PM EDT
"I'm guessing it's capable of managing, because from what I've heard and read, Ithacas are some of the best defensive/combat shotguns out there."
And? AK-47s while inaccurate at distance are still great guns. But if you are looking for accuracy it's lousy. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
17. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:41 PM EDT
"Do you know if shotguns are restricted for combat against participants that fall under the geneva convention?"
I'll check. I know everyone is familiar with the whole NATO standing on weapons calibers & such. Let me research for a little bit, It might take some time to get back to you on that. I'm pretty sure it's only about Ammo-Types for most weapons, but I think shotguns are OK.

Let me check.
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
18. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 8:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 8:50 PM EDT
John_234.... I couldn't find anyting that said Shotguns were illegal. I did find a section of the Geneva Convention agreement stating that "Laser's" of a blinding type are not allowed.

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JasonRedfield
JasonRedfield
19. RE: Shotgun Ammo Comments
Jul 31 2009, 9:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 9:24 PM EDT
"And? AK-47s while inaccurate at distance are still great guns. But if you are looking for accuracy it's lousy."
I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I was simply surprised to learn that it had such a disadvantage, because I'd never heard of it before, only good things about the Ithaca.

It's all opinions and preferences anyways. Do you find this valuable?    
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